GDT: Carolina@Minnesota|"What's in a Name?"

[Lazyking]

I don't pin this one on him, I thought he was solid. Or at least better than I expected him to be. I think once again it's our offense. We're not going to win scoring 1 goal a game, and that's especially true with Peters in net now.

Picking up the scoring could be significantly more difficult if the only one who has been scoring up to this point is out with a wrist injury.


That being said, we have Murphy and Faulk. This makes me happy.

Peters reaction time and rebound control are still horrid. For the Canes to win with him in net, the Defense will have to clear out the slot well like they've done for the most part and offense needs to step up.

 

[rocky7]

IMO unless Khudobin gets back and fast, and stands on his head they are done AGAIN.

also IMO, Muller better bring HIS A game or they are done AGAIN. IMO of course.

 

[Wolfpuck]

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After 4+ seasons of denial, I've finally accepted it. There is no escape.

 

[rocky7]

Peters reaction time and rebound control are still horrid. For the Canes to win with him in net, the Defense will have to clear out the slot well like they've done for the most part and offense needs to step up.

not happening IMO. another "safe" pick though.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

10 games into the season, Canes still technically in a playoff spot...

Must. Predict. High. Draft. Pick.

 

[Wolfpuck]

10 games into the season, Canes still technically in a playoff spot...

Must. Predict. High. Draft. Pick.

Hell, we were in a playoff spot over twice as long last season and still got the #5 pick

 

[rocky7]

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After 4+ seasons of denial, I've finally accepted it. There is no escape.

losers/mediocrity=denial=excuses=acceptance. good for you. now perhaps something positive can take place with the Carolina Hurricanes. there was a collective, albeit short, sense of optimism this year for some. that has to have been worth something. hey, Ward goes down=perfect excuse for Muller...............on and on it goes in reality full circle.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yep, we were. And we lost Ward for a hell of a lot longer. I'm not too panicked about the news, to be honest.

The next two games were going to be a struggle, regardless of who was in net. After those games, Anton should be close to recovery if not back in net completely.

Then, if Anton's the goaltender many hope he is, he can hold down the fort until Ward's healthy, which wouldn't be more than 5-6 games after Anton's return anyway.

It's 3-4 weeks, not 3-4 months. And it's a full season, not the half season of last year. There's some concern, obviously, but full blown panic mode isn't there yet.

 

[Wolfpuck]

Yep, we were. And we lost Ward for a hell of a lot longer. I'm not too panicked about the news, to be honest.

The next two games were going to be a struggle, regardless of who was in net. After those games, Anton should be close to recovery if not back in net completely.

Then, if Anton's the goaltender many hope he is, he can hold down the fort until Ward's healthy, which wouldn't be more than 5-6 games after Anton's return anyway.

It's 3-4 weeks, not 3-4 months. And it's a full season, not the half season of last year. There's some concern, obviously, but full blown panic mode isn't there yet.

No panic, just eerie serenity and acceptance

 

[RaskY]

Yo, what happened to Skinner tonight? Saw he only played 9 minutes. Injury?

 

[rocky7]

well, one down and two to go until the freefall in the Metro. and, keep telling yourselves that it will be 3-4 wks., as if it matters anyhow. until the real issues are confronted it will be like this year after year. nice to watch hockey though hey? eventually most fans WILL get fed up and spend their money elsewhere as JR makes arrogant excuses and Muller chuckles. if this game plan continues, I give it until maybe Christmas to February when the top players tune Muller out. the grinders of course will remain giddy at their win-fall.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I might have to take a break from posting for a while. This is going to be a **** show.

 

[Lazyking]

Yo, what happened to Skinner tonight? Saw he only played 9 minutes. Injury?

Looked like a wrist problem. I don't think it's serious.

 

[RaskY]

Looked like a wrist problem. I don't think it's serious.

Thanks. Hopefully it ain't too serious. I've really liked what I've seen from Skinner this season. Great offensive instincts, he's so quick with his movements, and was producing too.

