Confirmed Signing with Link: [CAR] Jaccob Slavin (7 years, $5.3M AAV)

[Unsustainable]

I don't think he'll ever win the Norris because he doesn't have the offensive chops (IMO) to get into the running, and right or wrong, offensive production is key to winning the Norris.

They need a Norris and a Lidstrom trophy, one for defensive and one for offensive defensive players.

 

[Smartguy]

Any 7 year deal comes with risk but I think this will most likely be a great deal for the Canes.

Similar to the Klefbom deal in Edmonton (4.1X7) it will probably be a steal by year 2 of the deal

 

[Sting]

I don't think he'll ever win the Norris because he doesn't have the offensive chops (IMO) to get into the running, and right or wrong, offensive production is key to winning the Norris.

Drew Doughty proves otherwise.

Norris is more or less being a stand-out, ability-to-carry-the-team type of player.

Slavin isn't that but he's a d-man every team in the league would want at 5.3M.

 

[TheOllieC]

I have to admit I hardly ever seen this guy play, but judging from the comments on HFBoards this guy sounds like he's going to be a Norris winner someday. Yet many hockey fans who don't post on here are probably wondering why he got such a big contract. Slavin is either the most overrated player in the league, or the most underrated player in the league, depending on how you look at it.

It's not just a small group of people on HF pumping him up. It's anyone who has watched him. He's not a recognizable name to casual fans (yet) but that doesn't matter. These are cold hard inarguable facts. He's been really impressive.

Slavin ranked second in the NHL in takeaways, first among league defensemen in shorthanded points and tied for 10th among league blueliners in plus/minus.

He's a beast.

led the Hurricanes in blocked shots (161), takeaways (83), time on ice per game (23:26) and shorthanded time on ice per game (3:07), and was tied for first in plus/minus with a plus-23 rating, the fourth-best plus/minus season in franchise history

 

[KingsCourt]

led the Hurricanes in blocked shots (161), takeaways (83), time on ice per game (23:26) and shorthanded time on ice per game (3:07), and was tied for first in plus/minus with a plus-23 rating, the fourth-best plus/minus season in franchise history

Wow... Impressive... Now I'm jealous

 

[Paralyzer]

Key word there...

Canadian media distorts financial situation of small-market American team, more news at 6

Posting ignorant comments to me and not trying to explain why it's not true is not helping. I could care less if they are a big or small market.

 

[Roboturner913]

Love this kind of deal from Francis because it's based on the guy's floor. Like, he's worth 5.3 now, easily. If he gets any better it's a bargain, but even if he doesn't get any better, it's still a bargain. RF did the same thing with Rask last offseason. $4m for a guy who plays in the 45-50 point range. If he improves, great. If he doesn't, it's still a good buy.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Right but that doesn't answer my question. Because the ownership was losing money (or some kind of issues a year ago) I thought they were under an internal cap. Which in turn meant the longer term deals they couldn't commit for those reasons. I'm not being ignorant or anything. I'm just trying to understand what has changed since then.

You are still wrong. You are adding 2 and 2 and coming up with 5. There was never any credible (in fact, I've never heard any period) that the Canes won't give out long term contracts due to finances/internal cap. As I've shown, they've given them out to Staal, Faulk, Skinner etc... Just because they have an internal cap, doesn't mean they won't sign long term deals. In fact, in this case, it probably HELPS their cap because he's locked up for 7 years for a good price.

 

[dman34]

This is pretty much the exact contract I want the Canucks to give Bo Horvat. Solid signing by Francis. Will look even better in a few years time.

 

[Paralyzer]

You are still wrong. You are adding 2 and 2 and coming up with 5. There was never any credible (in fact, I've never heard any period) that the Canes won't give out long term contracts due to finances/internal cap. As I've shown, they've given them out to Staal, Faulk, Skinner etc... Just because they have an internal cap, doesn't mean they won't sign long term deals. In fact, in this case, it probably HELPS their cap because he's locked up for 7 years for a good price.

Hey I'm not infatuating that it's true. I'm asking if what I heard was wrong.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Drew Doughty proves otherwise.

Norris is more or less being a stand-out, ability-to-carry-the-team type of player.

Slavin isn't that but he's a d-man every team in the league would want at 5.3M.

Doughty has hit 59,51, 46, 44, 40 and 22 (in 48 games). After his rookie season, he's only been under 40 twice (36 and 37). Could be wrong, but I'm saying I don't see Slavin as having even that level of consistent offense.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

You are still wrong. You are adding 2 and 2 and coming up with 5. There was never any credible (in fact, I've never heard any period) that the Canes won't give out long term contracts due to finances/internal cap. As I've shown, they've given them out to Staal, Faulk, Skinner etc... Just because they have an internal cap, doesn't mean they won't sign long term deals. In fact, in this case, it probably HELPS their cap because he's locked up for 7 years for a good price.

Pretty much this. Yes, the team has an internal cap (the amount of which isn't public knowledge) but Francis (and Rutherford before him) have always said that Karmanos is flexible on that internal cap number if it helps better the team.

Hey I'm not infatuating that it's true. I'm asking if what I heard was wrong.

Yes, clearly you heard wrong.

