GDT: Carolina @ Columbus: "BB is in a sour mood" edition

[the halleJOKEL]

they lost on the road to one of the best teams in the league

its like the 3rd game this year that they havent actually been in



if thats not a reason to trade our 19 yr old future top pairing dman i dont know what is

psychopath

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

psychopath

noah hanifin for marcus kruger and a 3rd

 

[The Faulker 27]

Looks like I missed a great game based on the boxscore and reading this thread.

It was pretty bad, they looked gassed and we know for sure Pesce and Hainsey have been sick or some type of illness. Pesce and Slavin just haven't looked in sync to me in the past 2 games. Again, Pesce being ill could be part of that. Hainsey isn't great normally, so I'll chalk up his overly bad play last night to being sick.

Cam just wasn't on his game. Easily his worst game since October. Not sure if he's fighting something, or just plain worn out. My guess is the latter. I thought Ned did fine, and even made a good kick save near the end to keep it 4-1. I wouldn't mind if they gave him a start, kind of wish they had last night.

Outside of those, I'm sure there were others but as usual Skinner was playing well, hit the goal post once that could have made it 4-2. Aho-TT-Stempy line was more noticeable, despite a few bad turnovers. Stempy got robbed by Bob on a great chance that could have been 4-3 and I'd say 2 of the BJs goals were on Cam. So, even if though it looked pretty terrible, it could have gone the other way with a little luck. Columbus certainly showed up to win, and it would have taken a much higher effort from the Canes to overcome that.

**** happens. Hopefully Friday is a different story.

 

[Bridgeman]

Id rather have Landeskog but I could see Peters pushing for Duchene as he played well for him at the World Cup. The contract term scares the crap out of me, but I guess absolute worst case he is probably worth a boatload as a rental.

I'd probably rather deal Hanifin than something like Fleury + Gauthier/Roy. Hanifin has shown a stunning lack of awareness which I'm not sure he is ever going to turn around completely. No doubt he will get better with experience, but I don't see him ever having the brains to be a top-20 defender in the NHL. Replacing Hanifin with Fleury, Carrick, or a rental pickup doesn't seem like it would downgrade the current team too much.

Hanifins problems aren't do to lack of awareness, one of his best qualities is his hockey IQ some thing most scouts and former coaches would agree with .,, what his issues can be completely attributed to is a lack in confidence..... You can see it in his body language .... I said it over a month ago,the front office is not helping him with the revolving door of AHL partners, something Peters mentioned in an interview ..... Hopefully they figure it out before its to late..

 

[spockBokk]

Hanifins problems aren't do to lack of awareness, one of his best qualities is his hockey IQ some thing most scouts and former coaches would agree with .,, what his issues can be completely attributed to is a lack in confidence..... You can see it in his body language .... I said it over a month ago,the front office is not helping him with the revolving door of AHL partners, something Peters mentioned in an interview ..... Hopefully they figure it out before its to late..

Otay Mr. Hanifin...

Seriously, he hasn't looked good the past few games. Some of his reads last night were horrible, that's not just a lack of confidence. Imho it's a lack of experience, and yes, he needs a better partner. But, he's looked like an overmatched 19yr over the past few games. I still believe he's got the highest ceiling of any dman on the roster and that GMRF will regret trading him, if he is really currently considering that.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Duchene for Hanifin just screams Pronger for Shanahan which would cause a depression in me the likes of which I cannot describe.

 

[Unsustainable]

Lindholm and Hanifin was both rushed to the NHL

 

[Breakdowns]

Hanifins problems aren't do to lack of awareness, one of his best qualities is his hockey IQ some thing most scouts and former coaches would agree with .,, what his issues can be completely attributed to is a lack in confidence..... You can see it in his body language .... I said it over a month ago,the front office is not helping him with the revolving door of AHL partners, something Peters mentioned in an interview ..... Hopefully they figure it out before its to late..

This 100%- you can see that for sure. When he is confident and people say that to him, he is playing much better! I think a goal or very good few games for him would do much for his confidence.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Duchene for Hanifin just screams Pronger for Shanahan which would cause a depression in me the likes of which I cannot describe.

It really does, and while I'm tempted to bring such an entertaining player in to try and nudge us into the playoffs this season, we absolutely need to keep our eye on the ball here.

Hanifin has all the physical tools to be the best defenseman in our division. Doesn't mean he will become that, but it's one possible future for him. The biggest thing he needs to work on is the space between his ears. We have an organization that includes Ron Francis, Rod Brind'Amour, Joe Nieuwendyk, Steve Smith, Ulf Samuelsson. I think we can help him with his hockey smarts.

