Confirmed Trade: [CAR/OTT] Viktor Stalberg for a 2017 3rd

[SmoggyTwinkles]

I don't understand people saying a pick is over payment.

I taught this is supposed to be a very weak draft year.

It certainly seems like a weak draft, one of those drafts you'll pull up on hockeydb or whatever in 6 or 7 years and go "damn, that was weak!"

But you never know. Just seems like that to me and many others and the hype is almost non-existent from media/scouts etc which further compounds that feeling.

I wouldn't lose sleep over non-1st rounders this year.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Good call Dorion, lets trade another pick from a team that got spanked by the Bolts last night...

WTF is going on?!?!?!

Can anyone really say we didn't have anyone that could have played the role of Stalberg (9 points) in our system?

If your assessment of depth players is a cursory glance at their point totals (which is 12), you might be doing it wrong.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

Stalberg is a great 4th liner. He is a speedy PKer who forechecks like a beast. He is strong threat to get under the defense and get a breakaway. He attacks the puck and generates turnovers. He definitely has made our 4th line exciting to watch. He is a constant hard worker and I hope we re-sign him in the summer. These kinds of players can be playoff heroes. I'm happy to get a 3rd for him but at the same time I think a high 3rd is appropriate value.

 

[Nordic*]

Stalberg will thrive in Ottawa, his speed is needed.

 

[Boud]

Yeah the last place AHL team really shows the depth of the prospects. The 2nd rounder we kept Gabriel Gagne is lighting up the ECHL!!!! 3 Picks in this draft awesome man wooo

Our best prospects are in the Q (Chalpik, Chabot), at Boston College (Colin White) and in the OHL (Logan Brown) while others play in Europe like Jaros..

 

[SawyerFord]

Ottawa keep making bad trades, I can not remember a single one good trade or signing they have done the last years.

They do not need more depth. What they should have done is have gone for Radulov on free agents. They need players that do that little extra not more depth players. But lets give up the teams future for a couple of more deph players. I am not a ottawa fan, but I have notice that Ottawa constantly makes bad trades, and are passive on the free agent market and letting great players passing by there year after year.

Neither Burrows or Stålberg is bad players, they are good deph players and i guess they fits ottawas new coach, but they will not make the difference and they could get those types of players for free on the free agents.

Pyatt, Condon, Anderson for Eliott, Turris trade, Garbage for Phaneuf, Methot for Foligno

 

[Zirakzigil]

Decent depth move for the Sens

 

[derriko]

Fair value for Stalberg. Trade works well for both teams.

Like has been said, Stalberg is the prototypical Boucher player. Good defensively, fast, gritty, and goes balls to the wall.

He will fit in very well in Ottawa just like Pyatt.

The real question is what happens to Lazar now. Keep him for depth purposes or cut him loose.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

I would have added Stalberg for a 3rd. No big deal though.

 

[sparxx87]

Seems like a higher pick then I would have guessed. Stalberg has some redeeming qualities but he's very much a depth player. Seems like a 3rd is a little high.


Dorian has to be one of the least likeable people in hockey. I'm indifferent to most of this stuff but this guy always boosting himself. Just saw an interview re; the Burrows trade and rather then discuss hockey or what it might do for their team, he makes a point to tel the media how several of his players came to hug him and shake his hand for this deal..... Really, man? Really?

 

[NyQuil]

Since when is a 3rd rounder valuable in a weak draft?

This place is crazy.

 

[Lobstertainment]

Damnit Ottawa knows ex-Leafs are our kryptonite. Well played Ottawa, well played.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Since when is a 3rd rounder valuable in a weak draft?

This place is crazy.

2011 was a weak draft

Didn't stop the Sens' elite scouting staff from getting Pageau, Claesson and Dzingel in rounds 4-7

All draft picks have value. A 3rd round pick in the hands of a very good scouting staff is valuable, no matter how weak he draft.

 

[Sens Vader]

Seems like a higher pick then I would have guessed. Stalberg has some redeeming qualities but he's very much a depth player. Seems like a 3rd is a little high.


Dorian has to be one of the least likeable people in hockey. I'm indifferent to most of this stuff but this guy always boosting himself. Just saw an interview re; the Burrows trade and rather then discuss hockey or what it might do for their team, he makes a point to tel the media how several of his players came to hug him and shake his hand for this deal..... Really, man? Really?

lmao as a Sens fan I find every single one of his interviews cringeworthy, and yeah its almost like a Trump press conference - 'everyone says how amazing this deal is' its YUUGGEE

however,

Burrows + Stalberg makes us a much better, deeper team and will definitely help the playoff push. So I cant be that mad.

