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Would you give Matthews the C?

  • Yes - do it during this season

    Votes: 9 10.2%

  • Yes - do it in the offseason

    Votes: 33 37.5%

  • Yes - when tavares’ contract is up

    Votes: 28 31.8%

  • No - JT should always be our captain until he retires

    Votes: 18 20.5%
  • Total voters
    88
Twine Tickler said:
Tavares has performed at a pt/g pace since landing in TO. He does so much outside of that stat sheet that contributes to the success of the team. He, like everyone else on this roster is not immune from bad games. Last night was arguably one of his worst games in a leaf Uni. Maybe the worst. He is a determined individual who comes ready to play 95% of the time. In retrospect I would have given the C to Matthews. It was the right time. But JT hasn't done anything to warrant losing the C as of yet. Similar to the bruins with Chara/Bergy. Bergy was always the leader of that team. Chara had just been the guy before him. Everyone knew it was an inevitability that Patrice would get the C at some point, but it never hindered their ability to win a cup and go to the finals 2 other times. The boys in the room know who the leaders are. Matthews doesn't need the C to have that known
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How about Toews getting the C in Chicago instead of Kane because they still won three Stanley Cups, even though Kane might have been their better player when you look at his stats compared to Toews.
 
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Stephen said:
Stripping him of the Leafs captaincy would be followed up by a lot of turmoil. Like a trade, buyout or Robidas Island scenario. It would definitely be a nuclear option.
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I think the only time in Maple Leafs history when a captain had the C taken away was when Harold Ballard did that to Darryl Sittler, even though he got it back.
 
I always get a chuckle from people talking about who the captain of a team should be without being in the room. The players know who they look to etc. etc. etc. That said, even though I wouldn't have voted anyway, what a horrible list of options in the poll [sorry about saying that OP but really?]
 
The only reason Tavares got the C was because of Matthews making bad offseason decisions. The team was left in an awkward spot of making clear they were about to announce their Captain and then having their guy looking bad right before they were set to announce it.

So in that sense I didn’t have any issue with Tavares being the fallback plan. It was a safe pick considering the situation.

Perfectly fine to open the discussion about how long Tavares will have the C. I think you could pretty respectfully make the change in the offseason without much issue. Enough time has passed I think to let their guy be their guy.
 
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We are searching for a third line. I wonder if dropping Tavares may be worth trying? I am a fan of Nylander, but his lack of compete drives me crazy sometimes. Maybe try him back at center again ? Not really sure how to slot the wingers to be honest. Hoping Robertson can make a difference. I am pulling for Thornton, but not convinced he helps the team at this stage in his career. Left him 1st line for now, because I don't know where else you can hide him.

Thornton Mathews Marner
Robertson Nylander Mikeyev
Hyman Tavares Kerfoot
Simmonds Boyd Spezza
 
Mats13 said:
It should’ve been Matthews when it was announced.
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This was always gonna be his team. You can count on the Dubes to mess up just about everything he touches though. It pretty much ensures he doesn't resign either imho.
 
Iapyi said:
I always get a chuckle from people talking about who the captain of a team should be without being in the room. The players know who they look to etc. etc. etc. That said, even though I wouldn't have voted anyway, what a horrible list of options in the poll [sorry about saying that OP but really?]
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Well, the organization made a point to add veteran leadership and characters in the room, so that's got to be a comment on not having enough of it as of 2019-20.
 
This is not even an issue worth having and I don't know why people are discussing it. This is fishing to bottom of the barrel for shit to bitch about, we got bigger problems than this.
 
MapleLeafs77 said:
This is something I always believed to be honest and now people are starting to realize since the honeymoon is over.

Matthews should have always been the captain of this team. By far our best player and clearly the leader on this team if we are going anywhere. Babcock got his way on this and decided to give it to vet.

JT is not the superstar we all think he is. He is good/great mostly but he is more of that secondary piece with mitch and will. Help support matty.

I think the C is weighing him down and he just isnt that good anymore.

Would you consider an exchange of the C any time soon?
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I can agree, Tavares is a great player and is just in the off-set of his prime but when you think of the Leafs you think of Matthews.

Austons our franchise player and he's the one who should have been awarded the C.
 
The right decision was made at the time. AM34 will be captain some day if he remains with the team. The episode in the off season set him back. JT was already a captain and was better prepared to handle the pressure and off ice issues. I believe it was a reward for choosing the Leafs in free agency anyway.
What I don't believe is all the BS about 2 other teams offering more money (ie 13m by SJ) very very doubtful!
 
Stephen said:
Well, the organization made a point to add veteran leadership and characters in the room, so that's got to be a comment on not having enough of it as of 2019-20.
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Forgetting about the contract he had when he played in Toronto, do you think last season the Leafs missed someone who was a veteran like Patrick Marleau and whatever leadership he might have brought to the team?
 
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baton elevated said:
The right decision was made at the time. AM34 will be captain some day if he remains with the team. The episode in the off season set him back. JT was already a captain and was better prepared to handle the pressure and off ice issues. I believe it was a reward for choosing the Leafs in free agency anyway.
What I don't believe is all the BS about 2 other teams offering more money (ie 13m by SJ) very very doubtful!
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It was reported multiple times that San Jose offered Tavares $13 million.

How the Toronto Maple Leafs signed John Tavares - Sportsnet.ca

Wilson wouldn’t discuss San Jose’s pitch, but word is he told Tavares, “You are the final piece for us.” It has also been rumoured (but never confirmed) that the Sharks were willing to pay $13.5 million per year for seven years. “That was a confident group,” one source says. “They felt they were the best option for John, and they showed it.”

John Tavares, Sharks face off with no regrets over how free agency unfolded - Sportsnet.ca

They were even willing to go as high as $91-million to sign No. 91, which is $2-million more per season on a seven-year deal than he ended up getting from the Toronto Maple Leafs.
 
LeafsNation75 said:
It was reported multiple times that San Jose offered Tavares $13 million.

How the Toronto Maple Leafs signed John Tavares - Sportsnet.ca

Wilson wouldn’t discuss San Jose’s pitch, but word is he told Tavares, “You are the final piece for us.” It has also been rumoured (but never confirmed) that the Sharks were willing to pay $13.5 million per year for seven years. “That was a confident group,” one source says. “They felt they were the best option for John, and they showed it.”

John Tavares, Sharks face off with no regrets over how free agency unfolded - Sportsnet.ca

They were even willing to go as high as $91-million to sign No. 91, which is $2-million more per season on a seven-year deal than he ended up getting from the Toronto Maple Leafs.
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Doesn't prove anything to me. Everyone is free to believe what they want, I rely on facts not hearsay.
 
I don't. Most of those insiders are just regurgitated rumors. I don't mean to be confrontational, it's just what my opinion. Bennett has been on the anyday now trade front for a month.
 
Iapyi said:
I always get a chuckle from people talking about who the captain of a team should be without being in the room. The players know who they look to etc. etc. etc. That said, even though I wouldn't have voted anyway, what a horrible list of options in the poll [sorry about saying that OP but really?]
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lmao
 
The leaders are those who prove that they want to win and prove that they will give their best regardless of what others do on the team. Look at Michael Jordan, played for the Bulls when he got drafted he said he wanted the Bulls to be respected like Lakers and Celtics. He did it for a team no one knew of. Stop complaining and wasting your time it's all about winning nothing else matters.
 
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