Hope the Flyers can get him some day though....he fits the team mode...and a gamer.
GDT: Carolina Hurricanes Vs Montreal Canadiens
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Hope the Flyers can get him some day though....he fits the team mode...and a gamer.
bleedgreen
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Top line didnt have it tonight, and it hurt. Semin with casual turnovers, staal forcing passes to him Instead of going to the net.
Can't be a one line team anyway. Needed more from others.
Can't be a one line team anyway. Needed more from others.
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Last I checked, the two goals game from different lines. The team as a whole **** the bed in the first and the third, but the top line was especially poor.
AD Skinner
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What bugs me in addition to this is we dress Westgarth ostensibly for this purpose. He doesn't fulfill that role, or any other role. If he wasn't fighting but was hitting, playing good defense, and/or scoring it wouldn't matter as much. But he's really not accomplishing any of those things. I guess at this point they really don't have anyone else to put there though.
Finlandia WOAT
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We were going at it in the third with them.
Then Staal misses on his PS, and we lose some pep from our step. And then suddenly, Montreal's first line is out on a fast break against our fourth. I would expect that specific scenario ends in a goal most of the time.
Add a PP goal, then 8 minutes of absolutely nothing, and we lose. Oh well. On to Jersey.
Then Staal misses on his PS, and we lose some pep from our step. And then suddenly, Montreal's first line is out on a fast break against our fourth. I would expect that specific scenario ends in a goal most of the time.
Add a PP goal, then 8 minutes of absolutely nothing, and we lose. Oh well. On to Jersey.
Habs have the most PP of all the teams...tough to play against the Pittsburgh Bettman Referee Corps (PBRC) and the Canadian National Referee Corps (CNRC).
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Lazyking
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I think some here are being a little too harsh on the team tonight. The effort was there, I just think it was a momentum game and it swung the habs way in the third.
If I was to be critical, it would be that the PP was awful and Semin wasn't very good but even so, it's not like the TEA line had no chances... Can't bury em' some nights..
My Special Purpose
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Here's the deal with attendance chat on the Canes board: there are about five or six boards you can troll with this before you get to ours. Go pi$$ in the Coyotes Corn Flakes. Or the Panthers, Ducks, Avalanche, Blue Jackets, Islanders ...
The Ducks are 16-3-3 and we're out-drawing them by over 2,600/game. We're not even in the *conversation* of franchises in trouble. Take it elsewhere.
About the game, I think it was fascinating, even if it wasn't satisfying. To see how dominant Montreal was in the first and third, and how dominant Carolina was in the second was just plain weird. As a fan, I'll never understand how stuff like that happens.
And seriously, this was about the first real stinker from Semin. Missed shots just kill offense. No goals, no rebounds, three forwards caught up ice in transition.
It was another in a growing line of stinkers for Jeff Skinner. He hasn't been right since his concussion. He's not catching passes, he's just not sharp.
We can't have these guys struggling and beat a team like Montreal. They're really quite good. They're fast, and they're stronger than they get credit for. They contest *everything*. There are no easy outlets, no easy entries into the offensive zone, no easy dump-ins. I was amazed at how quickly they were on us at every turn. I think they are for real.
Lazyking
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The habs look really well coached. it was rare they were out of position and like you said, they contested everything. I don't think they have better talent then alot of the east teams but in this NHL, you don't need the best talent to get it done.
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I just think these are games we need to win to be real threats in the East.
Sure, we can beat Florida or Buffalo, and that's fine and dandy, but to quote a familiar face in the Canes organization: "To be the man, you have to beat the man!"
Or something like that. Wrestling...
Sure, we can beat Florida or Buffalo, and that's fine and dandy, but to quote a familiar face in the Canes organization: "To be the man, you have to beat the man!"
Or something like that. Wrestling...
Lazyking
Never Forget
But we're not a real threat. Other teams are deeper then us. I've said since the season started that this team was a playoff team, nothing more.
Further, I don't think tonight proved we can't play with the habs..Sure, their was times we got dominated, but so did they. If we score on the powerplay, we probably win the game
Further, I don't think tonight proved we can't play with the habs..Sure, their was times we got dominated, but so did they. If we score on the powerplay, we probably win the game
Vagrant
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Perspective, guys. This is the team that is leading the Eastern Conference right now. We're a team that just lost its starting and backup goaltenders to injury and illness respectively. We're still without our top defenseman. We're short a top six forward that we lost for the year before the season. We had won several games straight prior to this one. Everything added up for a let down.
