Confirmed Trade: [CAR/COL/CHI] Mikko Rantanen (50%), Taylor Hall, Nils Juntorp to CAR; Martin Necas, Jack Drury, '25 2nd, '26 4th to COL; '25 3rd to CHI for retention

[Calderon]

Haven't read the thread in its entirety so I'm not sure if it's been mentioned but the former NHL'er Jussi Jokinen brought up an interesting view on NHL broadcast the other day: given how renting Guentzel turned out in Caroline, the franchise may want to sign Rantanen quickly and if they don't see eye to eye they might end up trading him before the trade deadline. Now that'd be wild but there's definitely sound logic involved, they just can't let a high profile first line winger walk out without any compensation two years in a row.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Hey you're maybe not gonna want to hear this but Spencer Martin's stats are worse than Georgiev's this year sooo....

Hey, you’re going to want to hear this.

Alexandar Georgiev played 18 of Colorado’s 26 games before he was traded.

Spencer Martin has appeared in 9 of the 50 games Carolina have played this season.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Haven't read the thread in its entirety so I'm not sure if it's been mentioned but the former NHL'er Jussi Jokinen brought up an interesting view on NHL broadcast the other day: given how renting Guentzel turned out in Caroline, the franchise may want to sign Rantanen quickly and if they don't see eye to eye they might end up trading him before the trade deadline. Now that'd be wild but there's definitely sound logic involved, they just can't let a high profile first line winger walk out without any compensation two years in a row.

They just can’t go into the playoffs with Aho/Jarvis/Svechnikov as the frontline scorers.

They’ll be okay is the worst case scenario. Their passiveness in the past is allowing them to be aggressive now. They still have all top prospects and future 1sts.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I don't see RBA splitting up Rantanen-Aho 5o5, but I could be wrong. I am curious if a line with Svechnikov on the other wing can help elevate Svech a bit offensively. At one point, I thought he had the makings of a 40-50 goal, 90-100 point player but he hasn't been close to that.

We’ll see if it lasts, but on Saturday they rolled a line of Hall-Kotkaniemi-Svechnikov which was really effective. It feels like three underachievers which is bad, but it’s also three big powerful guys who can crash and bang for possession, with some speed on the wings.

We can assume Rantanen skates with Aho, and Staal and Martinook are always going to skate together, so add a third guy to each of those lines and you’ve got your top 9. For now, Jarvis goes to the Staal line because he’s so good defensively.

That puts hot-handed rookie Jackson Blake on the first line, but Roslovic is still in the mix and is not going to be a 4th liner forever.

I don’t see Rod splitting Rantanen and Aho. Staal and Kotkaniemi are the sort of centers who just go stand in front of the net or grind along the boards. Pairing them with a high-level offensive winger is a waste of that winger’s talent.

 

[bleedgreen]

Haven't read the thread in its entirety so I'm not sure if it's been mentioned but the former NHL'er Jussi Jokinen brought up an interesting view on NHL broadcast the other day: given how renting Guentzel turned out in Caroline, the franchise may want to sign Rantanen quickly and if they don't see eye to eye they might end up trading him before the trade deadline. Now that'd be wild but there's definitely sound logic involved, they just can't let a high profile first line winger walk out without any compensation two years in a row.

I’m torn. I’m a little concerned about the value they’ll get out of this contract so I don’t think it’s the worst idea. They’ve given themselves a little runway to try the guy out and see if there’s a deal to be made.

I think no matter how good Rants is, teams are built down the middle and I feel we took this deal because we got the retention and we won’t with the Vancouver guys. We still need to upgrade center and that’ll be tough if we pay Rants full value.

Still, I highly doubt we would trade Rants. I also think we probably won’t sign him.

 

[tarheelhockey]

they just can't let a high profile first line winger walk out without any compensation two years in a row.

That’s true when it’s a homegrown player, but you expect rentals to leave more often than not.

But I do think there’s some logic in trading for the rental in January, giving him a 6 week tryout and a contract offer, and then moving him if he’s not interested. Presumably you would get a similar package to what you just spent to acquire him, so the whole thing becomes a messy wash but you also resolved your original cap issue while taking a swing at elite talent.

 

[TheBeard]

I’m torn. I’m a little concerned about the value they’ll get out of this contract so I don’t think it’s the worst idea. They’ve given themselves a little runway to try the guy out and see if there’s a deal to be made.

