Confirmed Trade: [CAR/MIN] Nino Niederreiter for Victor Rask

[Bazeek]

What’s this? If they wanted crap, the oilers could’ve offered more with Lucic.

Finally, a bright side.

 

[north49er]

First instinct is Minny lost the trade

Even if it was your last instinct you'd be right.....

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

He's a top 10 play-driver in the NHL.

You can make fun of "advanced" stats all you want, but shot differential and goal differential are important.

I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this... he's never even scored 60 points in the NHL.

I don't want to get into semantics behind the term "play-driver" either, using that as a metric is ambiguous af

 

[Machinehead]

I'm gonna go ahead and call bull**** on this... he's never even scored 60 points in the NHL.

I don't want to get into semantics behind the term "play-driver" either, using that as a metric is ambiguous af

Let me know when Rask has scored 50.

It's not an ambiguous term. The Wild are a better team in terms of shots, chances, and goals when he's on the ice than when he's not. That's what it means. It's a black and white term.

 

[greasysnapper]

Rask is a good player who was not utilized well in Carolina the past 2 seasons. This is a perfect example of how opportunity and usage factor into a players production. He seems like the perfect Boudreau player. I expect him to really come into his own in Minnesota and expect a Lars Eller type bloom.

 

[AKL]

Since the start of the 11-12 season, the Wild are 27th in shot differential.

Hard for something to get you somewhere when you don't do it.

And they've averaged more shots than their opponents per game throughout all but like two of those seasons. Number of shots don't matter. It's one of the most useless stats there is. Right next to +/-. It's common to see teams get outshot and still win.

 

[kilowatt]

theres gotta be at least a 7th round pick going to minnesota i would think

 

[Menzinger]

Hate this trade from the Wilds POV

 

[PromisedLand]

what? why would minny do this? Canes win this one even without a game being played by either player

 

[2Pair]

Not the doghouse, he’s been flat out terrible for two years.

No, he hasn't

 

[Machinehead]

And they've averaged more shots than their opponents per game throughout all but like two of those seasons. Number of shots don't matter. It's one of the most useless stats there is. Right next to +/-. It's common to see teams get outshot and still win.

Patently untrue.

They finished 29th, 19th, 22nd, 16th, 21st, 15th, and 30th those years, and currently sit 13th.

For a generation, people have been telling Minnesota fans their team is mediocre to awful at shot differential, and for a generation they've been telling us either 1)they aren't (they are) or 2)it doesn't matter.

Given that the Wild have won two playoff series since the damn war, maybe it does matter.

 

[bleedgreen]

Since he signed his deal Rask has had it rough with injuries/confidence, and then the team really changed around him. He was separated from Skinner and his confidence went out the window. He’s always been a rough skater. He worked on it enough to be good up and down the rink but in either zone as soon as the sharp starts and stops happen he’s toast. Really slow change of direction and first step. Still he’s strong on the puck, wins draws and tends to make smart decisions.

He got so bad last season the team improved immediately in terms of speed when he sat out the last month or so. He had become a black hole. He didn’t have a line to fit in once he finally came back this year. This needed to happen.

He is one guy I’m fine with leaving for both him and the team. He’s been generally invisible for two years.

Having said that I see this deal having a good chance of being relatively equal. We have our centers without Rask and needed wingers who can maybe score. If Nino doesn’t turn it around we’ve got the worst of the two contracts. I think they’ll both perk up.

Still I’m pretty pumped. I didn’t think anyone would take Rask and his contract, and I’ve always liked Nino. It’s a good trade.

 

[AKL]

Patently untrue.

They finished 29th, 19th, 22nd, 16th, 21st, 15th, and 30th those years, and currently sit 13th.

For a generation, people have been telling Minnesota fans their team is mediocre to awful at shot differential, and for a generation they've been telling us either 1)they aren't (they are) or 2)it doesn't matter.

Given that the Wild have won two playoff series since the damn war, maybe it does matter.

The Wild have outshot their opponents on average for 6 of those 8 years. That’s not patently untrue. I saw the shots for and shots against myself.

 

[General Disarray]

Other teams couldn't beat that offer?? Good for Carolina.

 

[AKL]

Other teams couldn't beat that offer?? Good for Carolina.

Fenton was looking for a guy who could come in, possibly needing a change of scenery, hopefully play center, and hopefully create a spark. Between Rask and Aberg, he thinks he’s found the guys to do that. He wasn’t looking for draft picks or prospects in return.

And Nino isn’t exactly a prize himself at this point.

 

[Vitto79]

I think Nino is overrated so fair deal

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Let me know when Rask has scored 50.

It's not an ambiguous term. The Wild are a better team in terms of shots, chances, and goals when he's on the ice than when he's not. That's what it means. It's a black and white term.

I don't care about Rask I'm just addressing the validity of your statement, I never said anything outrageous like Nino is a top-10 play-driver in the game.

And it is super ambiguous because you're implying that Nino is one of the 10 best players in the NHL simply because of shot totals. "Play-drivers" is about as ambiguous as it gets, people can argue that it means an infinite amount of things

 

[Machinehead]

The Wild have outshot their opponents on average for 6 of those 8 years. That’s not patently untrue. I saw the shots for and shots against myself.

Either that's not at even strength, or it's simply misinformation.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't care about Rask I'm just addressing the validity of your statement, I never said anything outrageous like Nino is a top-10 play-driver in the game.

And it is super ambiguous because you're implying that Nino is one of the 10 best players in the NHL simply because of shot totals. "Play-drivers" is about as ambiguous as it gets, people can argue that it means an infinite amount of things

I never implied that.

I explained to you what the term means, and you're ignoring that and choosing to interpret it that way.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I never implied that.

I explained to you what the term means, and you're ignoring that and choosing to interpret it that way.

That's what the term means to you, play-driver isn't a real thing so arguing Nino is a top-10 player at anything is disingenuous and misleading

 

[AKL]

Either that's not at even strength, or it's simply misinformation.

It’s all situations. Because when talking about total number of shots for or against, the only thing more useless than looking at them in all situations, is filtering and looking at them only in certain situations.

If even strength shot differential meant as much as you think it does, Nino should have far more points than he does, and he certainly wouldn’t have been traded for Victor Rask. It’s the prime example of why you don’t cherry pick one or a few stats to describe a guys play.

 

[AKL]

That's what the term means to you, play-driver isn't a real thing so arguing Nino is a top-10 player at anything is disingenuous and misleading

I’d say it’s more just that the thing he is top 10 at isn’t really that important.

 

[Jozay]

Yikes for the Wild. Maybe Rask will turn it around, but they definitely should've just kept Nino instead and waited for something better.

 

[Machinehead]

That's what the term means to you, play-driver isn't a real thing so arguing Nino is a top-10 player at anything is disingenuous and misleading

It is a real term with a very simply meaning. You'll continue to do with it what you please.

 

[Machinehead]

Yikes for the Wild. Maybe Rask will turn it around, but they definitely should've just kept Nino instead and waited for something better.

Obviously none of this stuff is important.