I think Francis is genuinely committed to the process, and I'd be both surprised and a little disappointed if he gave in to the short-term thinking here.

 

[NotOpie]

giving up on hanifin now would be even dumber than all of you ready to give up on skinner two years ago

the jim rutherfords of hfboards, that is what you are

Tweaks, ladies and gentlemen, tweaks. If picks and prospects could be used to land a Top 6 player it should be considered but it should neither be done rashly or thrown to the wind out of hand. Otherwise, maybe look at a 3rd line center or wing with some size and scoring ability. If a good deal can't be had then you stand pat.

It really does, and while I'm tempted to bring such an entertaining player in to try and nudge us into the playoffs this season, we absolutely need to keep our eye on the ball here.

Hanifin has all the physical tools to be the best defenseman in our division. Doesn't mean he will become that, but it's one possible future for him. The biggest thing he needs to work on is the space between his ears. We have an organization that includes Ron Francis, Rod Brind'Amour, Joe Nieuwendyk, Steve Smith, Ulf Samuelsson. I think we can help him with his hockey smarts.

I think Francis is genuinely committed to the process, and I'd be both surprised and a little disappointed if he gave in to the short-term thinking here.

Agree 99% Tarheel. My only difference is as I mentioned above. I'd love to see a guy with size and a little scoring ability added to Aho/Teravainen. Stempniak didn't look terrible last night, but he doesn't make the type of space the two Finns seem to thrive with when they get it.

 

[GoldiFox]

Hanifins problems aren't do to lack of awareness, one of his best qualities is his hockey IQ some thing most scouts and former coaches would agree with .,, what his issues can be completely attributed to is a lack in confidence..... You can see it in his body language .... I said it over a month ago,the front office is not helping him with the revolving door of AHL partners, something Peters mentioned in an interview ..... Hopefully they figure it out before its to late..

I'd say a lack of confidence would manifest itself by things like hesitating whether to pinch or not, taking highly conservative defensive positions, over-passing, etc. I really don't see that as Hanifin's problems.

Hanifin makes great reads often to get pucks in all zones. He usually positions himself well, when he doesn't I see it more as overly aggressive positioning rather than overly conservative. Unfortunately at least 3-4 times a game he makes absolutely atrocious passes or chips directly to the opposing team which often generates prime scoring chances. These are heads-up, has-time passes which lead to complete possession failures. To me, that is a symptom of a complete lack of situational awareness. Maybe he adjusts and gets better over time, but it is a much more concerning trait for me than what I would consider a lack of confidence.

I'm afraid of a case of a guy with absolutely elite tools and a sub-par toolbox. The Nelson Agholor of the NHL.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Unfortunately at least 3-4 times a game he makes absolutely atrocious passes or chips directly to the opposing team which often generates prime scoring chances. These are heads-up, has-time passes which lead to complete possession failures. To me, that is a symptom of a complete lack of awareness. Maybe he adjusts and gets better over time, but it is a much more concerning trait for me than what I would consider a lack of confidence.

I'm afraid of a case of a guy with absolutely elite tools and a sub-par toolbox. The Nelson Algholor of the NHL.

He's 19 years old and playing full time as an NHL defenseman. Anyone short of Ray Bourque is going to make a lot of mistakes in that situation.

 

[2 12 oz Drinks]

I'd say a lack of confidence would manifest itself by things like hesitating whether to pinch or not, taking highly conservative defensive positions, over-passing, etc. I really don't see that as Hanifin's problems.

Hanifin makes great reads often to get pucks in all zones. He usually positions himself well, when he doesn't I see it more as overly aggressive positioning rather than overly conservative. Unfortunately at least 3-4 times a game he makes absolutely atrocious passes or chips directly to the opposing team which often generates prime scoring chances. These are heads-up, has-time passes which lead to complete possession failures. To me, that is a symptom of a complete lack of awareness. Maybe he adjusts and gets better over time, but it is a much more concerning trait for me than what I would consider a lack of confidence.

I'm afraid of a case of a guy with absolutely elite tools and a sub-par toolbox. The Nelson Algholor of the NHL.

The tough thing is that it's just so hard to tell. Everyone knows defenseman take a while to develop and we threw Hanifin in immediately. We need to commit to a few more years if we think it's worth it or use him as part of a trade package if not. I'm for the former certainly, but it is possible that he doesn't turn out to be the guy we all dream he will be

 

[caniac247]

It's all Columbus' fault for our downward spiral that will now happen. When they were in town last week, they were sick, hence why Bob didn't play. A few of their other guys were 'under the weather' as well. They didn't care about winning that game, they just wanted to breath on our guys and transfer the germs to us. Well it worked. Our team now has the germies. Thanks Columbus.

