Value of: Carrier to EDM

[TFHockey]

What would be the cost to acquire Alexandre Carrier from the Preds, say with around 50% retention?

Oilers can offer futures, and perhaps a small salary going back to even out the cap hit. That's about all they can offer. Everyone up front has a NTC it seems.

Alexandre Carrier, 28, RHD $3.75M X 3 Smallish defenseman at 5'11" and 174 lbs, mobile skater, can do a lot of things but isn't flashy. Steady. Maybe has trouble with larger forwards but doesn't cough up the puck a lot.

What would the Preds be looking for?

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[Mr Kot]

If the idea from Trotz is a rebuild if they continue to struggle, then Oilers do have a a few young trade chips. However, until the TDL, Oilers would have to include any cap going back, which would mean the cost is probably a tad too high right now.

 

[TFHockey]

If the idea from Trotz is a rebuild if they continue to struggle, then Oilers do have a a few young trade chips. However, until the TDL, Oilers would have to include any cap going back, which would mean the cost is probably a tad too high right now.

Yes, a lot of deals will be pushed to the TDL. However, from an impatient fans perspective, I would want the Oilers to make a deal now and climb the standings. Maybe give carrier time to gel with his line mates.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Carrier is a better player, but Fabbro might be the more realistic target. Even if Trotz does go into his "rebuild", he isn't blowing it up completely, and I expect Carrier would be one of the pieces they need a little extra to move. Fabbro should be affordable, and is still an upgrade for Edmonton. Heck, try to pry them both out and really fix the right side, ha ha.

I also believe Nashville is running low on retention slots, so they probably won't be in a rush to use one right now. If Stamkos doesn't figure it out, they may want one of those slots for him.

I'm assuming Nashville would prefer prospects to picks, which means they're probably going to ask for Savoie as part of the deal. I'd do that, but I'm not sure what else they would need.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I would cheerfully give Carrier away for free - without the retention side of things. Preds overuse him IMHO. And I do think Fabbro is a better player.

I don't think the level of prospects/picks that Carrier is actually worth is something the Preds need more of, however. Preds have lots of middling picks and prospects. What we need is better players present tense, and "elite" picks/prospects. Which I guess a last-place finish this season would help with. And which IMHO keeping Carrier also helps with, therefore, since he isn't very good and is one of the players we need to upgrade on! Keeping Carrier is actually beneficial for the tank.

 

[TFHockey]

I would cheerfully give Carrier away for free - without the retention side of things. Preds overuse him IMHO. And I do think Fabbro is a better player.

I don't think the level of prospects/picks that Carrier is actually worth is something the Preds need more of, however. Preds have lots of middling picks and prospects. What we need is better players present tense, and "elite" picks/prospects. Which I guess a last-place finish this season would help with. And which IMHO keeping Carrier also helps with, therefore, since he isn't very good and is one of the players we need to upgrade on! Keeping Carrier is actually beneficial for the tank.

Man I can't argue with that logic!

Hell I'd take Fabbro of you hands as well. I think the Oilers need help all along their right side. With Bouchard in the top pairing and being, shall we say, an adventure in this own zone, the Oilers need better players on the right side the rest of the time Bouch isn't on the ice.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Fabbro and Carrier would be nice fits for the Oil in different ways. Fabbro won't cost anywhere near as much and at 50% + Stecher or Dermott going back the other way he fits right now. Would just depend on what Nashville expects to make that happen.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Fabbro and Carrier would be nice fits for the Oil in different ways. Fabbro won't cost anywhere near as much and at 50% + Stecher or Dermott going back the other way he fits right now. Would just depend on what Nashville expects to make that happen.

Fabbro at 50% (1.5M cap hit) for Dermott and futures could be done right now with the cap space we have. Carrier at 50% (1.875M) is barely doable capwise if Dermott is in the package. Like I said earlier, I doubt Trotz is in a rush to use a retention spot on either of these guys, but if he is, there's a way to do one of the deals now. Then we can trade for the other one closer to the deadline, when we should have more space.

 

[TFHockey]

Fabbro and Carrier would be nice fits for the Oil in different ways. Fabbro won't cost anywhere near as much and at 50% + Stecher or Dermott going back the other way he fits right now. Would just depend on what Nashville expects to make that happen.