Reminds me of last season, although I didn't see any of the games, looking at his numbers he got off to a sick start last season too before going down with injury, and then couldn't find that offense again when he came back. Hopefully history don't repeat itself.

 

[Ole Gil]

and, keep telling yourselves that it will be 3-4 wks.,

Dr. Rocky says 4-6 months, the team trainers says 3-4 wks. Using the two evenly weighted opinions, I think we can estimate 2-3 months pretty safely.

A more civil response may be: Rocky, why do you think you are more informed in regards to Cam's injury than the Hurricanes training staff? Particularly when you don't know what the injury is, and have already made a crazy speculative guess of 4-6 months earlier that has shown to be not even in the ballpark?

 

[rocky7]

Dr. Rocky says 4-6 months, the team trainers says 3-4 wks. Using the two evenly weighted opinions, I think we can estimate 2-3 months pretty safely.

A more civil response may be: Rocky, why do you think you are more informed in regards to Cam's injury than the Hurricanes training staff? Particularly when you don't know what the injury is, and have already made a crazy speculative guess of 4-6 months earlier that has shown to be not even in the ballpark?

you are correct sir and please accept my most humble apology. I clearly misspoke when posting my opinion given injury histories and all with this team. again, please except my apology. I take it back and agree with you sir. I understand that I'm crazy and was just under the asinine false assumption that I was allowed to state an opinion here. I AM SORRY SIR. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

not happening IMO. another "safe" pick though.

I'd like to explore this notion of "safe" guys being drafted. I do realize this is just a thinly veiled complaint because you are upset they didn't draft Nichushkin, but let's look at reality.

2010 - Jeff Skinner: Many on the board were furious for drafting Skinner when Burmistrov, Fowler, Gormley and Tarasenko were on the board. Canes weren't accused of being "safe" in this pick, they were accused of reaching. In the end, they arguably took the most skilled guy available and it was not a "safe" pick by any means. Heck, 2 of the players that many of us felt were better picks, aren't even in the NHL right now.

2011 - Ryan Murphy: Anything but a "safe" pick. This guy was viewed by many as one of the more skilled players in the draft, but due to his size and lack of defensive prowess, there were concerns that his immense skill level would translate to the NHL. Anything but a "safe" pick.

2012 - Trade, no 1st round pick.

2013 - E. Lindholm. The likely options at this position were:

Lindholm: Very skilled player (passing/playmaking)who was good in his own end, but a bit small so may not contribute right away, even though he was playing against men in Sweden.
Monahan: most everyone on this board considered the "safest" pick of them all.
Nurse: Long range project who is back in Junior Hockey. A risky pick who is raw, but has upside potential.
Ristolainen: Viewed as a safe-bet defensemen who could contribute right away due to his size and playing in mens leagues overseas. Not a flashy player, but he does everything well. Definition of a "Safe" pick.
Nichushkin: Viewed as a very developed and skillful player. Some concerns/questions arose at the draft about him.

So of those 5 possible selections, I'd rank them in order of "safe-ness" as:

1) Monahan (who is outplaying all of them)
2) Ristolainen
3) Lindholm
4) Nichushkin
5) Nurse

It was also shown in the post draft video that the Canes were actively trying to move up to grab one (likely Jones) of the top 4. Again, I realize these comments are likely a thinly veiled complaint that the Canes didn't draft Nichushkin, but in reality, they did not take the "safest" option. Ironically, if they had, they'd have taken the guy who has produced the most so far in their very short careers to date. (Monahan)

I'm not projecting who will be the best player out of this bunch, as we won't know that for years, but you might want to wait a few years before declaring it a bad pick.

 

[rocky7]

I'd like to explore this notion of "safe" guys being drafted. I do realize this is just a thinly veiled complaint because you are upset they didn't draft Nichushkin, but let's look at reality.

2010 - Jeff Skinner: Many on the board were furious for drafting Skinner when Burmistrov, Fowler, Gormley and Tarasenko were on the board. Canes weren't accused of being "safe" in this pick, they were accused of reaching. In the end, they arguably took the most skilled guy available and it was not a "safe" pick by any means. Heck, 2 of the players that many of us felt were better picks, aren't even in the NHL right now.

