Confirmed Signing with Link: [CAR] D Tony DeAngelo signs with the Hurricanes (1 year, $1M)

[mouser]

I’ve always thought his range was somewhere in between Barrie at $4.5M and Krug at $6.5M, with the end number likely being closer to Barrie’s aav. You’d have to think the Canes would be tickled pink if they get him for $4-4.3M. I’d think they’d even go up to 3-4yrs on term if they could.

I’ll repeat my prediction that I think he comes in at 2yrs between $4.75-5.25M.

Neither of those are good comparisons for arbitration purposes as they were both UFA contracts. If anything it would be Barrie's previous $5.5m RFA contract signed after arbitration that would be a comparable, but that was a 4 year deal that bought 2 UFA years.

 

[Chrispy]

Neither of those are good comparisons for arbitration purposes as they were both UFA contracts. If anything it would be Barrie's previous $5.5m RFA contract signed after arbitration that would be a comparable, but that was a 4 year deal that bought 2 UFA years.

It seems like the best comparable is a 2 year $4.8M AAV signed by an RFA in 2020 coming off a 53 point season in 68 games. DeAngelo just finished a 51 point season in 64 games.

Going well above or below that AAV requires either side to argue that Tony DeAngelo is not a good comparison for Tony DeAngelo.

 

[Space umpire]

He just doesn't want to admit that kicking out Gorton was silly so now he will start to credit Gorton moves to Drury saying well the assistant GM was responsible for this or that and blame the previous regime for everything. The only real difference in New York is Shesterkin being the starter now and MIller, Schneider, and Fox all being more experienced. Buch subbed out for Goodrow is a downgrade. Culture my bum.

You insinuate no change then reference 25% of the roster. (And left out Reaves).

 

[Ezpz]

You insinuate no change then reference 25% of the roster. (And left out Reaves).

All the guys I mentioned were brought in by Gorton. Not sure you know how drafting works.

 

[Idlerlee]

Is an adult not responsible for how he behaves in a social setting?

 

[beowulf]

Is an adult not responsible for how he behaves in a social setting?

Yes

It does amaze me that we have not heard of any issues with him this season. Maybe he finally figured acting out might put an early end to his payday as a hockey player in the NHL...

 

[Jaska]

Or he is a Jerk?

 

[Ola]

Or he is a Jerk?

Honestly, I think TDA's issues have been way way overstated. During his time in NY there was a clear power struggle between management and the core players and veterans in the room. It lead to Dolan cleaning house basically firing everyone.

Did TDA help the old management's cause in this regard? Nah, as I've understood it he was the most vocal of them all (the players) and told select members of management in their face what the rest was saying in the room. That is what it is, plenty to not like about it. But at the same time, it is a very rare environment. By all accounts many, most, really liked TDA and thought that he was a very good teammate and so forth. When Marc Staal in Detroit went out and defended TDA, it does tell you a lot. If you haven't seen it, his message was like 'listening to how people think TDA is and what they are speculating about, and reality, its two totally different things. He was very well liked and sure he is a big character, but 99% of the time he was a great asset' -- very roughly (lol).

 

[seafoam]

He looked pretty good last night in the short amount of time I watched the game. Does CAR have enough cap to re-sign him?

 

[The Red Line]

He should sign long term at a slight discount. Keep the fans happy and while remaining off the radar.

That's what the Canes would want, but why would you do that if you are DeAngelo. He's already missed out on millions of dollars potentially with all the stuff that went on but still performs and produces at an elite level. He should do everything he can to get paid now.

 

[TotalHomer]

Is an adult not responsible for how he behaves in a social setting?

No.

 

[spockBokk]

He looked pretty good last night in the short amount of time I watched the game. Does CAR have enough cap to re-sign him?

They’ll have around $23-24M in space to play with this summer. Necas and DeAngelo shouldn’t be a problem. The tough decisions will come with their UFAs - Trocheck and Niederreiter, they can likely only keep one.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Honestly, I think TDA's issues have been way way overstated. During his time in NY there was a clear power struggle between management and the core players and veterans in the room. It lead to Dolan cleaning house basically firing everyone.