I think no matter how good Rants is, teams are built down the middle and I feel we took this deal because we got the retention and we won’t with the Vancouver guys. We still need to upgrade center and that’ll be tough if we pay Rants full value.

Still, I highly doubt we would trade Rants. I also think we probably won’t sign him.

I feel like that would be idiocy not re-signing him. If Carolina is going into these playoffs with him as a rental WITHOUT beefing up their goaltending is criminal.

 

[elmaco]

I feel like that would be idiocy not re-signing him. If Carolina is going into these playoffs with him as a rental WITHOUT beefing up their goaltending is criminal.

There's gonna be departures if they let Rants too walk. Demoralizing.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

That’s true when it’s a homegrown player, but you expect rentals to leave more often than not.

But I do think there’s some logic in trading for the rental in January, giving him a 6 week tryout and a contract offer, and then moving him if he’s not interested. Presumably you would get a similar package to what you just spent to acquire him, so the whole thing becomes a messy wash but you also resolved your original cap issue while taking a swing at elite talent.

Unless that similar package comes with another cap question mark lol

 

[Chrispy]

There's gonna be departures if they let Rants too walk. Demoralizing.

Carolina is opening up $35-$40M in cap space depending on where the cap ends up for 25-26.

They can sign Rantanen and still replace Andersen and upgrade 2C and possibly bring in a RD as well. They have kids they can backfill for some of the other slots, led by Nikishin taking a spot on D and letting Orlov walk.

And even if Rantanen walks for some reason, that's even more money they can use to either sign or trade for players to replace to field a strong team next year.

But given there were pie in the sky comments hoping Rantanen would go to July 1 and Carolina could make a huge offer, I hope they do re-sign him and then fill in those other spots.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYANTHINGS]

I’m torn. I’m a little concerned about the value they’ll get out of this contract so I don’t think it’s the worst idea. They’ve given themselves a little runway to try the guy out and see if there’s a deal to be made.

I think no matter how good Rants is, teams are built down the middle and I feel we took this deal because we got the retention and we won’t with the Vancouver guys. We still need to upgrade center and that’ll be tough if we pay Rants full value.

Still, I highly doubt we would trade Rants. I also think we probably won’t sign him.

At the end of the day you traded a depth F in Drury, whom you have plenty of.

And you traded a W for a better W (no offense to Necas fans) and Hall.

So it's not like the Canes got any weaker at C than before. But big upgrade in offensive power.

For one year it's a hell of a good get.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Yikes. AVS got hosed!

Not sure what they are thinkng espeically since Rantanen came out and said he was willling to take a major paycut to stay with AVS.

I also think they should have and could have returned more than they did.

What an underwhelming return for one of the best players in the league.

If it makes Avs fan feel better, Chicago lost this trade.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Yes, some fans would lose their minds. Think Avs fans with the Rantanen trade x100. As for Mario, he sold most of his share to Fenway a few years ago and isn't as dialed in these days, nor does he have an equity bat. The Pens hitching their wagon to Dubas indicates they knew this possibility was inevitable, which is why they hired a young, progressive, egomaniac for the tear-down job (I lived through Dubas in Toronto, ugh).

Kyle is brazen enough to put Sid on a plane to Colorado or anyplace else, regardless of the backlash. Unless Sid is threatening a bitter retirement if approached with a trade, Dubas is no doubt working the phones.

They hired the guy who couldn’t tear down Toronto and caved to the core 4 on what they wanted despite years of playoff failure to tear down the Pens?

 

[bleedgreen]

At the end of the day you traded a depth F in Drury, whom you have plenty of.

And you traded a W for a better W (no offense to Necas fans) and Hall.

So it's not like the Canes got any weaker at C than before. But big upgrade in offensive power.

For one year it's a hell of a good get.

The Canes were already pretty weak at center. I don’t view Drury as a loss there. He’s a bottom six center and we have two other guys like that plus other options for the 4C.

The Canes biggest need imo was a 2C, though size and consistent goal scoring could be argued as the biggest need too and we got that in Rants. KK is playing well lately but that’s happened before, I don’t take us too seriously as a cup threat with KK as the 2C.

 

[Calderon]

Still, I highly doubt we would trade Rants. I also think we probably won’t sign him.

