Confirmed Signing with Link: [CAR] Jaccob Slavin (7 years, $5.3M AAV)

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Not a steal. His first contract after elc he is making 5.3 million per season. Generally the AAV is much less for the first deal. Not saying he is a bad player, but that is alot of change. Seth Jones is a good comparison. Sacrificing a higher cap hit for potential security. Its a good contract but also fair. I would not call it a steal. Ryan Johansen got what 4 million on his first deal and he was a 1C.

Yeah basically every RFA contract is below market value and a "steal." That's the nature of restricted free agency. I think Slavin returns excess value on this contract easily but that's what's so great about RFA years.

 

[Roboturner913]

Not a steal. His first contract after elc he is making 5.3 million per season. Generally the AAV is much less for the first deal. Not saying he is a bad player, but that is alot of change. Seth Jones is a good comparison. Sacrificing a higher cap hit for potential security. Its a good contract but also fair. I would not call it a steal. Ryan Johansen got what 4 million on his first deal and he was a 1C.

It'll be a steal 5 years from now, if nothing more than because of inflation. What's a #1D going to be making in 2022? Vlasic just signed for $7M/avg.

 

[TSA0402]

That is a steal for a player who's close(if not already) a #1D.

Johansen signed a 3yx4M in 2014, and I bet is looking at a lot more today.

So 3x4M in 2014 or 7x 5.3M in 2018?

After first contract almost 5.5 million is alot. There is still an element of risk, primarily in injury. Im not debating his skill. I realize the mcdavid contract, but he isnt connor mcdavid. I am not entirely familiar with him but what I have seen heard he is in the same vein to Seth Jones(bit more shutdown). 5.5 million for these guys now is alot, but in the long run is a huge steal if they perform.

Vlasic got 4.2 million. Obviously higher cap, more term as well. I dont see this as a steal.. 5+ million for a 2nd contract is alot of coin. Not saying it isnt a good contract, but he wasnt robbed blind.

 

[TSA0402]

It'll be a steal 5 years from now, if nothing more than because of inflation. What's a #1D going to be making in 2022? Vlasic just signed for $7M/avg.

Vlasic is in all UFA years of course he is going to be overpaid. I shudder to think how much Karlsson is going to make as a UFA. Arbitration rights vs free agency, in actuality it is completely irrelevant your comment. Yea in five years its probably going to be a steal... that isnt my point.

 

[bigbabybuda]

2-3 years this could look like one of the best contracts in the league. Slavin is a stud. Good for Carolina

 

[Gurglesons]

Josi contract pt.2

Which is interesting, because I see Carolina being the Nashville of the East in a couple years. Really great team, struggling for a #1 C constantly getting pushed around by the "greats" in their conference in the playoffs.

 

[L4br3cqu3]

Carolina's defence will be filthy in a couple of years, it's already sexy as hell... Faulk-Slavin-Hanifin-Pesce and Fleury coming soon if everything goes according to plan...

 

[BB88]

After first contract almost 5.5 million is alot. There is still an element of risk, primarily in injury. Im not debating his skill. I realize the mcdavid contract, but he isnt connor mcdavid. I am not entirely familiar with him but what I have seen heard he is in the same vein to Seth Jones(bit more shutdown). 5.5 million for these guys now is alot, but in the long run is a huge steal if they perform.

Vlasic got 4.2 million. Obviously higher cap, more term as well. I dont see this as a steal.. 5+ million for a 2nd contract is alot of coin. Not saying it isnt a good contract, but he wasnt robbed blind.

It isn't high today, he's worth that 5.3M today(easily) and he'll still be on ELC for another year.
He's better than Jones at the time of signing, and this contract starts 2 years later and has 1 more year in term.

Slavin is a damm beauty, and underrated because he plays in Carolina and doesn't get hyped.

Vlasic signed his contract 5 years ago and has been seen as one of the best cap hits in the league.

 

[Roboturner913]

Vlasic is in all UFA years of course he is going to be overpaid. I shudder to think how much Karlsson is going to make as a UFA. Arbitration rights vs free agency, in actuality it is completely irrelevant your comment. Yea in five years its probably going to be a steal... that isnt my point.