Did TDA help the old management's cause in this regard? Nah, as I've understood it he was the most vocal of them all (the players) and told select members of management in their face what the rest was saying in the room. That is what it is, plenty to not like about it. But at the same time, it is a very rare environment. By all accounts many, most, really liked TDA and thought that he was a very good teammate and so forth. When Marc Staal in Detroit went out and defended TDA, it does tell you a lot. If you haven't seen it, his message was like 'listening to how people think TDA is and what they are speculating about, and reality, its two totally different things. He was very well liked and sure he is a big character, but 99% of the time he was a great asset' -- very roughly (lol).

Even given that is true... he's had run ins in Syracuse, Arizona, and New York with management. A guy can be liked by co-workers and still be a nightmare. It would just be something I would not necessarily want to invite into my locker room. It would likely be fine if you added him and if you're a top team, you probably have a locker room that can withstand it. Like how Sean Avery went nutty after he left Detroit, but in Detroit he had Yzerman and Chelios and Shanahan to keep him from acting too shitty. ADA just has a corrosive effect where he goes. Insulate him and you're fine and you're getting a highly talented player. Don't, and you're setting off a bomb in your locker room.

 

[bleedgreen]

Blaming one dressing room when he’s been a noted asshole his entire junior and professional career is rich. He’s been told it’s a last chance at this point.

He was popular in the Rangers room by many accounts. He’s been popular with the Canes.

 

[CapsFrontOffice]

I was wondering how this turned out and it feels good to see DeAngelo rise above. If anything it just shows the Rangers old management pre Wilson was corrupt and DeAngelo was not the problem.

 

[bluesfan94]

He was popular in the Rangers room by many accounts. He’s been popular with the Canes.

Didn't he literally get punched in the face and then demoted?

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I was wondering how this turned out and it feels good to see DeAngelo rise above. If anything it just shows the Rangers old management pre Wilson was corrupt and DeAngelo was not the problem.

Or that punching people with stupid political opinions in the face is a good way to get them to shut up.

 

[bleedgreen]

Didn't he literally get punched in the face and then demoted?

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Or that punching people with stupid political opinions in the face is a good way to get them to shut up.

There’s a lot more to his time there than the one incident and it isn’t hard to find.

 

[bluesfan94]

There’s a lot more to his time there than the one incident and it isn’t hard to find.

If you're telling me he got punched in the face multiple times, I'm all for it.

 

[Stubu]

He just gotta keep his mouth shut and preferably be in a small market without much media attention. Say what you want about him as a person but the guy is an amazing hockey player. I wonder what he gets if he goes to arbitration, should be a pretty high number with his offensive numbers.

Problem is, the Cup contending Canes don't want to trade him, so how does he get to a small market without much media attention?

 

[Stubu]

I'm counting the days until the Canes will throw this headcase out of the team. It's not about his controversial opinions on twitter. It's about him finding a way to not be a total cancer in the squad. He shouldn't be behaving like a 16 year old, uneducated, toxic moron with low self esteem, but he still does, at the age of 26.

Hence the low salary. Small risk, great reward. DeAngelo himself should realize this is his absolutely last chance to play in the NHL. Can he refrain and retrain himself from not being himself? Be polite, not be an a-hole, not be a cancer to team morale, all of that? We will see. The number of teams who have thrown him out is remarkable. Truly remarkable. Only his hockey talent has saved himself from becoming total pariah way earlier on. If he can't change himself this time, he will be.

I'm not judgemental. I see it as this: fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me five times, shame on me not listening to perpetual history. But everyone can change if they have the will. Everything says DeAngelo won't.

DeAngelo is like a worse version of Sean Avery in terms of personality and just a tad bit more talented. In this day and age, he has worned out his welcome slowly but surely in every team he has played for.

Are you still counting? You can admit this has aged like fine milk.

 

[Chimpradamus]

Are you still counting? You can admit this has aged like fine milk.

We're not even one season in, I don't know what you're talking about at this point. Patience, we need a timeline.

NYR paid him a $4.8 million, 2 year contract before they threw him out of the organization, remember? At the start of his first year? I don't think you get the grasp around a player like DeAngelo and his troubled past. And ALL the organizations that wanted to get rid of him, regardless of his apparent skill. Have you ever reflected upon that little thing?

Do you want a hint? Watch what happens when the team struggles - and/ or he struggles. How will he handle it, this time? If he has matured and can function as a solid teammate, great. If not, well... that has happened a bunch of times before. Then he will do something incredibly stupid and cost you the game - or lower morale in the locker room. Or something.

