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Ill just go off the top of my head fast for top 8 in the east
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2 wild cards open
And the Devils look good
was listening to NHL radio on sirius and they had the caps below the pens with both missing. Im not saying the caps are contenders but imo they have improved the roster significantly while Pitt didnt do anything. I also believe the bruins and hurricanes wont have the easy rides they had the last few years. It will be another tight race in the east and of course injuries will be a huge part of it but the caps on my paper have improved more than a little bit imo. Kuemper was hot garbage last year and the team played different with him. Give the caps half of his losses and changes the picture a bit.
 
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was listening to NHL radio on sirius and they had the caps below the pens with both missing. Im not saying the caps are contenders but imo they have improved the roster significantly while Pitt didnt do anything. I also believe the bruins and hurricanes wont have the easy rides they had the last few years. It will be another tight race in the east and of course injuries will be a huge part of it but the caps on my paper have improved more than a little bit imo. Kuemper was hot garbage last year and the team played different with him. Give the caps half of his losses and changes the picture a bit.
Seeing the predictions for the team this year has really reinforced to me that the rest of the NHL pays zero attention to anything about the Caps besides Ovechkin. I don't think anyone outside DC really appreciates how much the injury/decline situations with Backstrom, Kuznetsov, Oshie, and Kuemper hamstrung the team last year. Like, we all know PLD could under-perform his contract like he did in LA and be a 40 point player, but last year the Caps made the playoffs while starting the year with two centers with similar cap hits to PLD who combined for 18 points in 51 games. Even if the Caps are getting the worst versions of all their new players they'll be an improved team, but the rest of the NHL sees them as the Washington Ovechkins so if he's declining the team must be too.

It's weird because all the articles back in July about offseason winners and losers had the Caps as one of the most improved teams, but that seems to be totally forgotten.
 

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Seeing the predictions for the team this year has really reinforced to me that the rest of the NHL pays zero attention to anything about the Caps besides Ovechkin. I don't think anyone outside DC really appreciates how much the injury/decline situations with Backstrom, Kuznetsov, Oshie, and Kuemper hamstrung the team last year. Like, we all know PLD could under-perform his contract like he did in LA and be a 40 point player, but last year the Caps made the playoffs while starting the year with two centers with similar cap hits to PLD who combined for 18 points in 51 games. Even if the Caps are getting the worst versions of all their new players they'll be an improved team, but the rest of the NHL sees them as the Washington Ovechkins so if he's declining the team must be too.

It's weird because all the articles back in July about offseason winners and losers had the Caps as one of the most improved teams, but that seems to be totally forgotten.
This X1000! On 32 Thoughts, they were talking about young guys who were unexpectedly challenging for roster spots and Friedge mentioned Miro... and my first thought was... you haven't watched a single second of the Caps preseason, he's just the name you know. Because otherwise, he for sure would have said Cristall. I was so annoyed that I almost emailed them.

But eff it.

If the Caps surprise folks, that's probably all to the good.
 

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We gave upgraded the D quite a bit and Goalie play should be strong again. I think scoring goals with be hard again this season. We might even consider running some sort of trap.
 

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Seems a bit dire to have them behind the likes of CGY, SEA, MTL, STL currently. Or that their future prospects are ahead of only one team in the league. The Caps are an easy team to write off...Dom has been doing it for about five years now. Plenty of regression is presumably expected based off of their goal differential, reliance on Lindgren, etc. But they did make some pretty big changes, mostly on the back-end where I expect the process to be fundamentally improved. They may still suffer from their fair share of Big Mistakes and their lack of dominant talent up front may provide little margin most nights. But they're likely to be scrappy. Ovechkin's highly likely to be motivated from the start and they do have a lot of players with something to prove. Going forward their management team isn't bottom tier. They'll have cap space to work with. They need a legit franchise talent post-Ovi to be sure but ranking their future that poorly seems at odds with prospect rankings that haven't been rated that poor for a few years.

Ovechkin will be determined from the outset I think. Strome should have slightly more in him. Roy should be the closest thing to Niskanen they've had. I'm really not sure about Mangiapane on the top line or whether there's too credible an alternative outside of perhaps Wilson. We'll see just how much they can get out of PLD. Chychrun to me is the big key in bumping them up more firmly into contention if he's at his best. He's got so much upside if his defensive game gets buttoned up. They definitely still need a playdriving headliner. Perhaps Leonard and Cristall combined can help steer that where it needs to be, albeit from the wing. C/D high-end play remains a big question mark going forward but consider me an optimist compared to that ranking. And if things truly do get so dire I doubt mgmt. will sit idly by (like some teams) and just accept defeat as so many teams have seemingly for a very long time.
 

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Will Clay Stevenson get some games this year? What’s the plan going forward in net?

Looks like there are some contenders with real question marks in goal, curious to see what the market is like at the TDL for guys like Lindgren or Thompson.
 

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Seems a bit dire to have them behind the likes of CGY, SEA, MTL, STL currently. Or that their future prospects are ahead of only one team in the league. The Caps are an easy team to write off...Dom has been doing it for about five years now. Plenty of regression is presumably expected based off of their goal differential, reliance on Lindgren, etc. But they did make some pretty big changes, mostly on the back-end where I expect the process to be fundamentally improved. They may still suffer from their fair share of Big Mistakes and their lack of dominant talent up front may provide little margin most nights. But they're likely to be scrappy. Ovechkin's highly likely to be motivated from the start and they do have a lot of players with something to prove. Going forward their management team isn't bottom tier. They'll have cap space to work with. They need a legit franchise talent post-Ovi to be sure but ranking their future that poorly seems at odds with prospect rankings that haven't been rated that poor for a few years.

