Player Discussion Carey Price - Moving Home Edition

[Lafleurs Guy]

I dont care dude… you’re arguing for granting an exemption to Price

No exemption required. He’s earned it. Again, better resume than many already retired.

and turning the prestigious reward into a participation award.

We’re talking about a probable first ballot HOFer. Give it a rest.

Its like saying the sc losers should also get a stanley cup because they made it into the finals…

Right, except not at all.

A jersey retirement is the ultimate honour for a habs player.

Talent/ no talent, he doesnt belong.

He clearly does. Now, if they arbitrarily exclude him because his GM (the maestro himself) was a dumbass then so be it. But it wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense.

Btw you can read articles that The Rocket dominated because most guys in that era were sent to war and he wasn’t playing with much weaker players because of it. Not saying its true but the Rocket is a legend because of what he did and NOT what he could have done.

I think Richard is probably the 5th best player of all time. But if he’s the standard then guys like Lafleur don’t make it. It’s just silly to do that.

 

[biblihockey]

Plante, Roy and Dryden are all worthy of course. But Price could only dream of playing on the teams they had.

Do any of those goalies win a cup (nevermind multiple) on Price’s teams? No they don’t. Does Price win multiple cups on those other teams? Absolutely he does.

Well here's my midnight answer I am very interested in doing the research with opened eys. True thing is that Price got mostly bad teams in front of him, and when they got somewhere, team got dismantled or left alone by gm.

Roy in 86 and 93, did not have a all star team and cups were a bit unexpected. He made it anyway.

And i disagree with the "nevermind multiple" and the standard argument. Stanley cups are how you make history. There s a difference for a player between 0 and 3 or 5.

For Guy Lafleur, come on ! He has 5 cups . If the Pocket Rocket has most cups, seasons and games, Lafleur has most points and assists and is only 26 goals behind the rocket. Lafleur is 1246 points in 961 games, he belongs, he's a legend.

Also when Dryden left for a year, the team got in serious trouble, so, was Dryden the key to the success ? Same the first year he played when Al MacNeil played him. Meaning that having a good team in front of you does not always work for the goalie ( i give you it often does )

I hate this topic, i absolutly like this goalie, but i don't think it should happen.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Well here's my midnight answer I am very interested in doing the research with opened eys. True thing is that Price got mostly bad teams in front of him, and when they got somewhere, team got dismantled or left alone by gm.

Roy in 86 and 93, did not have a all star team and cups were a bit unexpected. He made it anyway.

Patrick Roy had multiple Selke and Norris winners/niminees as well as multiple HOFers on his first cup. The mid to late 80s clubs were the best defensive team in the league. He had protection - and scoring that Price could only dream of. Richer, Smith, Naslund, Lemieux…

The 93 team had Damphousse, Muller, Carbonneau up the middle. They had Bellows, Leclair, Lebeau… Night and day difference.

And i disagree with the "nevermind multiple" and the standard argument. Stanley cups are how you make history. There s a difference for a player between 0 and 3 or 5.

There is NO WAY any of those guys would’ve won multiple cups on Price’s teams, let alone one.

For Guy Lafleur, come on ! He has 5 cups . If the Pocket Rocket has most cups, seasons and games, Lafleur has most points and assists and is only 26 goals behind the rocket. Lafleur is 1246 points in 961 games, he belongs, he's a legend.

Of course. That’s my point.

If Rocket Richard is the line then the only other guy who’d make it is Doug Harvey.

Also when Dryden left for a year, the team got in serious trouble, so, was Dryden the key to the success ? Same the first year he played when Al MacNeil played him. Meaning that having a good team in front of you does not always work for the goalie ( i give you it often does )

I have nothing but love for Ken Dryden. He pulled off the greatest upset in NHL history. But he did it with Jean Beliveau.

I hate this topic, i absolutly like this goalie, but i don't think it should happen.

Fair enough.

But consider this, Roy, Plante and Dryden each played with a minimum of four HOFers each. Price played with the end of Shea Weber.

Even if I accept prime Subban as a HOF quality player (and I do) It’s still not close to the same thing.

You don’t think Price would’ve won multiple cups behind two Norris winners, two Selke winners, a 50 goal scorer and 100 point getter as well as multiple nominees for the Selke? Imagine him on those defensive 80s clubs. Imagine him with Guy Lafleur and Robinson or Rocket Richard and Doug Harvey. That’s who those other guys had in front of them. Price had Desharnais as his first line center… Plante and Dryden had Jean Beliveau.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Patrick Roy had multiple Selke and Norris winners/niminees as well as multiple HOFers on his first cup. The mid to late 80s clubs were the best defensive team in the league. He had protection - and scoring that Price could only dream of. Richer, Smith, Naslund, Lemieux…

The 93 team had Damphousse, Muller, Carbonneau up the middle. They had Bellows, Leclair, Lebeau… Night and day difference.

There is NO WAY any of those guys would’ve won multiple cups on Price’s teams, let alone one.

Of course. That’s my point.

If Rocket Richard is the line then the only other guy who’d make it is Doug Harvey.

I have nothing but love for Ken Dryden. He pulled off the greatest upset in NHL history. But he did it with Jean Beliveau.

Fair enough.

But consider this, Roy, Plante and Dryden each played with a minimum of four HOFers each. Price played with the end of Shea Weber.

Even if I accept prime Subban as a HOF quality player (and I do) It’s still not close to the same thing.

You don’t think Price would’ve won multiple cups behind two Norris winners, two Selke winners, a 50 goal scorer and 100 point getter as well as multiple nominees for the Selke? Imagine him on those defensive 80s clubs. Imagine him with Guy Lafleur and Robinson or Rocket Richard and Doug Harvey. That’s who those other guys had in front of them. Price had Desharnais as his first line center… Plante and Dryden had Jean Beliveau.

Hot take, give Carey Price every team that Dryden and Roy had and he performs better in every season/playoff. (with the exceptions of 71 and 93)

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Hot take, give Carey Price every team that Dryden and Roy had and he performs better in every season/playoff. (with the exceptions of 71 and 93)

I won’t make that claim but he’d have been really tough to beat on those late 80s clubs let alone the 70s.

 

[ReHabs]

So tired of retreading this jersey retirement discussion. Dude’s still on the payroll. Hold your horses.