Skinner is not playing the way that makes him effective right now. I honestly think it's the fact that the first line is clicking so well and his line is having to claw tooth and nail to make chemistry where none exists. Jordan and Skinner simply aren't working to each other's strength. I don't know who to blame.
We should wait until we get Ellis back at least to bemoan any losses. Peters is just trying to hold down the fort the best he can.
Skinner is not playing the way that makes him effective right now. I honestly think it's the fact that the first line is clicking so well and his line is having to claw tooth and nail to make chemistry where none exists. Jordan and Skinner simply aren't working to each other's strength. I don't know who to blame.
We should wait until we get Ellis back at least to bemoan any losses. Peters is just trying to hold down the fort the best he can.
Boom Boom Apathy
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That's my view as well Vagrant. The bottom six was also a last minute mix (Welsh, Sutter, Jokinen back to center, etc..). Team as a whole laid an egg the 1st period, played a great 2nd period, and just an ok 3rd period. Price outplayed Peters also (not unexpected) and MTL capitalized on a couple of mistakes whereas Price bailed out the Canadiens on a couple of their mistakes. Top line had it's share of chances, but didn't bury them or tipped/sent them just wide. I didn't like the number of lazy passes (mainly by Semin).
After the 1st period, I really thought Carolina was going to be dead all night and no way they'd come back. I was impressed with how they responded in the 2nd. 3rd was so so, but in fairness, you could see that after MTL got up early in the period, they played a much safer game and focused on limiting Carolina's chances. It wasn't that Carolina was not skating and fighting for the puck (like the 1st period), it's that MTL was focused on a safe game, not making mistakes and Carolina had to push a little to try and generate offense.
After the 1st period, I really thought Carolina was going to be dead all night and no way they'd come back. I was impressed with how they responded in the 2nd. 3rd was so so, but in fairness, you could see that after MTL got up early in the period, they played a much safer game and focused on limiting Carolina's chances. It wasn't that Carolina was not skating and fighting for the puck (like the 1st period), it's that MTL was focused on a safe game, not making mistakes and Carolina had to push a little to try and generate offense.
Boom Boom Apathy
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One other comment. As far as out of town fans go, the MTL fans visiting the PNC (at least the ones that sit near me in LL south) have to be about the nicest fans out of any visiting team. Really enjoyed sitting with them, talking about hockey, life in Montreal, etc..
SeaBasstian
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unless you are the Blackhawks this season, losses and letdowns are a reality in a game with 82 (or 48) games in a season. not worrying about this one too much because of the reasons already listed (Peters played well after those first 2 softies, but with Cam in i think we win this game). we have a solid lead on the division. we went through a stretch without many of our top players and still managed to stay atop the division. we can get through this injury bug as well. On to NJ, who are really struggling right now.
regardless as to whom we win against, they are wins. wins = points. sure, we may not win the SC. but getting into the playoffs alone does wonders for revenue for the team, as well as confidence for the players. the closer we get to the finals or winning, the closer we are to actually having a solid team. getting into the playoffs allows JR to see the holes better that he needs to fill to be a playoff contender. hell, maybe it all comes together and we go all the way. who knows. but there is no use in *****ing about one loss against a team that is tearing it up. its one game, people.
regardless as to whom we win against, they are wins. wins = points. sure, we may not win the SC. but getting into the playoffs alone does wonders for revenue for the team, as well as confidence for the players. the closer we get to the finals or winning, the closer we are to actually having a solid team. getting into the playoffs allows JR to see the holes better that he needs to fill to be a playoff contender. hell, maybe it all comes together and we go all the way. who knows. but there is no use in *****ing about one loss against a team that is tearing it up. its one game, people.
tarheelhockey
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Honestly, I don't care about PPs in that situation. Someone makes a late run at Skinner, you grab that guy by the collar and start throwing. Don't really give a damn what the refs have to say about it. That's the point of an enforcer. If he's not going to do that, he has no right to call himself an enforcer and in Westgarth's case, no right to a roster spot.