2011 - Ryan Murphy: Anything but a "safe" pick. This guy was viewed by many as one of the more skilled players in the draft, but due to his size and lack of defensive prowess, there were concerns that his immense skill level would translate to the NHL. Anything but a "safe" pick.

2012 - Trade, no 1st round pick.

2013 - E. Lindholm. The likely options at this position were:

Lindholm: Very skilled player (passing/playmaking)who was good in his own end, but a bit small so may not contribute right away, even though he was playing against men in Sweden.
Monahan: most everyone on this board considered the "safest" pick of them all.
Nurse: Long range project who is back in Junior Hockey. A risky pick who is raw, but has upside potential.
Ristolainen: Viewed as a safe-bet defensemen who could contribute right away due to his size and playing in mens leagues overseas. Not a flashy player, but he does everything well. Definition of a "Safe" pick.
Nichushkin: Viewed as a very developed and skillful player. Some concerns/questions arose at the draft about him.

So of those 5 possible selections, I'd rank them in order of "safe-ness" as:

1) Monahan (who is outplaying all of them)
2) Ristolainen
3) Lindholm
4) Nichushkin
5) Nurse

It was also shown in the post draft video that the Canes were actively trying to move up to grab one (likely Jones) of the top 4. Again, I realize these comments are likely a thinly veiled complaint that the Canes didn't draft Nichushkin, but in reality, they did not take the "safest" option. Ironically, if they had, they'd have taken the guy who has produced the most so far in their very short careers to date. (Monahan)

I'm not projecting who will be the best player out of this bunch, as we won't know that for years, but you might want to wait a few years before declaring it a bad pick.

you are correct sir. I am wrong as is evidenced by your well thought out and thorough post. thank you sir. I will reconsider my misguided opinion. sorry if I have in any way caused stress upon you sir.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

you are correct sir. I am wrong as is evidenced by your well thought out and thorough post. thank you sir. I will reconsider my misguided opinion. sorry if I have in any way caused stress upon you sir.

You are welcome. I'm glad to help. Let me know if you need me to add facts and reason to any other discussions in the future.

 

[rocky7]

You are welcome. I'm glad to help. Let me know if you need me to add facts and reason to any other discussions in the future.

oh I will, I will. thank you sir, thank you. again please accept my apology. thanks again for the kind offer sir.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

oh I will, I will. thank you sir, thank you. again please accept my apology. thanks again for the kind offer sir.

I'm here to help.

 

[rocky7]

I'm here to help.

I know you are and I sincerely appreciate it. thanks again sir. rocky7

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Ignoring the new sarcastic rocky, this loss wasn't that bad.

Ward's injury definitely threw a kink in the gears in terms of the game plan. You could tell after the injury, plus the two quick goals against Peters, the team was "off" in the first period. And to Minnesota's credit, they took advantage of that.

Obviously, something was said in the locker room during the intermission because the team had a much better second and third. The difference was that while the Wild took advantage of Ward's injury, the Canes couldn't take advantage of Harding's. Start of the third, on the PP, with a cold goalie? Must score situation there.

But in the end, there are two teams on the ice, and one has shown (at this point in time) a defense that the Canes offense couldn't overcome.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

You are welcome. I'm glad to help. Let me know if you need me to add facts and reason to any other discussions in the future.

Never happens. Why bother.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Ignoring the new sarcastic rocky, this loss wasn't that bad.

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But in the end, there are two teams on the ice, and one has shown (at this point in time) a defense that the Canes offense couldn't overcome.

Until the top line starts playing like they can, this team (especially without Skinner) will struggle and has very little margin for error, even more so with Cam/Anton out. They just don't have enough talent to win without the talent they do have performing at a high level.

Semin's penalty leads to a first goal. Staal getting outworked (I'll give him credit for at least backchecking) by Parise leads to the 2nd goal. Not blaming those two for the loss, as other guys took penalties or made plays that could have led to goals as well..and the team only scored once, just that right now, the Canes need their best players to be their best players for the full game, in all zones.