GDT: Carolina @ Tampa Bay 8 PM EDT USA

[Big Daddy Cane]

Seattle can still take a low-dollar Morgan Geekie.

Alternate theory: Anaheim didn't want to trade Hakanpaa for whatever the market had to offer. He was playing real minutes for the Ducks and could have been re-signed. In lieu of keeping Fleury, a player that ultimately got displaced by Bean's emergence, and trading him for assets in the Summer, directly or indirectly (Seattle takes him in lieu of another player), they took the hit on depth in the short-term and moved him out.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

It’s a lot easier to lose Skjei if the loss of his cap allows the Canes to retain Hamilton. I think they can survive the loss of Hamilton if they keep Skjei and Bean. What they can’t do, in my opinion, is lose both Skjei and Hamilton and still expect to be a contending team next year.

Unless, of course, they have some tricks up their trade deadline sleeve. That's always a possibility. I still think that Seattle taking Skjei in the ED will lead to Hamilton's re-signing the day after. I could be wrong, of course.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Seattle can still take a low-dollar Morgan Geekie.

Or Steven Lorentz. Neither of those guys, however, are nearly as appealing if Francis's goals are for the Kraken to be a playoff club in the first year, unless Francis somehow thinks that Geekie can be a top-6er. Bean or Skjei, however, would be appealing in that mindset.

 

[spockBokk]

Seattle can still take a low-dollar Morgan Geekie.

Alternate theory: Anaheim didn't want to trade Hakanpaa for whatever the market had to offer. He was playing real minutes for the Ducks and could have been re-signed. In lieu of keeping Fleury, a player that ultimately got displaced by Bean's emergence, and trading him for assets in the Summer, directly or indirectly (Seattle takes him in lieu of another player), they took the hit on depth in the short-term and moved him out.

I think I remember reading somewhere, maybe the Anaheim Athletic writer, that the Ducks did try to re-up Hakanpaa before putting him on the market and didn’t get anywhere, thus the trade.

 

[spockBokk]

Or Steven Lorentz. Neither of those guys, however, are nearly as appealing if Francis's goals are for the Kraken to be a playoff club in the first year, unless Francis somehow thinks that Geekie can be a top-6er. Bean or Skjei, however, would be appealing in that mindset.

Or Niederreiter or Foegele.

I wouldn’t be that surprised if they leave either one of them unprotected. I could also see Fast being the choice if unprotected, but I think they’d want to keep Fast, just due to his contract.

Losing Niederreiter hurts, but losing his $5M cap hit helps too. Foegele took the team to arbitration last year, he probably is looking at $3M+ on his next deal. I’m not sure I’d pay that with guys like Lorentz and Geekie around.

To me, Gardiner is getting bought out.

 

[Stickpucker]

I'm not his biggest fan but in hindsight, Hall would've been a good not very expensive add at the TDL that would've helped with injuries a lot.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Or Niederreiter or Foegele.

I wouldn’t be that surprised if they leave either one of them unprotected. I could also see Fast being the choice if unprotected, but I think they’d want to keep Fast, just due to his contract.

Nino and Foegele are both going to be protected. Similar to Trocheck, both have considerable value either in a trade or in an own-rental if you can't agree to an extension with them.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I'm not his biggest fan but in hindsight, Hall would've been a good not very expensive add at the TDL that would've helped with injuries a lot.

I would've loved Taylor Hall, and according to deadline rumors from some sources, Carolina wanted Hall, as well. Take this with a grain of salt, but from what I've heard privately from some people in the organization, Carolina actually offered a 1st + an unnamed top 10 forward prospect. Hall, however, had a NMC and was only willing to waive for Boston. It is what it is, unfortunately.

 

[LakeLivin]

My statement wasn't a narrative at all. I'm saying that removing a potential low-dollar contract for Francis to take is a net-positive for this offseason, especially if the FO also protects the other major low-dollar asset in the organization in Jake Bean. UFAs like Hakanpaa don't have any value to Francis in the Expansion Draft, or at least not nearly as much value as locked-in contracts and RFAs do.

My post was only tangentially related to yours, if it was more direct I'd have quoted you.

