Carl Hagelin

[KreiMeARiver*]

He sucked 4 games and played well 2 games. That's not all year at all, is it? If you play well and work hard, the points will eventually come too. If you've watched every rangers game for more than 27 years, you should know this.

You base your arguments solely on point production and on 1 (ONE!) single stupid penalty.

He's had a bunch of stupid penalties, this year. Pretty much every game.

 

[Boom Boom Geoffrion*]

Actually, he does.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rangers/rangers_triumph_but_lose_callahan_iALOojIfapvXMNQIV4j1xK

I like you.

 

[Boom Boom Geoffrion*]

He's had a bunch of stupid penalties, this year. Pretty much every game.

You're getting ahead of yourself here. You need to relax, and actually pay attention to what people are saying. Nobody's denying Hags hasn't look good this season. Over the last 2 games though, he's certainly regained some of the swagger he had last season. He's improved. His legs are back.

He was probably our best forward last night. Despite not scoring. It is possible to have a great game, and not score. It's also possible to score, and have a bad game. Groundbreaking stuff, eh?

There are a lot of good players who are playing like **** right now. Because of the lockout. Because of the lack of training. Lack of practice. It happens. Let's re-visit these over-dramatic statements you're tossing around in 2 weeks and see if they still apply.

 

[Larry Melnyk]

You're getting ahead of yourself here. You need to relax, and actually pay attention to what people are saying. Nobody's denying Hags hasn't look good this season. Over the last 2 games though, he's certainly regained some of the swagger he had last season. He's improved. His legs are back.

He was probably our best forward last night. Despite not scoring. It is possible to have a great game, and not score. It's also possible to score, and have a bad game. Groundbreaking stuff, eh?

There are a lot of good players who are playing like **** right now. Because of the lockout. Because of the lack of training. Lack of practice. It happens. Let's re-visit these over-dramatic statements you're tossing around in 2 weeks and see if they still apply.

Over-dramatic? I don't think so...Not that I don't agre with some of what you are saying but Hagelin's limited track record says othewise.......it's not jus 6 games, it's 40.... Hagelin has been nothing but a gnat ....occasional bother to the other team with his speed and forechecking, but that's it....ZERO prduction....zero goals in like 30-40 games...yeah, there are some things to like in his game and there is hope that he will put it together, but also very valid to question whether he will be much of anything to really help the rangers..

 

[Samuel Culper III]

... not really.

Hagelin's offense could only barely come around and he could produce 2/3 of what he did last season, every year going forward, and if he still forechecks tenaciously, helps keep the puck down low in the opponent's end and kills penalties effectively, he will be a very good third liner.

What kind of fantasy land do some of us live in?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Over-dramatic? I don't think so...Not that I don't agre with some of what you are saying but Hagelin's limited track record says othewise.......it's not jus 6 games, it's 40.... Hagelin has been nothing but a gnat ....occasional bother to the other team with his speed and forechecking, but that's it....ZERO prduction....zero goals in like 30-40 games...yeah, there are some things to like in his game and there is hope that he will put it together, but also very valid to question whether he will be much of anything to really help the rangers..

It comes down to what expectations you had for Hagelin. Was he just a speedy go that played on the 1st line last season, or a guy that could be a legitimate first liner. I've always though it was the former.

So, basically, I dont expect offensive contributions from him. I think hes extremely fast and a well-schooled player. Thats fine on our 3rd line, as currently constructed.

 

[KreiMeARiver*]

You're getting ahead of yourself here. You need to relax, and actually pay attention to what people are saying. Nobody's denying Hags hasn't look good this season. Over the last 2 games though, he's certainly regained some of the swagger he had last season. He's improved. His legs are back.

He was probably our best forward last night. Despite not scoring. It is possible to have a great game, and not score. It's also possible to score, and have a bad game. Groundbreaking stuff, eh?

There are a lot of good players who are playing like **** right now. Because of the lockout. Because of the lack of training. Lack of practice. It happens. Let's re-visit these over-dramatic statements you're tossing around in 2 weeks and see if they still apply.