Then I'm not understanding your point.

By signing him to 7 years, they're buying out seasons in which he might otherwise be upping his trade value.

Sign him to a shorter contract for less average salary, sure that looks nice for the books right now, but when he's a UFA and worth $7-8 million on the open market a team like Carolina won't hope to compete with the Torontos and New Yorks to keep him.

It's kinda like going to the store and finding toothpaste and deodorant on sale for half price. You stock up, right? You're betting that x numbers of months down the road when you really need toothpaste and deodorant it's gonna be hella more expensive than it is right now.

 

[TSA0402]

It isn't high today, he's worth that 5.3M today(easily) and he'll still be on ELC for another year.
He's better than Jones at the time of signing, and this contract starts 2 years later and has 1 more year in term.

Slavin is a damm beauty, and underrated because he plays in Carolina and doesn't get hyped.

Vlasic signed his contract 5 years ago and has been seen as one of the best cap hits in the league.

If he was that good(better than jones), Carolina would be in the playoffs. Seth Jones is a better offensive player, which comes with a premium in cost. Unfortunately, being a defensive stalwart and an RFA generally makes you a bit underrated in cost. Im not saying he is a bad player, show me players on their second contract that make almost 5.5 million that arent Toews...

Then I'm not understanding your point.

By signing him to 7 years, they're buying out seasons in which he might otherwise be upping his trade value.

Sign him to a shorter contract for less average salary, sure that looks nice for the books right now, but when he's a UFA and worth $7-8 million on the open market a team like Carolina won't hope to compete with the Torontos and New Yorks to keep him.

It's kinda like going to the store and finding toothpaste and deodorant on sale for half price. You stock up, right? You're betting that x numbers of months down the road when you really need toothpaste and deodorant it's gonna be hella more expensive than it is right now.

Once again, almost 5.5 million for a very good d-man on his second contract is alot of money for the first two seasons. It is obviously an overpay to start the contract, people debating this have not followed salary structures of the NHL. There is still elements of risk involved... in 7 years it is very likely going to be a steal, but it isnt now. Not even close, and all players are one injury away from LTIR.... it is a deal with security in mind.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

People saying not a steal, there is an element of risk to these contracts. They aren't signed with the intention of being a steal right away. Without a doubt, the Hurricanes probably could have shaved 2M off the cap hit by going for a bridge.

The cap goes up conservatively about 2M a season. Slavin is a UFA after 4 (?) more seasons of play? This contract buys up something like 3-4 UFA years.

How much does a UFA #1 D get paid under a cap approaching 85M? 7M? 8M? 9M?

Slavin is basically overpaid for two years (relative to what he could have been "forced" to sign for), and then will potentially be underpaid for 5 if he lives up to his billing. That's why it is seen as a steal.

Subban is the flip side of this. I am not saying Slavin and Subban are perfect comparables, but I am talking in the broad sense when it comes to young defensemen looking for contracts. MTL most likely could have locked down Subban at 6-8 years in the 6M range give or take, he would have been overpaid compared to the roughly 3Mx2 year bridge deal he signed for initially, but if he lived up to his potential (which he did) the contract would have eventually been a steal. Subban ended up signing 9M long term, so instead of getting a steal for 4-6 years depending on how long Subban would have signed for instead of a bridge, MTL only got a steal for 2 years during the bridge.

CAR probably could have gotten Slavin cheap for two years, but there is a good chance they'd end up paying him a lot more than 5.3M after those two years.

 

[tarheelhockey]

If he was that good(better than jones), Carolina would be in the playoffs.

What the?

But no, you're right, the Canes missed the playoffs because Slavin wasn't good enough.

 

[Stickpucker]

If he was that good(better than jones), Carolina would be in the playoffs. Seth Jones is a better offensive player, which comes with a premium in cost. Unfortunately, being a defensive stalwart and an RFA generally makes you a bit underrated in cost. Im not saying he is a bad player, show me players on their second contract that make almost 5.5 million that arent Toews...

Can Jones play goal too?

