Proposal: Carolina - Oilers
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Jumptheshark
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I’m curious. If Faulk is now overrated because of a disappointing ~quarter-season, what do you make of RNH and his start offensively? Is it fair to label him as an average to above-average 3C at this point?
Johnnybegood13
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LOL, RNH doesn't come close to getting Faulk. dispite the bad start he drives the offence from the backend and they don't have anyone else ready to take that role.
Canes might counter offer Slavin for RNH or Hanifin for Draisaitl
Canes might counter offer Slavin for RNH or Hanifin for Draisaitl
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CandyCanes
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Yeah Faulk is having some struggles, a lot of us think he's been fighting some kinda injury. But just because he's going through his first slump of his career, doesn't mean we are ready to sell low. That'd be terrible asset management. RNH + won't do it.
This has been hashed and rehashed so many times, I don't think the corned beef that originally made up this hash could be found with a microscope.
1.) The Canes don't have an extra top-4 RHD to spare, if we were going to move a defenseman to a team explicitly and only looking for a RHD, it would probably be the ambidextrous Slavin (because we play him on the LH-side) and the price would be high...like "paying for a top-pair LHD" high. (Note that Slavin's actually ambidextrous...this isn't a case of playing a guy on his off-hand side.) Alternately, it would be Pesce, if someone else stepped up and looked like a top-pair LHD, allowing Slavin to play on the 2nd-pair RH-side.
2.) Faulk has been off to a poor start but that doesn't change that RNH really isn't a fix for the Canes for anything; he is, at-best, a comparable to Rask, a cusp-between-1&2C. If we were to move Faulk, it has to be for a guy that unambiguously pushes Staal out of the top-6 down to more of a 2a/b situation and justifies making Lindholm a W F/T. That is, any Faulk conversation, necessarily starts with Draisaitl because the only other guy that fits that parameter, you're definitely not moving. As long as Drai remains off the table, the Oilers don't have the means or willingness to acquire Faulk.
1.) The Canes don't have an extra top-4 RHD to spare, if we were going to move a defenseman to a team explicitly and only looking for a RHD, it would probably be the ambidextrous Slavin (because we play him on the LH-side) and the price would be high...like "paying for a top-pair LHD" high. (Note that Slavin's actually ambidextrous...this isn't a case of playing a guy on his off-hand side.) Alternately, it would be Pesce, if someone else stepped up and looked like a top-pair LHD, allowing Slavin to play on the 2nd-pair RH-side.
2.) Faulk has been off to a poor start but that doesn't change that RNH really isn't a fix for the Canes for anything; he is, at-best, a comparable to Rask, a cusp-between-1&2C. If we were to move Faulk, it has to be for a guy that unambiguously pushes Staal out of the top-6 down to more of a 2a/b situation and justifies making Lindholm a W F/T. That is, any Faulk conversation, necessarily starts with Draisaitl because the only other guy that fits that parameter, you're definitely not moving. As long as Drai remains off the table, the Oilers don't have the means or willingness to acquire Faulk.
Carolina would pass. Faulk is having a rough start, but he's still too important to their blueline.
Also, just about everything you said that brought you to the opinion that Faulk is overrated could be applied to RNH as well. Pace for 34 points, -4, only 14 hits, only 5 blocked shots, 45% on faceoffs.
I like RNH. I know he's a capable 50-60 point center. He's not playing as well as he usually does. However, like Faulk, it makes no sense to going selling low on him.
You do not want to hear the answer to that question.
Also, just about everything you said that brought you to the opinion that Faulk is overrated could be applied to RNH as well. Pace for 34 points, -4, only 14 hits, only 5 blocked shots, 45% on faceoffs.
I like RNH. I know he's a capable 50-60 point center. He's not playing as well as he usually does. However, like Faulk, it makes no sense to going selling low on him.
You do not want to hear the answer to that question.
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RNH isn't a significant upgrade to Victor Rask. Not enough to justify giving up Faulk.
I like RNH and would be happy to have him on the Canes but the price I'd pay at this point is closer to Haydn Fleury or Jake Bean plus a 2nd.
I like RNH and would be happy to have him on the Canes but the price I'd pay at this point is closer to Haydn Fleury or Jake Bean plus a 2nd.