I love dramatic statements. I'll leave reason and logic for other posters. I prefer to throw out emotional statements based on how my day is going so far. I'm a bad person.

 

[Larry Melnyk]

It comes down to what expectations you had for Hagelin. Was he just a speedy go that played on the 1st line last season, or a guy that could be a legitimate first liner. I've always though it was the former.

So, basically, I dont expect offensive contributions from him. I think hes extremely fast and a well-schooled player. Thats fine on our 3rd line, as currently constructed.

Without a doubt, I think HAGS is best as a 3rd liner..Miscast as anything above that......I'm hoping there he can use his assets to make a contribution.... but there is also no doubt that he has to play smarter, play more consistent (both ways) and produce a bit...I think he can, but it's also very valid to be worried that he won't be able to...it's up to him

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It shows how bad HAGS has been this year (and even parts of last year) that he gets the "played well" praise for hard work, fast skating and forechecking (which he should be doing every period) not for scoring or making plays that lead to goals....OTOH, he truly has looked better the past 4 periods or so and you gotta hope it eventuially translates to SOMETHING tangible......As it stands, right now he reminds of a Gene Carr-marcel Hossa hybrid....Can skate, Can forecheck, can even grind a little behind the net but, as The Big Whistle said, couldn't put the puck in the ocean off the end of the pier..Let's hope all this changes becasue he is crucial to the team's success this year---the Rangers counted on both him and Krieder from the onset ( a mistake)--especially if Cally is out for a time period....

He was on pace for 50 points last year. He's not a scrub that can't score. Also he should be doing those things anyway? How many players on the Rangers can do those things?

 

[Larry Melnyk]

He was on pace for 50 points last year. He's not a scrub that can't score. Also he should be doing those things anyway? How many players on the Rangers can do those things?

Never said he was a scrub....He was on pace to score 50..then on pace to score 10...It's all about consistency....I'm not trying to take shots at Hags..he has talents that can help the team, but he also has issues that can minimize his impact..If he combines playing smart, consistent and a little scoring with his penchant speed and forechcecking, the Rangers will have a good 3rd linet/Pker

 

[KreiMeARiver*]

Never said he was a scrub....He was on pace to score 50..then on pace to score 10...It's all about consistency....I'm not trying to take shots at Hags..he has talents that can help the team, but he also has issues that can minimize his impact..If he combines playing smart, consistent and a little scoring with his penchant speed and forechcecking, the Rangers will have a good 3rd linet/Pker

This pretty much sums up my feelings on Hagelin. Nice job.

We have a lot of guys that struggle mightily with consistency. It's been a problem for a long time. If we rely only on the big 3, we are F'd. We need those guys to contribute on the regular.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

This pretty much sums up my feelings on Hagelin. Nice job.

We have a lot of guys that struggle mightily with consistency. It's been a problem for a long time. If we rely only on the big 3, we are F'd. We need those guys to contribute on the regular.

You guys are misguided. Not many players who aren't stars ARE consistent. If they were, they'd produce more and be stars. Hagelin will never be a regular contributor. He'll probably put up 35-40 points a year and have stretches where he scores in bunches and stretches where he's invisible. Same for Boyle, Kreider, Stepan and everyone outside of the big 3. They will never become consistent, unless they're taking the next step to becoming a star player. That's not the answer either. The need is to have enough inconsistent guys with the potential to produce so that there's always a couple of guys who ARE producing when the others go through their droughts. The Hagelins and Anisimovs and Dubinskys of the world don't become consistent players. They're complimentary players because of their inconsistency. Right now, Boyle and Pyatt and Ferriero are not enough threats offensively to really give us the depth we need in order to always have someone who is hot. Kreider looking like he needs some time might be a blow as well if he doesn't look better when he returns to the lineup. If those guys were all locks for 30-35 points (82 game trajectory) than it wouldn't matter which guys out of Stepan, Hagelin, Kreider, Boyle, Pyatt, Ferriero were cold because at least two would usually be hot in addition to the big three. The problem is that Boyle, Pyatt, Ferriero and, for now, Kreider, don't even provide the offense of an inconsistent guy like Hagelin or Dubinsky or Anisimov. The result is that with Hagelin and Stepan struggling, there's NO ONE outside of the big three. The answer isn't guys like Hagelin becoming consistent though (Stepan might make that step one day as he is still young and has the potential to be a star/first line player), it's adding to the offensive depth that is simply too thin right now.

