Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines/etc) | 2024-25 Summer Edition

[wickedwitch]

Uhh, what?

I thought this would be in reference to one of Sandin or Fehervary but I guess not. I mean, they seem to love Muggli, Chesley hasn't even signed (maybe he doesn't, but if he does I dunno how to value him, and Iorio is all they have on the right side.

I don't understand this report, it feels like just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. I think they'd be much more likely to move Lapierre or Miro for a bigger upgrade then any of the aforementioned 3.

Agreed. The only d-prospect we have that would return an upgraded forward would be Hutson which would be overkill (and probably stupid). What would we really get for an Iorio or Chesley (for example)?

 

[Pigskin]

dam managing a cap and roster must be complicated

 

[Misery74]

Agreed. The only d-prospect we have that would return an upgraded forward would be Hutson which would be overkill (and probably stupid). What would we really get for an Iorio or Chesley (for example)?

What about Muggli as well?

I think Chesley/Iorio/Muggli, paired with a first? Now we’re talking.

Agree, Hutson, along with RyLo and Cristall would be untouchable.

 

[qc14]

Uhh, what?

I thought this would be in reference to one of Sandin or Fehervary but I guess not. I mean, they seem to love Muggli, Chesley hasn't even signed (maybe he doesn't, but if he does I dunno how to value him, and Iorio is all they have on the right side.

I don't understand this report, it feels like just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. I think they'd be much more likely to move Lapierre or Miro for a bigger upgrade then any of the aforementioned 3.

TBH I think moving Iorio (in the right deal!) makes sense. Feels like there's not really a short, medium, or long-term spot for him here and while he's been good in Hershey he hasn't been great. At the same time though, he's that "NHL ready young player" that teams always go crazy for. Same with Chesley, who is even further back due to a lack of pro games. Muggli feels less likely to go given they just drafted him, although he has taken a step back in the NL this year and was pretty horrendous at the WJC so maybe they see something they don't like.

I will say though that Doerrie is -- to put it kindly -- not the most plugged in ...

 

[um]

TBH I think moving Iorio (in the right deal!) makes sense. Feels like there's not really a short, medium, or long-term spot for him here and while he's been good in Hershey he hasn't been great. At the same time though, he's that "NHL ready young player" that teams always go crazy for. Same with Chesley, who is even further back due to a lack of pro games. Muggli feels less likely to go given they just drafted him, although he has taken a step back in the NL this year and was pretty horrendous at the WJC so maybe they see something they don't like.

I will say though that Doerrie is -- to put it kindly -- not the most plugged in ...

There’s plenty of room for RDs in the future. Carlson is 35, TVR 33 and Roy is 29. Not to mention guys with lower Cap Hits can be useful.

 

[notDkristich]

There’s plenty of room for RDs in the future. Carlson is 35, TVR 33 and Roy is 29. Not to mention guys with lower Cap Hits can be useful.

Concur. I do not see TVR as re-signed after 2025-2026 season. He is the easy target to make room for youth.

 

[Block]

TBH I think moving Iorio (in the right deal!) makes sense. Feels like there's not really a short, medium, or long-term spot for him here and while he's been good in Hershey he hasn't been great. At the same time though, he's that "NHL ready young player" that teams always go crazy for. Same with Chesley, who is even further back due to a lack of pro games. Muggli feels less likely to go given they just drafted him, although he has taken a step back in the NL this year and was pretty horrendous at the WJC so maybe they see something they don't like.

I will say though that Doerrie is -- to put it kindly -- not the most plugged in ...

Yeah, ESPN is a joke at this point.

 

[qc14]

There’s plenty of room for RDs in the future. Carlson is 35, TVR 33 and Roy is 29. Not to mention guys with lower Cap Hits can be useful.

Yea sorry maybe not long-term but in the short and medium term I don't see Iorio getting a spot really unless they move on from TVR this summer, which I also see as unlikely. Just think there's a risk that he turns out to be another AA/LJ where he tops out as a 7 or 8 especially since he's no longer waiver eligible next year. It's not that those guys don't have value or he couldn't be more than that but I think there definitely is an argument to move him now while his value is still high. I'd imagine a team like Vancouver or Buffalo would really value him.