Bjornar Moxnes
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Slavin? Hell no, Slavin is one of the best Dman in the league at suppressing shots, driving possession, and eliminating chances. He's such an underrated D.
tarheelhockey
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At this point I wouldn't consider any of Faulk, Slavin, Hanifin to be a "spare" defenseman. That's the core of our blueline for the next decade, by design. Trading one of them would require a MAJOR return that justifies having to go out and somehow find another top-pairing defenseman. MAJOR meaning someone with potential to be a top-10 scorer in the league. Otherwise we're in a position where it's easier to draft and trade our way to a good forward than to try and fix the mess it would make if we moved one of those Big 3 defensemen.
So look lower on the depth chart for trade targets. Pesce is a good young RHD who is on his ELC and will have a long career. Hainsey is an OK veteran option for a team that needs an LHD and some leadership. Those are the guys are are really available short of a franchise-shaking trade.
So look lower on the depth chart for trade targets. Pesce is a good young RHD who is on his ELC and will have a long career. Hainsey is an OK veteran option for a team that needs an LHD and some leadership. Those are the guys are are really available short of a franchise-shaking trade.
bleedgreen
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Or they could move one of the prospects in Bean, Fleury, Carrick etc...
They're not trading Hanifin or Slavin. I don't think they're going to trade Faulk for anything short of overpayment, but I would consider it for the right forward. RNH probably isn't the one. The canes have Jstaal and Rask as their top 2 so I don't know what center they would target that would fit in the current plan. More likely a scoring winger.
They're not trading Hanifin or Slavin. I don't think they're going to trade Faulk for anything short of overpayment, but I would consider it for the right forward. RNH probably isn't the one. The canes have Jstaal and Rask as their top 2 so I don't know what center they would target that would fit in the current plan. More likely a scoring winger.
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deals like this, of very young big stars hardly ever happen
but Jones<>Johansen made them seem feasible
that deal had extreme circumstances - Johansen's contract and relationship with CBJ brass, and Nashville's obscene depth on D
I don't see Ron Francis letting either Faulk or Hanifan get way,
one is their only all-star, the other their greatest future star.
EO's only asset that could make him think twice is obviously not available now nor maybe ever
but Jones<>Johansen made them seem feasible
that deal had extreme circumstances - Johansen's contract and relationship with CBJ brass, and Nashville's obscene depth on D
I don't see Ron Francis letting either Faulk or Hanifan get way,
one is their only all-star, the other their greatest future star.
EO's only asset that could make him think twice is obviously not available now nor maybe ever
Like a few others have said, we are probably not looking to grab another center that slots low first line to high second line in our line up...we already have two or maybe three of those between Staal, Rask, Teravainen, Aho and maybe Lindholm. We probably would rather get a winger at this point. I like RNH. But he is not performing well enough to offset the intrinsic value difference between a tweener center and a first pairing, RHD. So, I'd pass on this trade.
If I were looking to trade Faulk to the Oilers, I'd look to see either Draisaitl or Puljujarvi coming back with some throw ins to balance value.
If I were looking to trade Faulk to the Oilers, I'd look to see either Draisaitl or Puljujarvi coming back with some throw ins to balance value.
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tarheelhockey
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Yes, them too. Taking a small risk on Bean or Fleury becoming a top-4 guy is a more cost-effective approach and a more productive conversation to have with Canes fans at the moment. Them, or Pesce who could very well be the best of the three.
ManofSteel55
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Rask's play this year makes Nuge unnecessary for the Canes I would think. To me it looks like they need more help on their wings, but there is no way they would move a Faulk level defenseman to fix that problem.
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thatd make this canes fan think long and hard about it
thats the kind of trade where if you add up the little "value" bars next to the players in the nhl games, rnh+nurse has more value
but since wed be getting rid of our best rhd in order to add to a blatant position of strength (lhd), it probably isnt the best fit for the canes
value is there though
no chance the Canes make that deal. Like it or not, RNH's value is at all time low. He's not performing like a 6 million dollar centre. I do believe there is another level to his game, but he hasn't shown it consistently over the last year or 2. I don't know if he'll ever show it in Edmonton, but that means he would have to traded when his value is low, which doesn't make much sense for the Oilers. I do believe he could be a steal for whoever pulls the trigger on a deal to acquire him. The skill, vision, and talent is all there. He seems like a good kid, with a good attitude. My only question about RNH is if he has the drive or not.
LondonKendrick
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Hey Carolina how would like to get rid of that crummy sport car for all the stuff I've hoarded over the years in my garage?
I cringe every time I see you or EdmontonExpress start a trade thread.
You try to devalue Faulk but fail to mention the brutal season RNH has had so far
Internazionale
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I think you would be leaning toward a yes from the Canes. Nurse is very enticing.