Ovechkin will be determined from the outset I think. Strome should have slightly more in him. Roy should be the closest thing to Niskanen they've had. I'm really not sure about Mangiapane on the top line or whether there's too credible an alternative outside of perhaps Wilson. We'll see just how much they can get out of PLD. Chychrun to me is the big key in bumping them up more firmly into contention if he's at his best. He's got so much upside if his defensive game gets buttoned up. They definitely still need a playdriving headliner. Perhaps Leonard and Cristall combined can help steer that where it needs to be, albeit from the wing. C/D high-end play remains a big question mark going forward but consider me an optimist compared to that ranking. And if things truly do get so dire I doubt mgmt. will sit idly by (like some teams) and just accept defeat as so many teams have seemingly for a very long time.
Pretty optimistic for sure. I hope you're right but the lack of a franchise player is going to be tough to overcome in the not too distant future unless we draft one and there's only one way to do that. They don't grow on trees and typically aren't available for cap space.

That chart is quite bad.
Of course it is because it's not what people want to hear here. :laugh:
 

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Pretty optimistic for sure. I hope you're right but the lack of a franchise player is going to be tough to overcome in the not too distant future unless we draft one and there's only one way to do that. They don't grow on trees and typically aren't available for cap space.


Of course it is because it's not what people want to hear here. :laugh:
No it's because I follow more than one team. It has several wacky picks.

I would have Caps closer to No Man's land and I think the present rating being below 2 is loco.
 
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Pretty optimistic for sure.
Is it? It's nothing exactly pie in the sky. Just that they're probably a bit more mid than being absolutely marginal. A fair share of their immediate future prospects hinges on a couple of pretty small skilled players in Cristall and Hutson. We'll see how that goes but I do think they're a bit underrated here relative to a lot of recent ink about them. I'd probably have them a touch north of Winnipeg on that cycle I guess. Not a vastly different category.

One would think some of the perennially bad teams will figure it out but we'll see. Often it seems like their front offices don't have what it takes to put the right pieces together to get them over the hump and that's not nothing in all of this. Certainly some of the missing headliner type talents Washington will need are likely to be quite hard to come by. They probably won't be able to immediately sign or trade for That Guy right when needed. And we'll see to what extent they'd be prepared to risk taking a step back in a given transitional year, fully embrace youth and adopt a longer view. A lot will come down to luck and fortunate timing probably anyway but I think they've got some modest cultural advantages that may help finesse a transitional stage better than some. That won't outweigh a talent deficit really but it's not as if their system is barren and they're entirely cooked right now either as such a graphic would seem to indicate.
 
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Most rankings of our prospect pool or young (under 23) talent have us in the middle third. So no, I don't agree that our future is anywhere near that dire. It might or might not be good enough to be a contender for a Cup, but that's true for the future of many NHL teams. And most of the remaining teams have futures that are distinctly worse.

It's basically not possible to follow every NHL team and all their top prospects in depth. There's only 24 hours in the day. So some teams are going to get less attention. And that's fine, if you acknowledge this. But the media pretends they're familiar with the Caps and their young talent even when they're clearly not.

I very much do NOT miss him as a commentator, but Pierre McGuire was generally really good on being familiar with all teams.
 
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We've pretty much already turned our roster over in <5 years and gotten a lot younger

The entire "geriatric crew" of Over-30's is:
OV 39 (likely 2025-26 final season)
Carlson 35
Dowd 34 (likely moving at TDL)
TVR 33
McIlrath 32
Lindgren 31
Wilson 30

I think we're more set for a 'soft landing' than most teams

If we can make 1 big trade for a Top Winger over the next year or two and then hit with at least a cpl of Leonard/Cristall/Miro/McMic/Lapi I think we're in decent shape
 
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Ouch. Kind of how I see it too despite the injection of immediate help for this season. The future is very grim unless we sell sell sell and tank it away as soon as Ovi gets the record. Going to be a long hard road back to the top.

The constant clamoring for a tear-down rebuild is puzzling to me. Those are awful and routinely lead to a decade of total suck. The cases where a full rebuild produces a great team are fewer than folks want to admit, take way longer, and depend entirely on getting a generational talent at 1 or 2. But a team can just as easily end up with a Yakupov. It's not a silver bullet.
 

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Will Clay Stevenson get some games this year? What’s the plan going forward in net?

Looks like there are some contenders with real question marks in goal, curious to see what the market is like at the TDL for guys like Lindgren or Thompson.
I would assume he'll get a few games this year. The org is pretty high on him and probably want to see what they have. Of course, with any G injury, he would probably be the first call-up imo.
 

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The constant clamoring for a tear-down rebuild is puzzling to me. Those are awful and routinely lead to a decade of total suck. The cases where a full rebuild produces a great team are fewer than folks want to admit, take way longer, and depend entirely on getting a generational talent at 1 or 2. But a team can just as easily end up with a Yakupov. It's not a silver bullet.
Also, if this doesn't work, they can always tear it down later. It's much easier and quicker to tear something down than to build something up. So, since the Caps can currently attract good free agents and generally draft well, why not try retooling first? Then you don't have to rely on luck nearly as much and don't have to put out a losing team for several years.
 

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