 

[Calicaps]

There’s also Cam Allen…

 

[HTFN]

There’s also Cam Allen…

likely more value keeping him than in trade.

seems like his weird development path would keep his value down, limit return, and also leave the Caps kicking themselves if he pans out.

I wouldn't be mad if they traded him or anything, he's absolutely a lottery ticket even as far as prospects go, but I'd be very interested in seeing what that deal looks like

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I can totally see them moving one of Chesley or Iorio in the right deal. Win now…


Bigger question is are the right players available for acquisition?

 

[Kazer]

Trading a D is conceptually fine, but it's a strange thing to 'report'.

First off, given that the 2025 draft looks relatively weak and that the Caps will be picking near the bottom, I would definitely be open to moving our first and I imagine that the team would too. This is bolstered by the fact the team has two seconds and one of them should be pretty early (Boston's 2nd would be #46 if the draft were held today, which is the exact pick the Caps used to get Fehervary). Caps could also hang onto their first and trade their seconds, possibly using the 1st to recoup two seconds if they don't like who is available at their pick. So, it's rather strange to suggest that the Caps wouldn't consider trading their first (2017 and 2021 beg to differ).

If someone really prefers a D, I'm open to moving anyone other than Hutson, but our prospect pool is definitely heavier on forwards than defenseman at the moment. If it's all the same to the other team, my guess is that BM and CP would move a draft pick or a winger instead of a defenseman.

 

[Cappy76]

If Vancouver doesn't resign Boeser before the deadline he could be on the move he probably would be expensive and a guy that would be a UFA at the end of the season but would be the type of player that I'd be ok with paying the price for if it wasn't crazy steep.

 

[qc14]

I can totally see them moving one of Chesley or Iorio in the right deal. Win now…


Bigger question is are the right players available for acquisition?

Yea it's unfortunate that this year's group of rentals is probably the worst of the last ten years

 

[crazy8888]

Yea it's unfortunate that this year's group of rentals is probably the worst of the last ten years

Just because its tdl, it doesn't mean they only have to target rentals. This management is not afraid to take on term. If they think there is fit out there, they will upgrade rental or not.

 

[Misery74]

If Vancouver doesn't resign Boeser before the deadline he could be on the move he probably would be expensive and a guy that would be a UFA at the end of the season but would be the type of player that I'd be ok with paying the price for if it wasn't crazy steep.

I would give up a first, plus 4/5 prospect for him. Many buyers do not have 2025 firsts.

 

[Melkor]

If I have to choose I'm moving Iorio way before Chesley. Iorio doesn't have enough value to bring back anyone of impact and that's another question. Muggli, Iorio, Alexeyev, TvR should all be available even for a marginable upgrade on offense. All replaceable and don't have any potential you'd beat yourself up for giving up on. Everyone else except for Hutson can be available but only for a trade that gets them a star player.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

If I have to choose I'm moving Iorio way before Chesley. Iorio doesn't have enough value to bring back anyone of impact and that's another question. Muggli, Iorio, Alexeyev, TvR should all be available even for a marginable upgrade on offense. All replaceable and don't have any potential you'd beat yourself up for giving up on. Everyone else except for Hutson can be available but only for a trade that gets them a star player.

I agree in principle….none are untouchable.

Chesley however might WANT to be the guy moving. Still not signed, and lots of names ahead of him in Washington.

TVR however, don’t see that happening. AA doesn’t seem to carry much value either….

 

[Melkor]

If Vancouver doesn't resign Boeser before the deadline he could be on the move he probably would be expensive and a guy that would be a UFA at the end of the season but would be the type of player that I'd be ok with paying the price for if it wasn't crazy steep.

Wanted him at the draft, honestly the Caps pick that year and their entire draft hauls in 16, 17 and 18 look absolutely embarrassing today. They made it up for Samsonov and Johansen by signing Strome as a UFA and getting Dubois for a thin air but that's a pro scouting doing their job. Whoever had been amateur scouting for them back then should have been fired long ago.

 

[Melkor]

I agree in principle….none are untouchable.

Chesley however might WANT to be the guy moving. Still not signed, and lots of names ahead of him in Washington.

TVR however, don’t see that happening. AA doesn’t seem to carry much value either….