You know who DID jump in to defend his teammate on a late hit? Francis Bouillon, all 5'8" of him. That created a PP, which we didn't score on, and that happened late in the 2nd period with the score 2-2. Montreal kills the hell out of that penalty and takes our lunch money in the third period.
I'll tell you what, that scenario makes me embarrassed for this team. I don't care about the loss in the grand scheme of things. Buck the **** up and be a hockey team. Not just Westgarth, but Gleason, Harrison, Wallace. Subban wants to run around chopping ankles, freaking do something about it other than whine to the refs and take slashing penalties. Put on your big boy pants and face up to him.
This team is never going to be in the category of Boston, Philly or Toronto, I get that. But getting manhandled and pushed around in your own barn by the likes of the Habs is a damned disgrace. Have some ****ing pride for god's sake.
rocky7
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I think this hits the nail on the head regarding the lack of success the PP has had. Just let them go out there and do their thing. They know what to do. Secondly, other teams have quickly learned that the first line is dangerous. They have likely studied tapes, etc., and try to shut them down using different techniques. Some coaches have been successful and others not as much. Muller and the 1st must counter this aspect of the games. It is easy to jump on the players and yes, sometimes they will play a poor game here and there for whatever reason. We don't know why for sure. However, Muller's job is to out-coach the other guy and vice-versa. Other teams are going to focus on the Canes strengths and weaknesses. You have to be able to adapt.
Ole Gil
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We're 6-3 against current playoff teams. Can't win them all. And in the playoffs, you don't have to. Just 4 of 7.
I think the biggest issue that will be facing the Canes in the end, is team health. The healthy version of the team is one of the best in the league. This version of the team can beat a lot of teams, but I think is susceptible to being out-talented on the lower lines and pairings.
caniac315
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Anton Babchuk
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A big problem is that we don't have a single defensemen who should be on a first PP unit, and many of them really don't offer much even to a second unit. Kirk was running five forwards on the first unit before Brent was hurt.
It's amazing that a team with so many offensive defensemen doesn't have a single one that is a legit threat on the PP. We will be waiting for Murphy to pan out until we have one.
Justin Faulk, in particular, is absolutely atrocious on the PP. He telegraphs *everything* and this "big shot" of his seems to make rare appearance, and when it does it's some Pejorative Slured Corvo-esque shot along the ice from 50 feet with nobody near the net.
It's amazing that a team with so many offensive defensemen doesn't have a single one that is a legit threat on the PP. We will be waiting for Murphy to pan out until we have one.
Justin Faulk, in particular, is absolutely atrocious on the PP. He telegraphs *everything* and this "big shot" of his seems to make rare appearance, and when it does it's some Pejorative Slured Corvo-esque shot along the ice from 50 feet with nobody near the net.
rocky7
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Another example was when Gionta skated by and punched Semin in the head. He gets two which should have been four IMO. They were trying to throw the Canes top players off their game by these tactics and others. It worked. The Canes either get physical back (in some cases, they should), or better yet stay disciplined, let them take penalties and come up with plans to get around their strategies. In the end however, Price really won this game for them even though the Canes were outplayed for two periods. And, Peters did let in a couple of softies.
bleedgreen
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We've been a team of wee little nancies for a few years now. Shouldn't be shocking. Adding jstaal made us a little bigger but not much tougher. We're smurfs up front, little tenacity physically. Too me its been that way since at least lavi, who really preached getting pp time.
So often people just skate away from confrontation on this team, I don't even look for it anymore.
Wallace has been a plus.
So often people just skate away from confrontation on this team, I don't even look for it anymore.
Wallace has been a plus.
Sasha Cares
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Like I said. Montreal is our worst match up in the East. They will sweep us and make us look bad any time we play them.
Lazyking
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I'm not down on this team.. and I know better then to say we have no shot in the playoffs, two times we went to the cup finals, we wern't even considered the best team in our confrence.. I just watch alot of hockey and see that their are teams in our confrence and in the league that would be really diffult for us to beat night in and night out. It's not just talent, other teams are tougher and at the present moment, have better goaltending.
I think the top line can play with any team in the league but we need them to be on almost every night to win.
We also really need the PP to start working cause that takes the pressure off of the 5 on 5 game and we have the forwards to do it.