I guess luckily for him a successful team can easily handle him since he's mostly winning and his egocentric ego doesn't go haywire that much. As for what he becomes if there's adversity, well... my message has more aged like wine. Or I don't know? Is he still a child or a hockey player when he struggles again? The only answer is if DeAngelo has for the 4th or 5th time learnt anything from his quite blatant mistakes. I think it's ridiculous, even for the mental insight of an ordinary hockey player to fail that hard on such an easy aspect of a career.
DON'T BE AN ASSHOLE TO YOUR OWN TEAMMATES. Such a tough message to learn for some people.

How can you allow your own struggles to be a significant burden for your teammates. 4-5 times or so? It's honestly pathetic. Have you ever considered why he was so cheap to sign? It wasn't his hockey skills.

If I would put it this way, I think DeAngelo is a highly skilled, mobile defenseman but he's the LAST guy you want as leadership in the room - and preferably not disrupt it. Unless he has matured and realized he can't be his young self. If he at 25+ years old can prove he won't become unhinged like some screaming toddler when things don't go his way, well, then you will be correct. Congratulations! There's always a chance he's not entirely self destructive as a person.

As for me as a NYR fan, I think they should've given him a last chance, but then again, he's not a loss for the D quality NYR has. And the franchise statement that you cannot be an asshole to your mates and think you will keep your job is important, even if you're struggling.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Even given that is true... he's had run ins in Syracuse, Arizona, and New York with management. A guy can be liked by co-workers and still be a nightmare. It would just be something I would not necessarily want to invite into my locker room. It would likely be fine if you added him and if you're a top team, you probably have a locker room that can withstand it. Like how Sean Avery went nutty after he left Detroit, but in Detroit he had Yzerman and Chelios and Shanahan to keep him from acting too shitty. ADA just has a corrosive effect where he goes. Insulate him and you're fine and you're getting a highly talented player. Don't, and you're setting off a bomb in your locker room.

So also consider this... the 2019-2020 season the Canes went out and traded for Erik Haula as we had a need for a 2C. By all accounts, Haula was a dick and did not fit in with the locker room at all and butt heads with Rod. The Canes shipped him out at the trade deadline in a package deal for Trochek (who has been awesome for us). So, I think it's safe to say, if a player were causing problems in the locker room the org doesn't have an issue with getting rid of them. Seems like TDA is getting along just fine and obviously providing a ton of value on the ice.

 

[blankall]

TDA is not the only loudmouth right winger in the NHL. There are multiple players with the same views in every dressing room in the NHL, TDA just puts more of his crap than average on social media. If people were expecting TDA to be ostracized by every dressing room in the league for being a pro-Trumper, then they were way off. Hockey is a sport composed of people from rural areas and/or rich kids.

We all want to believe our NHL heroes are the sensitive guys we see in all the inclusion material the NHL is releasing, but a lot them are just rich jocks.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

TDA is not the only loudmouth right winger in the NHL. There are multiple players with the same views in every dressing room in the NHL, TDA just puts more of his crap than average on social media. If people were expecting TDA to be ostracized by every dressing room in the league for being a pro-Trumper, then they were way off. Hockey is a sport composed of people from rural areas and/or rich kids.

We all want to believe our NHL heroes are the sensitive guys we see in all the inclusion material the NHL is releasing, but a lot them are just rich jocks.

It’s got nothing to do with pro-trump. Hell, it’s got nothing to do with social media. He was in Syracuse, they sent him packing because an on-ice incident. He was in Arizona, they sent him packing. Maybe that was social media, I forget, but they sent him out with a need for a talented D. He was in New York, they sent him packing for an after game incident and ate 10M in salary.

DeAngelo has to prove every day that he’s not that kid. If it was once, benefit of the doubt. Hell, if it was twice, maybe the teams are run really poorly. But third time, you keep him on the shortest leash you can find and cut him loose if he does another. I’d say 1x1 was a pretty short leash.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yes

It does amaze me that we have not heard of any issues with him this season. Maybe he finally figured acting out might put an early end to his payday as a hockey player in the NHL...

This sums up his change in behavior since last year.

It's not that he's changed his opinions, it's that he's stopped showing his ass at every opportunity. If TDA has figured out how to co-exist with other people, then there's nothing to talk about.