Frankly, as Bean continued to progress and Skjei has played well down the stretch, it seems unlikely Fleury would be Seattle's pick unless the Canes found a way to protect 4 D. Which isn't possible as it exposes Trocheck.

Given the circumstances, I'm fine moving Fleury for Hakanpaa. I think Fleury would be here next year if Francis were picking among Fleury and one of Bean/Skjei.

Agreed.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I would've loved Taylor Hall, and according to deadline rumors from some sources, Carolina wanted Hall, as well. Take this with a grain of salt, but from what I've heard privately from some people in the organization, Carolina actually offered a 1st + an unnamed top 10 forward prospect. Hall, however, had a NMC and was only willing to waive for Boston. It is what it is, unfortunately.

that would have been gross. Glad he didnt waive to come here. We seem to want overpay on these rental deals something fierce.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

that would have been gross. Glad he didnt waive to come here. We seem to want overpay on these rental deals something fierce.

Absolute nonsense. Hall would've been amazing here and a probable extension candidate.

 

[hockeynjune]

that would have been gross. Glad he didnt waive to come here. We seem to want overpay on these rental deals something fierce.

I sure do hope we make him regret that decision

 

[Chrispy]

Or Niederreiter or Foegele.

I wouldn’t be that surprised if they leave either one of them unprotected. I could also see Fast being the choice if unprotected, but I think they’d want to keep Fast, just due to his contract.

Losing Niederreiter hurts, but losing his $5M cap hit helps too. Foegele took the team to arbitration last year, he probably is looking at $3M+ on his next deal. I’m not sure I’d pay that with guys like Lorentz and Geekie around.

To me, Gardiner is getting bought out.

7 forwards protected. Necas still exempt.

Aho, TT, Svech, Staal (NMC, but we would protect anyway), Trocheck make 5.

Given who is left and not a pending UFA, Nino and Foegele make the most sense to me to protect. That leaves Fast (2 more years under contract), Geekie (RFA coming off his ELC), and Lorentz (1 more year under contract then RFA) as options at forward.

More likely, the pick is whoever isn't protected among Skjei or Bean.

I think we are seeing how much Nino is missed on the forecheck this series. If Nino is gone, he needs to be replaced or Rod needs to change up the dump and chase / cycle strategy.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Absolute nonsense. Hall would've been amazing here and a probable extension candidate.

no. just no. He was having a bad season, really bad. You dont give up a 1st rounder and a top 10 forward prospect in one of the top 5 prospect pools for a guy who is struggling, mightily. If we had taken the same flyer type as Boston, sure. a 2nd rounder and Geekie for Hall. Fine. May be given them a prospect over Geekie, like Puistola, to make it more worth while but no way Hall was worth a 1st +.

Even if this 'report' is believable this FO has some serious issues with overpaying for rentals. The NJ trade was bad enough but a 1st and top 10 prospect for Hall, good lord.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

What you need is a tattoo.

So... you wouldn't happen to be a sailor or a criminal?

Both, technically. I’m a pirate.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

no. just no. He was having a bad season, really bad. You dont give up a 1st rounder and a top 10 forward prospect in one of the top 5 prospect pools for a guy who is struggling, mightily. If we had taken the same flyer type as Boston, sure. a 2nd rounder and Geekie for Hall. Fine. May be given them a prospect over Geekie, like Puistola, to make it more worth while but no way Hall was worth a 1st +.

Even if this 'report' is believable this FO has some serious issues with overpaying for rentals. The NJ trade was bad enough but a 1st and top 10 prospect for Hall, good lord.

You are the absolute king of glass-half-empty takes sometimes. The Vatanen deal was market-value for a rental RHD. It didn't entirely work out, though he did help us sweep the Rangers in the play-ins. The Canes chose to replace Vatanen's freed cap space with Jesper Fast, so it is what it is. Boston's deal for Hall, OTOH, was a severe underpay, by all measures. Sure, Hall had a bad year before he rebounded in Boston; he was, however, still at over 0.5 PPG, and had a long track record of top-6 (and normally top-line) production. The reason for the underpay, however, makes all the sense in the world, because Buffalo stupidly gave Hall a NMC. He essentially chose his own destination.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

You are the absolute king of glass-half-empty takes sometimes. The Vatanen deal was market-value for a rental RHD. It didn't entirely work out, though he did help us sweep the Rangers in the play-ins. The Canes chose to replace Vatanen's freed cap space with Jesper Fast, so it is what it is. Boston's deal for Hall, OTOH, was a severe underpay, by all measures. Sure, Hall had a bad year before he rebounded in Boston; he was, however, still at over 0.5 PPG, and had a long track record of top-6 (and normally top-line) production. The reason for the underpay, however, makes all the sense in the world, because Buffalo stupidly gave Hall a NMC. He essentially chose his own destination.