 

[Roboturner913]

Right but that doesn't answer my question. Because the ownership was losing money (or some kind of issues a year ago) I thought they were under an internal cap. Which in turn meant the longer term deals they couldn't commit for those reasons. I'm not being ignorant or anything. I'm just trying to understand what has changed since then.

They've only been a cap floor team since they started rebuilding, because what sense does it make to spend a whole bunch of money when you don't expect to be competitive. Now that they've started to turn the corner they'll spend more. Karmanos has never had a problem spending money when he felt there was a good chance for the team to be competitive.

 

[MinJaBen]

Right but that doesn't answer my question. Because the ownership was losing money (or some kind of issues a year ago) I thought they were under an internal cap. Which in turn meant the longer term deals they couldn't commit for those reasons. I'm not being ignorant or anything. I'm just trying to understand what has changed since then.

A year ago there was a lawsuit brought by Karmanos' (owner) sons against him for $100M because he borrowed that money from the trust fund he set up for his kids for some purpose. It was never disclosed what the money was used for and a number of Quebec sports rags purported that it was for hockey operations. Never confirmed, just rumored. Anyway, the suite was settled, I believe with the settlement not disclosed. That, though, has nothing to do with an internal cap/budget. The Canes have always operated with an internal budget (all teams do) that has sometimes been lower than the Cap, but not always. That has never precluded them from making long term signings. What you will probably see, however, is that unlike some other clubs that massively front load contracts with bonuses, the Canes don't do that. I suspect you'll see that in this contract. In fact, I'd guess that you might see Slavin's contract escalates the actual salary over the course of the contract like Faulk's contract did.

On an aside, I think the lack of signing bonuses is one reason you don't see many high profile UFA signings here in Carolina.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Hey I'm not infatuating that it's true. I'm asking if what I heard was wrong.

Yes, it's wrong. Francis has said the past two seasons that Karmanos has given him the ability to spend what he needs for the right player. Nobody has ever come out and said Canes won't sign long term deals.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Well, his last name seems pretty inaccurate now.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Very good contract.

 

[BB88]

Carolina keeps killing it.

What a beauty contract.

 

[Paralyzer]

Yes, it's wrong. Francis has said the past two seasons that Karmanos has given him the ability to spend what he needs for the right player. Nobody has ever come out and said Canes won't sign long term deals.

A year ago there was a lawsuit brought by Karmanos' (owner) sons against him for $100M because he borrowed that money from the trust fund he set up for his kids for some purpose. It was never disclosed what the money was used for and a number of Quebec sports rags purported that it was for hockey operations. Never confirmed, just rumored. Anyway, the suite was settled, I believe with the settlement not disclosed. That, though, has nothing to do with an internal cap/budget. The Canes have always operated with an internal budget (all teams do) that has sometimes been lower than the Cap, but not always. That has never precluded them from making long term signings. What you will probably see, however, is that unlike some other clubs that massively front load contracts with bonuses, the Canes don't do that. I suspect you'll see that in this contract. In fact, I'd guess that you might see Slavin's contract escalates the actual salary over the course of the contract like Faulk's contract did.

On an aside, I think the lack of signing bonuses is one reason you don't see many high profile UFA signings here in Carolina.

Pretty much this. Yes, the team has an internal cap (the amount of which isn't public knowledge) but Francis (and Rutherford before him) have always said that Karmanos is flexible on that internal cap number if it helps better the team.



Yes, clearly you heard wrong.

They've only been a cap floor team since they started rebuilding, because what sense does it make to spend a whole bunch of money when you don't expect to be competitive. Now that they've started to turn the corner they'll spend more. Karmanos has never had a problem spending money when he felt there was a good chance for the team to be competitive.

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. That's all I needed to read. Makes perfect sense to me now. Yeah the whole lawsuit with his kids was what I was thinking. But if things have changed since then, I'm happy to hear that.

 

[CupofOil]

That's quite a deal for Carolina. It seems like a lot of Dmen sign for discounted RFA deals compared to forwards. My Oilers with two of them in Klefbom and Larsson. Josi, McDonagh, Faulk, Hamonic are other examples. Good for Carolina, building something special down there.

 

[Unsustainable]

Wow... Impressive... Now I'm jealous

I wish I had a highlight video of everyone who tried to come into the offensive zone on his side. It's ridiculous to watch him seamlessly take the puck.

 

[1TuchAnd1NoTuch]

Steal

 

[Street Hawk]

Slavin ranked second in the NHL in takeaways, first among league defensemen in shorthanded points and tied for 10th among league blueliners in plus/minus.

He's a beast.

Playing in Carolina, most of the NHL fans don't know much about him.

Impressive that he signed for more than the likes of Lindholm, Reilly, Risto, etc. who have more hype. He's only $100K under Jones, but he gave up 1 additional year of UFA.

 

[Roboturner913]

It will be interesting to see what they do with Pesce now. It would be smart to lock him down ASAP, maybe not for 8 years but at least 4-5.

 

[GoCanes2013]

Doughty has hit 59,51, 46, 44, 40 and 22 (in 48 games). After his rookie season, he's only been under 40 twice (36 and 37). Could be wrong, but I'm saying I don't see Slavin as having even that level of consistent offense.

Just wait and watch. The team has improved offensively, he'll benefit. I bet he hits Doughty's scoring numbers.