I wonder if Bowman could wrangle a trade like that.. Fabbro and Carrier from Nashville with some kind of retention.

Stecher and Dermott would probably be asked for going back the other way which I could live with, along with a real good pick or a really good prospect as stated above.

Edit: You think we can get Sissons as well? Might help our brutal PK.

 

[Cup or Bust]

Those would probably be good trade targets as the Oilers head towards the deadline assuming Nashville's season continues on it's current path. I don't think Nashville would be willing to make deals like that right now and tell their players and ownership they are already throwing in the towel on the season 14 games in after making big moves in the offseason. I wish Edmonton could pull off a deal like that early in the season though.

 

[Jumptheshark]

It is funny how often we have threads Carrier to Edmonton. Comparing the cost to the oilers is funny

 

[McJedi]

Fabbro for Savoie is something Nashville should consider. Or maybe Nashville values Sam O'Reilly higher.

Nashville's pick of one or the other for Fabbro.... something Nashville at least considers.

 

[TFHockey]

Fabbro for Savoie is something Nashville should consider. Or maybe Nashville values Sam O'Reilly higher.

Nashville's pick of one or the other for Fabbro.... something Nashville at least considers.

That's high for rental, which I assume Fabbro will be as a pending UFA. But certainly the Oilers have to discuss good futures and some salary has to go back, just the reality of living in a cap era.

 

[McJedi]

That's high for rental, which I assume Fabbro will be as a pending UFA. But certainly the Oilers have to discuss good futures and some salary has to go back, just the reality of living in a cap era.

That's not really high for a rental RHD. Those tend to cost the equivalent of a lottery protected 1st round pick if retained at 50%. O'Reilly was just the last pick of round 1 of a so-so NHL draft. That's easily within reason for a rental RHD. In fact, Nashville may ask for a sweetener on top of it.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Fabbro for Savoie is something Nashville should consider. Or maybe Nashville values Sam O'Reilly higher.

Nashville's pick of one or the other for Fabbro.... something Nashville at least considers.

It's definitely not going to cost that much. Fabbro is a healthy scratch many nights and not playing much when he is. We're looking at a 2nd or 3rd + prospect, nothing like Savoie/SOR.

 

[McJedi]

It's definitely not going to cost that much. Fabbro is a healthy scratch many nights and not playing much when he is. We're looking at a 2nd or 3rd + prospect, nothing like Savoie/SOR.

If RHD were in any sort of abundance, I'd agree with you, but we've watched several recent deadlines come and go and those guys (RHD rentals) get moved for more than they should or we think they should.

If you disagree. Name me 4-5 other RHDs that will be available for 3rd round pick and low level prospect. I think you'll find other fan bases with those guys you name will instantly pounce on you for being off the mark on value.

I don't think Fabbro is much of a player either. But was Chiarot (LHD)? no. Was Savard? No. The Avs got Kadri for Berrie. Tanev got a 2nd, a 3rd and a pretty good prospect from Calgary's GM that sucks at trading. Rasmus Sandin got a 1st. Ekholm netted two 1sts. Manson netted two 2nds. Lindholm netted a bunch (1st and 2nd + prospect).

I think the GMs are overpaying too... but they keep doing it. There is a supply vs demand thing here that must be the problem.

So while we probably see eye to eye on what value should be... We don't see eye to eye on what value ends up being in most cases. There would be others trying to trade for Fabbro as well and that will also drive up the price to more than you and I think it should be.

 

[Soundgarden]

It's definitely not going to cost that much. Fabbro is a healthy scratch many nights and not playing much when he is. We're looking at a 2nd or 3rd + prospect, nothing like Savoie/SOR.

He's only a scratch due to coaching incompetence, he's a no.4 on his worst days.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Whoever gets Fabbro will probably be slightly surprised by how decent/serviceable he is. I'm not at all sure why the Preds kept him on another year, given the organization clearly has no use for him. He's a better player than you'd think just looking at how the Preds have been treating him the last few seasons. But I don't think he'll command any meaningful trade value. More likely he'll just be waived, or the team will let him walk as a UFA in the summer?

 

[Three On Zero]

It's definitely not going to cost that much. Fabbro is a healthy scratch many nights and not playing much when he is. We're looking at a 2nd or 3rd + prospect, nothing like Savoie/SOR.