 

[Glennsoe]

In order to be a more complete player, he has to work on his D play..

Too often his man is left alone or he is out of position..

It has cost us plenty of goals so far and will cost us in the future too..

 

[SixGoalieSystem]

In order to be a more complete player, he has to work on his D play..

Too often his man is left alone or he is out of position..
It has cost us plenty of goals so far and will cost us in the future too..

Hagelin losing his man has cost us plenty of goals? That's a real stretch. He still has work to do on positional play in his own zone, I'll grant you that, but his speed on back checking has stopped loads of opportunities for the opposition since he came up, we saw an example of that last night, and his board play is excellent.

Sorry, I just don't see it. Hags is a good two way forward.

 

[The Gloaming]

Speaking of Hagelin's defense, last night during the third period, while killing yet another penalty, after the Rangers allowed Timonen to be wide open, there was a scrum in the corner. Hagelin was the one guy not involved in for the NYR, and drifted between the slot and the corner. So anytime that he would drift closer to the scrum, the fans would yell at him to get back and cover the Flyers at the point and in the slot. Poor kid probably thought that he had them covered, and had no idea what we were going crazy about. Pretty funny to be there.

 

[KreiMeARiver*]

You guys are misguided. Not many players who aren't stars ARE consistent. If they were, they'd produce more and be stars. Hagelin will never be a regular contributor. He'll probably put up 35-40 points a year and have stretches where he scores in bunches and stretches where he's invisible. Same for Boyle, Kreider, Stepan and everyone outside of the big 3. They will never become consistent, unless they're taking the next step to becoming a star player. That's not the answer either. The need is to have enough inconsistent guys with the potential to produce so that there's always a couple of guys who ARE producing when the others go through their droughts. The Hagelins and Anisimovs and Dubinskys of the world don't become consistent players. They're complimentary players because of their inconsistency. Right now, Boyle and Pyatt and Ferriero are not enough threats offensively to really give us the depth we need in order to always have someone who is hot. Kreider looking like he needs some time might be a blow as well if he doesn't look better when he returns to the lineup. If those guys were all locks for 30-35 points (82 game trajectory) than it wouldn't matter which guys out of Stepan, Hagelin, Kreider, Boyle, Pyatt, Ferriero were cold because at least two would usually be hot in addition to the big three. The problem is that Boyle, Pyatt, Ferriero and, for now, Kreider, don't even provide the offense of an inconsistent guy like Hagelin or Dubinsky or Anisimov. The result is that with Hagelin and Stepan struggling, there's NO ONE outside of the big three. The answer isn't guys like Hagelin becoming consistent though (Stepan might make that step one day as he is still young and has the potential to be a star/first line player), it's adding to the offensive depth that is simply too thin right now.

Let's be honest: 75% of our forwards are completely useless. Eh, maybe 66%, as Pyatt has been decent.

 

[Faxius]

In order to be a more complete player, he has to work on his D play..

Too often his man is left alone or he is out of position..

It has cost us plenty of goals so far and will cost us in the future too..

lol what? He has been on the ice for 2 EV goals against and 2 PP goals against in 6 games. The 2 goals Toronto scored on Saturday he was on 1 EVG and 1 PPG, I don't blame him for either one. He was on for the PPG Dupuis scored when we played the Pens, nothing he could do about that. The only one I blame him for is the 4 on 4 Horton goal when we played Boston at home, when he redirects the puck right to Horton's stick. You obviously don't like Hagelin playing for the Rangers as I have seen you with some ridiculous comments about him before, and I suspect it's because he is short, Swedish and actually has a place on this roster, unlike your favorite player.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Let's be honest: 75% of our forwards are completely useless. Eh, maybe 66%, as Pyatt has been decent.

