Player Discussion Casey Mittelstadt (2017, 8th) #37 - Part III

[MarkusKetterer]

Stupid Bruins signing my boy Fogarty

 

[Jacob582]

 

[Jacob582]

Travis Yost writes:

I have long argued that for offer sheets...to be effective, they need to be deployed on second- and third-tier players.

I don't believe any team is after Mittlestadt.
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Armchair GM's:

If Casey signed an offersheet for one year $6.1M, would you match or take the 1st and 3rd?

If Casy signed an offersheet for 4 years a $4.1M AAV, would you match or take the 2nd round pick?

 

[HaNotsri]

Travis Yost writes:


I don't believe any teams is after Mittlestadt.
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Armchair GM's:

If Casey signed an offersheet for one year $6.1M, would you match or take the 1st and 3rd?

If Casy signed an offersheet for 4 years a $4.1M AAV, would you match or take the 2nd round pick?

Can't see any of those happening. We will likely give him a better deal than any other team.

 

[Jim Bob]

Travis Yost writes:


I don't believe any teams is after Mittlestadt.
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Armchair GM's:

If Casey signed an offersheet for one year $6.1M, would you match or take the 1st and 3rd?

If Casy signed an offersheet for 4 years a $4.1M AAV, would you match or take the 2nd round pick?

I would take the 1st and a 3rd if he got the 1x$6.1M OS and I would match the 4x$4.1M OS.

$4.1M is likely to be a slight overpay over the next four years. And a 2nd isn't enough for me to give up Mitts.

But, $6.1M and the QO implications moving forward is a massive overpayment. So, I would take the picks.

 

[TehDoak]

I would take the 1st and a 3rd if he got the 1x$6.1M OS and I would match the 4x$4.1M OS.

$4.1M is likely to be a slight overpay over the next four years. And a 2nd isn't enough for me to give up Mitts.

But, $6.1M and the QO implications moving forward is a massive overpayment. So, I would take the picks.

6.1 is an easy walk away and take the picks.

4.1M is more than a slightly overpay. It's more than double his market rate. But, since he's young and we have the option for the 1/3 buyout later if it bombs.

But, nobody is wasting an offersheet on a project middle 6 center. There's zero chance we don't match it and it's not like it'll screw up our cap situation. All it would do is mess up the signings team cap and piss off the Sabres.

 

[Jim Bob]

6.1 is an easy walk away and take the picks.

4.1M is more than a slightly overpay. It's more than double his market rate. But, since he's young and we have the option for the 1/3 buyout later if it bombs.

But, nobody is wasting an offersheet on a project middle 6 center. There's zero chance we don't match it and it's not like it'll screw up our cap situation. All it would do is mess up the signings team cap and piss off the Sabres.

I think there is a decent chance that Mitts @ $4.1M might be OK at the back end of a 4 year deal. If he is a 45-50pt 2C by then, $4.1M isn't bad at all.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Travis Yost writes:


I don't believe any teams is after Mittlestadt.
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Armchair GM's:

If Casey signed an offersheet for one year $6.1M, would you match or take the 1st and 3rd?

If Casy signed an offersheet for 4 years a $4.1M AAV, would you match or take the 2nd round pick?

No one's OS'ing Mitts, but I'd match either, even if they're overpays. We're not hurting for cap space. We are hurting for center talent.

 

[joshjull]

No one's OS'ing Mitts, but I'd match either, even if they're overpays. We're not hurting for cap space. We are hurting for center talent.

I’d match both as well for the same reason. But no one is giving him an offersheet nor likely anyone else on our team. The cap space you mentioned being the reason why. We can match anything and can ride out an overpayment for several years. It would make the odds of success for the team making the OS pretty close of zero.

 

[hizzoner]

Depends on the team making the offer. If Anaheim then I take the picks. If Vegas I would match.

 

[Paxon]

I’d match both as well for the same reason. But no one is giving him an offersheet nor likely anyone else on our team. The cap space you mentioned being the reason why. We can match anything and can ride out an overpayment for several years. It would make the odds of success for the team making the OS pretty close of zero.

On top of that, we have the cap space and assets to make a revenge offer sheet, which is the buzzword of the week.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Taking a mid to late first for Mitts is perhaps textbook HF!

 

[1point21Gigawatts]

Travis Yost writes:


I don't believe any team is after Mittlestadt.
****

Armchair GM's:

If Casey signed an offersheet for one year $6.1M, would you match or take the 1st and 3rd?

If Casy signed an offersheet for 4 years a $4.1M AAV, would you match or take the 2nd round pick?

I would take four years at 4.1 million. I would take the 1st and the 3rd over a one year $6.1M contract.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

In that scenario it isn't a 1st and 3rd; it's a 1st,3rd and getting out of a horrific QO.