First Teuvo, then Pesce, now Hainsey, makes me wonder if Cam also has a bit of the germs. He looked tired, which is likely due to playing 20 straight games, but he was way off last night.

 

[Finnish Jerk Train]

Confirmed with Link: Columbus has cooties.

 

[GoldiFox]

He's 19 years old and playing full time as an NHL defenseman. Anyone short of Ray Bourque is going to make a lot of mistakes in that situation.

I don't disagree and I'm not trying to say "trade Hanifin for whatever you can get". Just that it concerns me. I know Slavin was 3-4 years older when he entered the NHL but he never had those types of errors on a consistent basis. Two extra years of NCAA play and a stint in the AHL was development time that Hanifin never had and it shouldn't be ignored. However, from my personal viewing it appears more like a mental issue which is not developing in a positive direction. Just one fan's opinion.

 

[NotOpie]

I don't disagree and I'm not trying to say "trade Hanifin for whatever you can get". Just that it concerns me. I know Slavin was 3-4 years older when he entered the NHL but he never had those types of errors on a consistent basis. Two extra years of NCAA play and a stint in the AHL was development time that Hanifin never had and it shouldn't be ignored. However, from my personal viewing it appears more like a mental issue which is not developing in a positive direction. Just one fan's opinion.

To me, it appears to be a couple of things. I do feel that that confidence issues remain. That does cause hesitation, second guessing, playing it overly safe which can manifest itself as bad passes. The other thing is that he is still adjusting to the NHL game. Passes, especially in tight spots, that worked in the NCAA, just don't work in the NHL. Things he was able to anticipate are no longer the same, so the outcomes have changed. He's progressing fine, which means he's going to continue to make mistakes. One thing to note, that the more minutes he plays, the better he seems to play. So maybe there's a flow of the game thing at play as well.

 

[CandyCanes]

Everyone is ripping on Hanifin right now. Sure he's going through a bit of a sophomore slump. Pretty common in 19 year old defenseman that make the NHL. I'm not concerned at all right now.

But he did do some positive things last night. He made I think like 4 incredible break out passes last night that led to a few scoring chances. Also made a really smart play to skate towards the net that almost led him into tapping in a goal. He had a very mixed game last night, but the good things he did show you what he can become.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

He's 19 years old and playing full time as an NHL defenseman. Anyone short of Ray Bourque is going to make a lot of mistakes in that situation.

THIS OMG THIS

This. A million times.

Jiminy H. Tapdancing Christmas, whatever happened to giving a guy his reps and letting him learn from his mistakes?

HE IS NINETEEN YEARS OLD PPL

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

And he's visibly improved from last year. He was nowhere near an NHL caliber defenseman in 2015, whatever RF and scouts claim be damned. This year he's an NHL'er, albeit not a great one. Improvement.

 

[Roboturner913]

My only argument for trading Hanifin is, you drafted him with the expectation of getting yourself a high-end first-pairing guy. Unexpectedly, you got that with Slavin, who is cheaper in the immediate future to boot. So in a way, you're playing with house money now.

Nor can I really fault JR for trading Pronger. I mean, he didn't get some washed-up piece of trash, he got freaking Brendan Shanahan. One of the very best PFs to ever play the game. And that asset eventually became Brind'Amour. Do we ever want to think about what this franchise would be without Rod Brind'Amour.

I'm not saying I'm all in for trading Hanifin 100% but I'm also not on board with this idea that he is completely untouchable. If it's for the right player....I mean, Duchene, Aho, Rask, Skinner, Staal, TT, McGinn, Nordstrom are a formidable forward group in the long-term and we still have 1-2-3 on defense as good as anybody else's in the league.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Is Matt Duchene equal to Brendan Shanahan, then? Or Rod Brind'Amour?

Lemme answer that for you: no. He's not. Because if he were, he wouldn't be for sale.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Is Matt Duchene equal to Brendan Shanahan, then? Or Rod Brind'Amour?

Lemme answer that for you: no. He's not. Because if he were, he wouldn't be for sale.

I don't get it. Both Brind'Amour and especially Shanahan got traded around.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Brindy was traded from Philadelphia because of rumored personal reasons I can't post without breaking this sites libel rules. Google it.

Wasn't Shanahan traded a lot on account of him being a massive ******?

 

[The Faulker 27]

THIS OMG THIS

This. A million times.

Jiminy H. Tapdancing Christmas, whatever happened to giving a guy his reps and letting him learn from his mistakes?

HE IS NINETEEN YEARS OLD PPL

PTSD from Ryan Murphy.