Offensively, right now, yes. Since offense isn't the only thing there is in hockey (though you're making a strong case for that being your overriding belief today), that's really nothing more than another one of your beloved over-dramatic statements which I don't share your enthusiasm for. But without getting into the other uses a forward can have besides scoring, that was kind of the point of my post. Guys like Hagelin and Stepan aren't consistent. That's not the problem with this team. If they were consistent, they would end up costing us a lot more money and be much more coveted players overall. The problem with this roster is that we don't have ENOUGH inconsistent (read: supplementary) offensive threats backing up the consistent ones (Richards, Gaborik, Nash and Callahan who is borderline). Hagelin and Stepan are legitimate supplementary threats, but they run hot and cold with Stepan being much more legitimate, and close to consistent than Hagelin. Boyle, Pyatt, Kreider, Ferriero, Rupp, Asham and Halpern all vary from infrequent offensive threat to almost never and only Kreider really has the potential to improve. With Callahan out of the lineup, we really only have three consistent offensive players, two inconsistent, supplemental scorers and 7 players who can barely provide any offense at all. THAT is the problem. 7 forwards who can barely be expected to produce a point every 3-5 games. If we had 5-6 guys who were threats to score, albeit inconsistent ones, it wouldn't matter that Stepan can't buy a goal right now (still producing assists) and Hagelin is totally cold because SOMEBODY would be scoring. But since we only have two other options now, it's painfully and drastically obvious that we're lacking scoring depth. Again, the answer isn't waiting for Hagelin to morph into a consistent guy who produces points every night; it's adding players who actually are, likewise, semi-regular offensive threats to the equation.

 

[KreiMeARiver*]

Offensively, right now, yes. Since offense isn't the only thing there is in hockey (though you're making a strong case for that being your overriding belief today), that's really nothing more than another one of your beloved over-dramatic statements which I don't share your enthusiasm for. But without getting into the other uses a forward can have besides scoring, that was kind of the point of my post. Guys like Hagelin and Stepan aren't consistent. That's not the problem with this team. If they were consistent, they would end up costing us a lot more money and be much more coveted players overall. The problem with this roster is that we don't have ENOUGH inconsistent (read: supplementary) offensive threats backing up the consistent ones (Richards, Gaborik, Nash and Callahan who is borderline). Hagelin and Stepan are legitimate supplementary threats, but they run hot and cold with Stepan being much more legitimate, and close to consistent than Hagelin. Boyle, Pyatt, Kreider, Ferriero, Rupp, Asham and Halpern all vary from infrequent offensive threat to almost never and only Kreider really has the potential to improve. With Callahan out of the lineup, we really only have three consistent offensive players, two inconsistent, supplemental scorers and 7 players who can barely provide any offense. That's the problem. If we had 5 guys who were threats, albeit inconsistent ones, it wouldn't matter that Stepan can't buy a goal right now (still producing assists) and Hagelin is totally cold because SOMEBODY would be scoring. But since we only have two other options now, it's painfully and drastically obvious that we're lacking scoring depth. Again, the answer isn't waiting for Hagelin to morph into a consistent guy who produces points every night; it's adding players who actually are semi-regular offensive threats to the equation.

I don't disagree, at all.

 

[Glennsoe]

lol what? He has been on the ice for 2 EV goals against and 2 PP goals against in 6 games. The 2 goals Toronto scored on Saturday he was on 1 EVG and 1 PPG, I don't blame him for either one. He was on for the PPG Dupuis scored when we played the Pens, nothing he could do about that. The only one I blame him for is the 4 on 4 Horton goal when we played Boston at home, when he redirects the puck right to Horton's stick. You obviously don't like Hagelin playing for the Rangers as I have seen you with some ridiculous comments about him before, and I suspect it's because he is short, Swedish and actually has a place on this roster, unlike your favorite player.