Demelo went for a 3rd rounder so, that wasnt the market for a rental RHD. Demelo is better and was non-injured too. NJ made us overpay because we were down two righties and DW let them take us to the cleaners.

Hall to Boston was cheap but he wasnt worth a 1st +. 1st in the lower 20s. I could stomach that slight overpay but + a top 10 prospect, pass. Hall was half effort all season and really unknown as far as what he would bring to the table here. We get top 15 LW or do we get the same guy from NJ, ARZ, and Boston. Not worth a top flight rental price.

 

[bleedgreen]

You are the absolute king of glass-half-empty takes sometimes. The Vatanen deal was market-value for a rental RHD. It didn't entirely work out, though he did help us sweep the Rangers in the play-ins. The Canes chose to replace Vatanen's freed cap space with Jesper Fast, so it is what it is. Boston's deal for Hall, OTOH, was a severe underpay, by all measures. Sure, Hall had a bad year before he rebounded in Boston; he was, however, still at over 0.5 PPG, and had a long track record of top-6 (and normally top-line) production. The reason for the underpay, however, makes all the sense in the world, because Buffalo stupidly gave Hall a NMC. He essentially chose his own destination.

We overpaid for Vatanen. He was known to be hurt, and it was legitimately possible he wouldnt have played at all. A second would’ve been fine, but really risky considering the injury. . A second plus our top forward prospect leading the team in scoring for Charlotte? Nope. It doesn’t matter that he would probably not play for Rod. Trade him for something more permanent than that.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

We overpaid for Vatanen. He was known to be hurt, and it was legitimately possible he wouldnt have played at all. A second would’ve been fine, but really risky considering the injury. . A second plus our top forward prospect leading the team in scoring for Charlotte? Nope. It doesn’t matter that he would probably not play for Rod. Trade him for something more permanent than that.

the pick was a conditional 3rd, kuok, and a Cleasson. Which I still think is an overpay for an injured great defender, needless to say for an injured Vatanen.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

We overpaid for Vatanen. He was known to be hurt, and it was legitimately possible he wouldnt have played at all. A second would’ve been fine, but really risky considering the injury. . A second plus our top forward prospect leading the team in scoring for Charlotte? Nope. It doesn’t matter that he would probably not play for Rod. Trade him for something more permanent than that.

Agreed. Kuokkanen actually hit .5 PPG on the nose this year. We gave up an NHLer for what amounted to 8 games of Vatanen.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I don't particularly like Taylor Hall, but that is exactly the kind of addition the Canes need to make the jump to Tampa/Colorado level contention status. Adding another top-6 winger dramatically restructures our lineup in terms of moving guys like McGinn and Foegele down a spot, which in turn makes them far more effective in the matchup game. It also would look quite different for us when we, say, lose both Nino and Foegele in a playoff series are are sticking guys in our top-6 who probably ought to be in the press box.

It's easy to criticize rentals as short-sighted, but there are zero Stanley Cup banners in PNC Arena without them.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Wasn't some of the hesitation due to the financial aspect at the time? No one knew then that fans would return earlier than expected and full buildings in time for the playoffs. Therefore, GM/Owners were reluctant to spend. TD even stated on a podcast that he didn't expect full buildings until the fall. I've wondered if that meant DW was on a very tight budget at the time and had little wiggle room for wheeling and dealing.

 

[MinJaBen]

Nino and Foegele are both going to be protected. Similar to Trocheck, both have considerable value either in a trade or in an own-rental if you can't agree to an extension with them.

I could see Nino being left exposed as part of a trade to take Gardiner.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

You are the absolute king of glass-half-empty takes sometimes.

In fairness. You are the absolute king of glass-99.999%-full takes.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

i am the king of "who has been drinking from my glass" takes