TvR is making some solid money and doesn't carry the role that cannot be filled internally. He's also old and God knows when the exact moment his play falls off a cliff is going to happen and hurt them. I don't have any info on Chesley's priorities but I'd wager he sees their right D side and realizes that Carlson is very old, Roy is not someone you should be afraid competing for a spot and TvR is who he is.
If Chesley and Allen are those guys they're going to make this team in a rather near future.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

TvR is making some solid money and doesn't carry the role that cannot be filled internally. He's also old and God knows when the exact moment his play falls off a cliff is going to happen and hurt them. I don't have any info on Chesley's priorities but I'd wager he sees their right D side and realizes that Carlson is very old, Roy is not someone you should be afraid competing for a spot and TvR is who he is.
If Chesley and Allen are those guys they're going to make this team in a rather near future.

On TVR, I’m just saying I don’t see them breaking up a good pairing to move him. Not in season.

Chesley is 2 years from a regular roster spot in DC IMO. Iorio should probably be here on nacho duty next year, taking that AA spot that’s likely soon to be vacated. I see him moved rather than him wanting to extend again.

 

[Melkor]

And yeah, can hold me up to eating some crow down the line on this but Leonard is not going to be the player a vast majority sees him to be. He's going to be a good player, maybe even one of those one-team-lifers if stars align. He's not gonna be a PPG player though and I'd approach him in long-term plans from this standpoint.

On TVR, I’m just saying I don’t see them breaking up a good pairing to move him. Not in season.

Chesley is 2 years from a regular roster spot in DC IMO. Iorio should probably be here on nacho duty next year, taking that AA spot that’s likely soon to be vacated. I see him moved rather than him wanting to extend again.

Who knows? Cristall barely missed making the team in September and nobody thought he'd be that close that soon. Chesley is older and is playing an important role for a good program. People say he's making noticeable steps this season so I hope he's gonna be there with all the usual suspects before next season.

 

[Ridley Simon]

If I have to choose I'm moving Iorio way before Chesley. Iorio doesn't have enough value to bring back anyone of impact and that's another question. Muggli, Iorio, Alexeyev, TvR should all be available even for a marginable upgrade on offense. All replaceable and don't have any potential you'd beat yourself up for giving up on. Everyone else except for Hutson can be available but only for a trade that gets them a star player.

I don’t feel that way about TVR. He can play either side, any pair, and seems comfortable with literally ANY partner.

That’s huge for the playoffs. None of the other guys you mentioned can do it — much less do it well.

 

[DWGie26]

Agree with these last two post. Caps have an open window right now so I don’t see them trading TVR. Their top 6 is strong and plenty of serviceable depth. That looks a lot different if TVR isn’t on the team.

I have also been on record saying Leonard will have no impact this year. I do think he will be a full time NHL guy next year but he won’t help the playoff run this year.

Separately on Dee prospects… they need to get Chesley under contract and then in the offseason we can look at what we want to do on the blueline.

I don’t feel that way about TVR. He can play either side, any pair, and seems comfortable with literally ANY partner.

That’s huge for the playoffs. None of the other guys you mentioned can do it — much less do it well.

TVR is an important piece. And with the window open, he is more valuable to us.

And i think our third line has looked much better the last few games.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

And yeah, can hold me up to eating some crow down the line on this but Leonard is not going to be the player a vast majority sees him to be. He's going to be a good player, maybe even one of those one-team-lifers if stars align. He's not gonna be a PPG player though and I'd approach him in long-term plans from this standpoint.


Who knows? Cristall barely missed making the team in September and nobody thought he'd be that close that soon. Chesley is older and is playing an important role for a good program. People say he's making noticeable steps this season so I hope he's gonna be there with all the usual suspects before next season.

Cristall barely missed from the fan POV. Reality is he was probably being kept so late because the Caps see something special and wanted him around the big club as much as possible before sending him back.


Chesley is probably going to spend 1.5-2 years in Hershey unless he forces his way onto the roster via threat to not sign IMO. Caps slow cook their prospects, D even more than forwards. He doesn’t seem good enough to immediately take a spot from a vet. I’d love for him to prove me wrong.


On Leonard…..who are all these people saying he’s going to be an 80 pt guy? I’ve seen an Oshie comparison tossed around…not much more. I don’t think the “vast majority” see him as a superstar…..All Star potential, yes that’s the hope.

So since you’re cautioning the entire board, let’s get your position clear, you expect Leonard to be what SPECIFICALLY?