Sir...

I like Hags as much as the next one - even got his t-shirt and his jersey...

I was thinking of last season and so far, he's as much out of position as he's in position. something he has to learn.

I want him to be an elite player, so I don't care if he's swedish or korean or whateva..

Favorite player..you mean zuke, kreider and Hags..Theire all good players..

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Sir...

I like Hags as much as the next one - even got his t-shirt and his jersey...

I was thinking of last season and so far, he's as much out of position as he's in position. something he has to learn.

I want him to be an elite player, so I don't care if he's swedish or korean or whateva..

Favorite player..you mean zuke, kreider and Hags..Theire all good players..

He will never be elite. He's a third liner who can play top six.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

In order to be a more complete player, he has to work on his D play..

Too often his man is left alone or he is out of position..

It has cost us plenty of goals so far and will cost us in the future too..

Thats a bunch of BS - especially coming from a guy that lauds Zuccarello's play.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

He's coming around at the right time.

With Cally out for 2 weeks, we need someone to step up.

 

[Lgr22]

Speaking of Hagelin's defense, last night during the third period, while killing yet another penalty, after the Rangers allowed Timonen to be wide open, there was a scrum in the corner. Hagelin was the one guy not involved in for the NYR, and drifted between the slot and the corner. So anytime that he would drift closer to the scrum, the fans would yell at him to get back and cover the Flyers at the point and in the slot. Poor kid probably thought that he had them covered, and had no idea what we were going crazy about. Pretty funny to be there.

i was at that end of the ice when that happened. hilarious. the fans were going nuts yelling at him. i like to think we helped save a goal

 

[Boom Boom Geoffrion*]

Over-dramatic? I don't think so...Not that I don't agre with some of what you are saying but Hagelin's limited track record says othewise.......it's not jus 6 games, it's 40.... Hagelin has been nothing but a gnat ....occasional bother to the other team with his speed and forechecking, but that's it....ZERO prduction....zero goals in like 30-40 games...yeah, there are some things to like in his game and there is hope that he will put it together, but also very valid to question whether he will be much of anything to really help the rangers..

Nothing but a gnat? That's fine with me, because this team needs a player like that.

Problem here is a lot of you guys have wacky expectations. Look at Petr Prucha, for example. He clips 30G, and all of a sudden he's more valuable than Crosby.

You guys just, can't accept a good thing. It has to be 'perfect'.

If Hagelin was better offensively, or more consistent, he would have been a 1st or 2nd round pick. He's already exceeded what most players in his draft-range are expected to put up in their careers. Do a little homework and look at the % of prospects drafted as late as Hags. Most of them don't even sniff the NHL, let alone earn a top-6 role on a contending team.

If Hagelin's offense never comes to fruition. Or, if he remains a streaky offensive player, he's still an extremely important player on our roster who ultimately improves our team.

I love dramatic statements. I'll leave reason and logic for other posters. I prefer to throw out emotional statements based on how my day is going so far. I'm a bad person.

You're not a bad person. You just don't know how to manage expectations. And you're way too impatient.

Never said he was a scrub....He was on pace to score 50..then on pace to score 10...It's all about consistency....I'm not trying to take shots at Hags..he has talents that can help the team, but he also has issues that can minimize his impact..If he combines playing smart, consistent and a little scoring with his penchant speed and forechcecking, the Rangers will have a good 3rd linet/Pker

Consistency is what separates the good from the greats. I'll bring up Prucha again. 30G scorer. Expectations got out of hand. Kid comes back to earth and fans see him as a player who's a bust.

Look at Voros. He was awesome at first. Then reality struck and he morphed back into his human-punching bag self. If he was consistent he would be a dynamic power forward.

If Boyle consistently put up 20G a year, with his defensive play, he would be a great candidate to have on your second line, instead of third.

You can't be a great player if you're not consistent. Hagelin, isn't a great player. Only a fool expected legit top-line production out of him, especially this early on in the season.