It’s going to be a sellers market with so many teams looking to bolster their defence. We are probably going to see players like Fabbro go for more than they are worth.

 

[VeteranPresence]

If RHD were in any sort of abundance, I'd agree with you, but we've watched several recent deadlines come and go and those guys (RHD rentals) get moved for more than they should or we think they should.

If you disagree. Name me 4-5 other RHDs that will be available for 3rd round pick and low level prospect. I think you'll find other fan bases with those guys you name will instantly pounce on you for being off the mark on value.

None of the guys who you're thinking of were being treated like a 7th D at the time of them being traded. But for actual examples...

-Colin Miller for a 4th (15:55, 8 points in 41 games)
-Andrew Peeke for a 3rd (15:37, 8 points in 23 games)
-Joel Edmundson for a 3rd and 5th (16:26, 6 points in 44 games)

Even Tanev, the best defensive defender available, only went for a 2nd, prospect, and conditional 3rd (plus a 4th for retention). Fabbro is at 0 points in 6 GP and 13:06 per game, so even at the most generous valuation you're not approaching 1st round pick/recent 1st rounder. The Preds can ask for the moon but are doing absolutely nothing to position his value that way.

 

[TFHockey]

None of the guys who you're thinking of were being treated like a 7th D at the time of them being traded. But for actual examples...

-Colin Miller for a 4th (15:55, 8 points in 41 games)
-Andrew Peeke for a 3rd (15:37, 8 points in 23 games)
-Joel Edmundson for a 3rd and 5th (16:26, 6 points in 44 games)

Even Tanev, the best defensive defender available, only went for a 2nd, prospect, and conditional 3rd (plus a 4th for retention). Fabbro is at 0 points in 6 GP and 13:06 per game, so even at the most generous valuation you're not approaching 1st round pick/recent 1st rounder. The Preds can ask for the moon but are doing absolutely nothing to position his value that way.

Well, both carrier and fabbro are upgrades on what the Oilers have on the right side.

I don't see massive overpayments for these players, but I expect the Oilers to give something to get something, especially with some kind of retention. Which they have to ask for.

 

[Soundgarden]

Even Tanev, the best defensive defender available, only went for a 2nd, prospect, and conditional 3rd (plus a 4th for retention). Fabbro is at 0 points in 6 GP and 13:06 per game, so even at the most generous valuation you're not approaching 1st round pick/recent 1st rounder. The Preds can ask for the moon but are doing absolutely nothing to position his value that way.

And if it weren't for Brunette he'd probably still be on the top pairing with Josi. Brunette has screwed a lot with Fabbro, Tomasino and Parssinen. I doubt Tomasino plays last night if Sissons and Novak are out.

 

[Fjordy]

That's not really high for a rental RHD. Those tend to cost the equivalent of a lottery protected 1st round pick if retained at 50%. O'Reilly was just the last pick of round 1 of a so-so NHL draft. That's easily within reason for a rental RHD. In fact, Nashville may ask for a sweetener on top of it.

I'd be surprised if we got 1st for Jokiharju, but I'd trade him for Fabbro and even add if needed.

 

[VeteranPresence]

And if it weren't for Brunette he'd probably still be on the top pairing with Josi. Brunette has screwed a lot with Fabbro, Tomasino and Parssinen. I doubt Tomasino plays last night if Sissons and Novak are out.

Possibly, but he's your coach until at least the deadline unless his boss chooses otherwise. If Trotz is not willing to make a change there- and his comments about rebuilding seem to suggest he'd rather tinker with the roster first- then Fabbro is worth how he's performing today, which is nowhere near the level of a top four defenseman. Teams aren't going to give up more assets than they have to just to be nice.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Carrier is a better player, but Fabbro might be the more realistic target. Even if Trotz does go into his "rebuild", he isn't blowing it up completely, and I expect Carrier would be one of the pieces they need a little extra to move. Fabbro should be affordable, and is still an upgrade for Edmonton. Heck, try to pry them both out and really fix the right side, ha ha.

I also believe Nashville is running low on retention slots, so they probably won't be in a rush to use one right now. If Stamkos doesn't figure it out, they may want one of those slots for him.

I'm assuming Nashville would prefer prospects to picks, which means they're probably going to ask for Savoie as part of the deal. I'd do that, but I'm not sure what else they would need.

Lol Bowman I would have to be fired trading savoie for either of those players.