If I try to imagine myself in the shoes of Rantanen or any UFA in a similar situation I think it's overwhelmingly difficult to not let myself hear offers from every team that's interested in me. In the same vein so much more goes into choosing a team than just nominal salary figures: the tax situation is utterly significant and something like property market and what the city has to offer (culture, other sports, night life, climate, NHL fandom) play such big parts as well.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Interesting report this morning with Rantanen saying he was willing to take a significant discount to stay with the AVS.

Does this change people's opinion on whether or not The AVS did the right thing? Rants at a significant discount from his market value sure sounds like something the AVS could have done long term.

Mikko Rantanen blindsided by trade: 'I was willing to take a significant discount' | TSN

Mikko Rantanen said Monday he was blindsided by the blockbuster trade that sent him from the Colorado Avalanche to the Carolina Hurricanes on Friday night.

www.tsn.ca

 

[oXo Cube]

Well the most obvious evidence that this isn't entirely honest is that the Avalanche traded him.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Interesting report this morning with Rantanen saying he was willing to take a significant discount to stay with the AVS.

Does this change people's opinion on whether or not The AVS did the right thing? Rants at a significant discount from his market value sure sounds like something the AVS could have done long term.

Mikko Rantanen blindsided by trade: 'I was willing to take a significant discount' | TSN

Mikko Rantanen said Monday he was blindsided by the blockbuster trade that sent him from the Colorado Avalanche to the Carolina Hurricanes on Friday night.

www.tsn.ca

What is a significant discount?

Because if the guy thinks, "I don't want quite as much as Leon" is a discount, I dunno what to tell you. The Avs have to sign Makar in a year and a half. Probably gonna cost them $15M, if not more.

 

[Tralfamadore]

The salary is only half the story. I really think management was not happy with the effort they were seeing from him this year and probably felt that money was better spent elsewhere in the lineup.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If Rantanen was willing to take the same or less than MacKinnon, I think the Avs would have re-signed him. I'm inclined to not believe this "I was willing to take a significant discount" claim.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Interesting report this morning with Rantanen saying he was willing to take a significant discount to stay with the AVS.

Does this change people's opinion on whether or not The AVS did the right thing? Rants at a significant discount from his market value sure sounds like something the AVS could have done long term.

Mikko Rantanen blindsided by trade: 'I was willing to take a significant discount' | TSN

Mikko Rantanen said Monday he was blindsided by the blockbuster trade that sent him from the Colorado Avalanche to the Carolina Hurricanes on Friday night.

www.tsn.ca

Not really. It’s a nothing statement. There are no numbers.
He said he was milling to take a significant discount from his market value.

What does he deem is his market value?12M? 13M? 14M? 15M?
What does significant mean? 250k AAV?
500K AAV? 2M AAV?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Rantanen signing with the Avalanche July 1st confirmed E5.

 

[Avs44]

Interesting report this morning with Rantanen saying he was willing to take a significant discount to stay with the AVS.

Does this change people's opinion on whether or not The AVS did the right thing? Rants at a significant discount from his market value sure sounds like something the AVS could have done long term.

Mikko Rantanen blindsided by trade: 'I was willing to take a significant discount' | TSN

Mikko Rantanen said Monday he was blindsided by the blockbuster trade that sent him from the Colorado Avalanche to the Carolina Hurricanes on Friday night.

www.tsn.ca

Unless he puts an actual number behind that it doesn't really mean anything. Apparently a week before the trade he turned down 8 years at either 11.75 million or 12 million per year. Friedman said he and his agent were holding to Draisaitl's 14 million (same agent) and might have been willing to come off that a bit but maybe they figured a "significant discount" relative to what he could get July 1 (where maybe a desperate team would go up to 15 million) was 13.5 million or something, y'know?

 

[bleedgreen]

If I try to imagine myself in the shoes of Rantanen or any UFA in a similar situation I think it's overwhelmingly difficult to not let myself hear offers from every team that's interested in me. In the same vein so much more goes into choosing a team than just nominal salary figures: the tax situation is utterly significant and something like property market and what the city has to offer (culture, other sports, night life, climate, NHL fandom) play such big parts as well.

100%. You wait ten years to have your own choice. Why/how do you give it up a couple of months before you get to the finish line? There should be no guilt about leaving your new team. You didn’t ask to be traded to them, and in this case to be traded at all.

I think it’s a poor choice to sign before hearing the options. It’s the rest of his career. I say this as a Canes fan.

 

[KovalchukFistPump]

Btw isn't Taylor Hall a negative asset at his current contract?