 

[BB88]

If he was that good(better than jones), Carolina would be in the playoffs. Seth Jones is a better offensive player, which comes with a premium in cost. Unfortunately, being a defensive stalwart and an RFA generally makes you a bit underrated in cost. Im not saying he is a bad player, show me players on their second contract that make almost 5.5 million that arent Toews...





Once again, almost 5.5 million for a very good d-man on his second contract is alot of money for the first two seasons. It is obviously an overpay to start the contract, people debating this have not followed salary structures of the NHL. There is still elements of risk involved... in 7 years it is very likely going to be a steal, but it isnt now. Not even close, and all players are one injury away from LTIR.... it is a deal with security in mind.

Defense wasn't Carolinas issue.

5.3M is not an overpay for the start of this contract, he's not just a very good D-man, he's a very close to being a #1D if he isn't already& he's still on ELC.

I follow these contracts, and don't compare them straight up to contracts done 5 years ago, I also watch a lot of different teams, including Carolina.

 

[TSA0402]

There is no precedent for a d-man without much offensive pedigree getting almost 5.5 million on his second contract.

I specifically said if Slavvin was noticably better than Jones he would have the impact to turn them into a playoff team. He is clearly being overrated by certain posters. Great teams have been carried by weak goaltending. To blame it on one thing is being shortsighted.

 

[Led Tasso]

There is no precedent for a d-man without much offensive pedigree getting almost 5.5 million on his second contract.

I specifically said if Slavvin was noticably better than Jones he would have the impact to turn them into a playoff team. He is clearly being overrated by certain posters. Great teams have been carried by weak goaltending. To blame it on one thing is being shortsighted.

There is no precedent for someone to post that one guys team making it into the playoffs makes him better than everyone else of similar age in similar position whom did not make the playoffs. Doughty, Hedman, etc. did not make the playoffs. I guess, by your logic, they are not as good as other dmen of the same or similar age, else they would have carried their team into the playoffs?

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

There is no precedent for a d-man without much offensive pedigree getting almost 5.5 million on his second contract.

I specifically said if Slavvin was noticably better than Jones he would have the impact to turn them into a playoff team. He is clearly being overrated by certain posters. Great teams have been carried by weak goaltending. To blame it on one thing is being shortsighted.

He's not a Karlsson level offensive talent, but to say that he's a defenseman without much offensive pedigree is pretty ignorant considering he led his USHL teams in scoring by a defenseman by a significant margin his two seasons playing in that league, led Colorado College in scoring as a freshman defenseman, then as a sophomore had a slight regression in points but still led the scoring from the defense.

He also put up seven points in fourteen games as a rookie in the AHL before getting called up to the big show and sticking there.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

There is no precedent for a d-man without much offensive pedigree getting almost 5.5 million on his second contract.

I specifically said if Slavvin was noticably better than Jones he would have the impact to turn them into a playoff team. He is clearly being overrated by certain posters. Great teams have been carried by weak goaltending. To blame it on one thing is being shortsighted.

Hampus Lindholm, who had the exact same career high in points at the time of signing his contract.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I specifically said if Slavvin was noticably better than Jones he would have the impact to turn them into a playoff team.

You have turned "better than Jones was at the time of the signing" (ie the end of 2016 Seth Jones) into "noticeably better than Seth Jones".

In any case, your logic is laughable.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Hampus Lindholm, who had the exact same career high in points at the time of signing his contract.

And this is where he should stop digging.

 

[Roboturner913]

He is clearly being overrated by certain posters.

"he is clearly being underrated by certain posters"

see how easy that is.

 

[malton]

Great deal for the canes. Slavin is money.

 

[Oddbob]

First, I think he is a darn good defenceman, with a good amount of upside. However, I really think this is a long deal for a fairly unproven player, at this point. Anyone else feel this way?

 

[Oddbob]

Hampus Lindholm, who had the exact same career high in points at the time of signing his contract.

Yeah, but the difference is, Lindholm is considered a more offensive defenceman, and they generally get more money than, the more defensive minded guys.

 

[stempniaksen]

This is already a great deal in my mind, but could be one of the best in the league in 2-3 years. Fantastic deal for the Canes and GMRF.