 

[Zman5778]

No one's OS'ing Mitts, but I'd match either, even if they're overpays. We're not hurting for cap space. We are hurting for center talent.

As a fan, it would physically pain me to match a $6.1M 1-year offer sheet. But this is it right here. We need talent at center and Mitts was looking like he was going to be a long-term option at 2C. Is it an overpayment? Yeah, for 1 year. But hopefully after that we would be able to sign him long-term at a more reasonable number (which is what KK is rumored to be doing if MTL lets him go to CAR).

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

The Tolvanen contract would be an ideal comparison

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

As to the offersheet of $6 for one year, to me it depends on which teams 1st it is.

 

[sabres4ever]

 

[joshjull]

In that scenario it isn't a 1st and 3rd; it's a 1st,3rd and getting out of a horrific QO.

“Horrific QO” is a bit melodramatic. There are also more things involved in this scenario than your post touches on.

-Mitts is 1 of only 2 top 6 center possibilities on the roster/in system at the moment. (Cozens is the other/I’m assuming an Eichel trade)

-We won’t be up against the cap for a few years.


Matching an offersheet like that for Mitts would be about how confident the organization was in his ability to be the top 6 center. As well as how much pressure they would want to put on Cozens if Mitts left and he was it.

Overpaying Mitts by a lot for a couple years due to his high QO is not the overwhelming negative you think it is. Its certainly not ideal but other factors come into play to determine if the organization would think its worth it.

EDIT: having said the above, I would be shocked if anyone sent an offersheet our way for Mitts or anyone else. We just have way too much cap space.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

“Horrific QO” is a bit melodramatic. There are also more things involved in this scenario than your post touches on.

-Mitts is 1 of only 2 top 6 center possibilities on the roster/in system at the moment. (Cozens is the other/I’m assuming an Eichel trade)

-We won’t be up against the cap for a few years.


Matching an offersheet like that for Mitts would be about how confident the organization was in his ability to be the top 6 center. As well as how much pressure they would want to put on Cozens if Mitts left and he was it.

Overpaying Mitts by a lot for a couple years due to his high QO is not the overwhelming negative you think it is. Its certainly not ideal but other factors come into play to determine if the organization would think its worth it.

EDIT: having said the above, I would be shocked if anyone sent an offersheet our way for Mitts or anyone else. We just have way too much cap space.

How else would you describe a 7.3M QO requirement (120% of 6.1)? A player overpaid by that amount causes resentment in the dressing room.

 

[Jim Bob]

How else would you describe a 7.3M QO requirement (120% of 6.1)? A player overpaid by that amount causes resentment in the dressing room.

I would say that a $6.1M QO is way too much for Mitts. Let alone the new 120%.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

The 120% wouldn't apply in that case. The QO is 100% of the base salary if the base salary is equal to or greater than $1,000,000.

Oh I was going by this which must no longer be in force:

• For players who are on expiring contracts that were signed after July 10, 2020:
  • The Qualifying Offer is limited to 120% of their previous contracts annual average (AAV)
  • Reference: 2020 NHL CBA extension Memorandum of Understanding (MOU)

 

[Jim Bob]

Oh I was going by this which must no longer be in force:

• For players who are on expiring contracts that were signed after July 10, 2020:
  • The Qualifying Offer is limited to 120% of their previous contracts annual average (AAV)
  • Reference: 2020 NHL CBA extension Memorandum of Understanding (MOU)

Yeah, I missed that part.

The only thing with that is how good with this long term deal be if KK could get a 20% bump every off season through a QO?

 

[TehDoak]

“Horrific QO” is a bit melodramatic. There are also more things involved in this scenario than your post touches on.

-Mitts is 1 of only 2 top 6 center possibilities on the roster/in system at the moment. (Cozens is the other/I’m assuming an Eichel trade)

-We won’t be up against the cap for a few years.


Matching an offersheet like that for Mitts would be about how confident the organization was in his ability to be the top 6 center. As well as how much pressure they would want to put on Cozens if Mitts left and he was it.

Overpaying Mitts by a lot for a couple years due to his high QO is not the overwhelming negative you think it is. Its certainly not ideal but other factors come into play to determine if the organization would think its worth it.

EDIT: having said the above, I would be shocked if anyone sent an offersheet our way for Mitts or anyone else. We just have way too much cap space.

While this is a pure "intellectual exercise" as I agree, nobody is offersheeting him, I think the value for Mittestadt (and 1st and a 3rd) is probably too good to ignore. It's not about cap space, is that someone is overpaying badly for Mittelstadt. Take the payday and find a center for a smaller price.

 

[jputt99]

Casey is probably at the crossroad of his pro career . The biggest question is who his line mates will be and how they contribute . His hands and skill set around the net will help keep him in the NHL . He will need to gain weight , strength and add attitude to play top 6 minutes at center for any NHL team .