Confirmed Trade: [CAR/COL/CHI] Mikko Rantanen (50%), Taylor Hall, Nils Juntorp to CAR; Martin Necas, Jack Drury, '25 2nd, '26 4th to COL; '25 3rd to CHI for retention

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Well if you’re going to base your argument on who you thought the captain was, you should probably know or you just sound stupid.
What argument? I was stating how this trade made me happy on a couple of levels. Would it be better if I said their "Locker Room Leader" or "Best Player"? There was no conflict. No hot takes. Not everything related to hockey is an argument. So I guess we both stated something nonfactual in our posts. Is this a bonding moment?
 
Let's see how this pans out during the spring.

If Mikko doesn't light up the world on Carolina & Landeskog can't play hockey anymore, it'd be quite funny to see Colorado to sign Rantanen 12x8 next summer, and to keep Necas at least for one season more.

I don't know if it's possible number wise realistically, but weirder things have happened in NHL.
 
Also I was surprised at how big Necas is. For a guy with that kind of skating ability I thought he was like 5’10 not 6’3
he doesn't really use it which is a shame. would love to see him workout with mackinnon for one summer. he could be a top winger in the league if he has nates conditioning
 
Let's see how this pans out during the spring.

If Mikko doesn't light up the world on Carolina & Landeskog can't play hockey anymore, it'd be quite funny to see Colorado to sign Rantanen 12x8 next summer, and to keep Necas at least for one season more.

I don't know if it's possible number wise realistically, but weirder things have happened in NHL.
Colorado can only offer him a 7 year deal now. Only Carolina can give him 8
 
Everyone keeps alluding to Colorado not wanting to spend to cap because of Friedman. Avs have always been a team spending to the cap and will continue. Kroenke has so much money he always will. The Avs are being careful because Makar is going to need an extension soon. And we're unsure the future of Landeskog. Kinda careless for Friedman to say something like that.

It will depend what happens on the higher cap. Quite a difference between $88M vs $100M. There is no way to spin this, the cap rising to $100M will favor the big market teams that bring in the revenue. It will further favor teams like the Knights and Stars who generate top 10 revenue and are low tax states.

A team like the Avs may still spend to the max cap but then you wonder about the business case. Are you making money or is the owner willing to overspend to win. Around half the NHL earns $200M or more in revenue. The ones who make less will not want to spend to the max cap. It's pure numbers.
 
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First you compared it to average citizens and then you say the owner gets more money. Both flawed. It's deeper than just a paycheck. It's greed when you are already set for life and it does not affect the owners. It affects your GM and your fellow teammates.

Rantanen has earned $58M up to this point. When you apply his next contract ($11.5M vs $13.5M lets say), it's the difference between $150M vs $166M. Give me break with your chasing a pay check narrative.

Poor guy will only take home $75M vs $83M after taxes. He needs to chase a bigger pay check to "support his family and protect them" :laugh:
This reeks of jealousy and is a bad look. Where does it end? Should Makar sign for $1 million in salary? That’s a great salary for most people. It’s a business at the end of the day, the players are the primary draw that helps generate so much of the league’s revenue. There is nothing amoral about seeking what they are worth.
 
This reeks of jealousy and is a bad look. Where does it end? Should Makar sign for $1 million in salary? That’s a great salary for most people. It’s a business at the end of the day, the players are the primary draw that helps generate so much of the league’s revenue. There is nothing amoral about seeking what they are worth.

Saying Makar should sign for $1M proves to me you are not comprehending this well. If you have to exaggerate to support your narrative, it's not a good point.

This has nothing to do with Jealousy. Keep trying
 
Saying Makar should sign for $1M proves to me you are not comprehending this well. If you have to exaggerate to support your narrative, it's not a good point.

This has nothing to do with Jealousy. Keep trying
No, I am comprehending it just fine. At what salary point is it "enough" and players should just sign the first contract that is offered to them, lest they be called "greedy"?
 