Losing Dahlen sucks, I dont give a crap about a 3rd. We still got our big three; Chabot Brown and White...on top of a lot of other complimentary prospects in Chlapik Englund Jaros Perron and Paul.

 

[Lobstertainment]

Since when is a 3rd rounder valuable in a weak draft?

This place is crazy.

That 3rd could be the next *insert great player from the 3rd round here*!!

Or it could also be a bottom 6 type guy who can fill a minor role, or a dime a dozen fringe player who may or may not ever have a cup of coffee at the NHL level.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

2011 was a weak draft

Didn't stop the Sens' elite scouting staff from getting Pageau, Claesson and Dzingel in rounds 4-7

All draft picks have value. A 3rd round pick in the hands of a very good scouting staff is valuable, no matter how weak he draft.

Not necessarily true.

If they don't become NHLers that contribute than they are not worth more than making your team better IN THE NHL for a playoff run.

As long as teams hang on to their firsts in a weak draft that is all you should worry about.

Or if your team trades picks like they are candy then yes you should be worried. A couple teams trading a few 2nd and 3rd rounders don't sweat it, it's gonna be ok.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I get being upset about Dahlen for Burrows as that seems completely out of whack value wise. But when people are fretting over giving up a 3rd round pick in a weak draft for an NHLer when our coach is afraid to play the 4th liners available to him it just comes off as completely wacky. It is intensified when you consider we might win our division and are apparently seen by a lot of people as a darkhorse in the East (Via Pierre McGuire...).

We're having a good season. It doesn't matter if it was supposed to happen. If your team has momentum, and you have legit holes, you add at the deadline.

Dahlen is a good prospect. a 3rd rd pick is a hit and a miss. But at this point teams have to decide whether to bolster, sell or stand pat.

Ottawa is a very solid team, really have flew under the radar this year, but they have Karlsson in his prime, and the Division is wide open. Barring Washington(who have a way of underperforming in the playoffs) the east is wide open.

The price is a reasonable one. Some times depth moves are better than big splashes. We will see, but to me, Burrows and Stalberg make the Sens a little better going into the playoffs.

 

[sparxx87]

Since when is a 3rd rounder valuable in a weak draft?

This place is crazy.

It's not about it's value, it's about what you're getting for it. If I'm Ottawa, I'm more interested in the 18 year old I could pick 60-90 then Stalberg.

Not just this deal, but all deals - I never understand the 2nds and 3rds for depth players. Those are good picks that can be pretty valuable if your scouts do their homework.

 

[Esq]

Frustrating player. Has elite physical tools, but low hockey IQ and a propensity for stupid penalties.

 

[Lobstertainment]

It's not about it's value, it's about what you're getting for it. If I'm Ottawa, I'm more interested in the 18 year old I could pick 60-90 then Stalberg.

Not just this deal, but all deals - I never understand the 2nds and 3rds for depth players. Those are good picks that can be pretty valuable if your scouts do their homework.

They're going for the playoffs, a depth player who can fill a spot even if only because of an injury/suspension to someone else is worth more to them now than a player 60-90(let's face it will be more 75-90) will be worth to them 4-5 years from now.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Frustrating player. Has elite physical tools, but low hockey IQ and a propensity for stupid penalties.

His "elite physical tools" fall into 1 category. Straightline speed.

His hands aren't good, he's ok physically, and playmaking ability is poor. That said, he's an effective 4th liner who can PK and disrupt things. His IQ isn't as bad as you make it out to be, just he doesn't have the skill. He's been fantastic on the PK this year in Carolina (which takes IQ).

Well worth a 3rd rounder IMO.

 

[BK201]

I like it, third rounder is what ever just a crap shoot. Shows our best player we're committed to a run.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

2011 was a weak draft

Didn't stop the Sens' elite scouting staff from getting Pageau, Claesson and Dzingel in rounds 4-7

All draft picks have value. A 3rd round pick in the hands of a very good scouting staff is valuable, no matter how weak he draft.

IIRC 2011 was thought of to be a somewhat deep draft with no real top end talent. I'm pretty much hearing nothing about this year's draft.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Anyone having strong feelings about this deal one way or another, is either a homer or a hater. It's just a routine decent deal. Nothing to see.

 

[sparxx87]

Anyone having strong feelings about this deal one way or another, is either a homer or a hater. It's just a routine decent deal. Nothing to see.

Nobodies hating, just challenging the value system that a lot of GM's use. Picks for depth are palatable if you're a legit contender and that extra PK guy or whatever could make the difference... Victor Stalberg isn't making a difference enough to mke the Sens contend.

To me, Stalbergs place should have been filled internally. I mean, it's not like you have any players itching for a chance to get in the lineup or anything.