No, I am comprehending it just fine. At what salary point is it "enough" and players should just sign the first contract that is offered to them, lest they be called "greedy"?

I don't think you are comprehending it well when you talk Markar at $1M.

Look no further than Mackinnon. He took a little less and no, it was not $1M. MacKinnon and his family will be more than fine financially. He left room for this teammates and this is exactly what I am talking about.
 
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Ah so now you're just dodging the question.

MacKinnon "took less"? He signed for 15 %. He took "less" than what? I'm not sure you comprehend the salary cap that well.

I'm not dogging any question. MacKinnon could have easily went after $14M+ bud. There is no way to spin this, he took less for his team and is still set for life. It's not rocket science to understand.

Go take a break. You started by saying ... "Should Makar take $1M" and I said no, that is nonsense. I say look at the MacKinnon situation. If you don't think he left some money on the table, I don't know what to tell you other than you are just wrong.
 
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If he turned down 11.75, to get 12.5 somewhere else, playing with inferior players, he f***ed up.

Sure, go get your money but 11.75 is pretty solid for a winger playing with the second best player in the league. I mean, from a hockey situation, its best in class.
He'll probably get $14m. The cap is going to be $100m soon.
 
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Or he can play for a better team, higher in the standings and get paid? Colorado with all those "talents" and "perks" are struggling to win every night.

To be fair, Colorado's record is 16-8-2 since December 1st.

I only single out that date because that was when they acquired Scott Wedgewood. Carolina is 14-9-3 in the same span and only has 1 more win overall.
 
Tampa's two cups during shortened seasons is an asterisk for sure. And that season where they were like $19M over the cap in the playoffs was a huge advantage. I guess they played their cards right but if we look back in 5+ years and it's 2 shortened Covid cup seasons, that does make it a blemish



I'm not dogging any question. MacKinnon could have easily went after $14M+ bud. There is no way to spin this, he took less for his team and is still set for life. It's not rocket science to understand.

Go take a break. You started by saying ... "Should Makar take $1M" and I said no, that is nonsense. I say look at the MacKinnon situation. If you don't think he left some money on the table, I don't know what to tell you other than you are just wrong.
So still no answer on what’s “enough”?

Why didn’t MacKinnon only sign for $9.5 million? Surely that would have helped the team even more. You’re still rich if you make $9.5 million. Was that “greed”?
 
He helped the Av’s win the Cup and now he wants to be paid I don’t blame him but if you price yourself off the team then don’t be upset when you get traded it’s all business!
True. But clearly Rantanen is the better player in this trade, so the Avs go backwards. Maybe sign him and keep their Cup window open?
 
It will depend what happens on the higher cap. Quite a difference between $88M vs $100M. There is no way to spin this, the cap rising to $100M will favor the big market teams that bring in the revenue. It will further favor teams like the Knights and Stars who generate top 10 revenue and are low tax states.

A team like the Avs may still spend to the max cap but then you wonder about the business case. Are you making money or is the owner willing to overspend to win. Around half the NHL earns $200M or more in revenue. The ones who make less will not want to spend to the max cap. It's pure numbers.
The Colorado Avalanche are owned by someone who owns the the LA Rams, Denver Nuggets, and Arsenal. They’re not a team with limited funds.
 
He'll probably get $14m. The cap is going to be $100m soon.
Doubt it but who knows. He didn’t return a whole lot and his team values him at sub 12 so my guess would be closer to 12 than 14z

Torontos third best player makes $11.5M, less than what the Avs offered here
Right, and even at 11.5 they have struggled to build enough depth to be competitive. Supports my point.
 
To be fair, Colorado's record is 16-8-2 since December 1st.

I only single out that date because that was when they acquired Scott Wedgewood. Carolina is 14-9-3 in the same span and only has 1 more win overall.
Canes have been having to play Spencer Martin and Dustin Tokarski in goal for a lot of the year. Now that Andersen is back to tandem with Kochetkov, in addition to the Rants and Hall moves I would except some more upward mobility there.
 
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