Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines/etc) | 2024-25 Summer Edition

[kicksavedave]

If the NHL was smart they would promote the players better and build intriguing story lines leading up to the games, versus a gimmicky 15 minute shotgun start where nobody can watch all the games.

Not to defend the NHL or anything, but did you catch the promo they ran with younger players like Bedard, Jack Hughes, McDavid, Matthews, Eichel and others acting like spoiled GenZ/Millennials, followed by Crosby complaining about "Kids these days". I liked it, and the 80's new wave tune Ca Plane Pour Moi was a nice touch.

The Moment Lab on Instagram: "Kids These Days 🏒 The NHL has kicked off a new ad campaign featuring some of its top young players, playfully tackling stereotypes about Gen Z in the workplace. 🌟 Part of the league’s “The Next Golden Era is Now” camp

174 likes, 0 comments - themomentlab on October 12, 2024: "Kids These Days 🏒 The NHL has kicked off a new ad campaign featuring some of its top young players, playfully tackling stereotypes about Gen Z in the workplace. 🌟 Part of the league’s “The Next Golden Era is Now” campaign, the ad...

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[qc14]

I mean getting Bedard seems worth it

They would've still gotten Bedard with him there and would've also had a great 2c to play behind him (or an extra asset to trade at the deadline). Going full teardown rebuild is never worth it. It's much easier to still be bad with good players than to obtain good players after being bad. Bedard is good enough that Chicago could've been a legit playoff contender with him this year. Instead they're running Pat Maroon and Nick Foligno on their PP units and are probably going to waste Bedard's first four or five years in the league

 

[Calicaps]

….because of their mindset lol…Billionaires don’t think like peasants.

no, research suggests they think like sociopaths.

 

[Kazer]

They would've still gotten Bedard with him there and would've also had a great 2c to play behind him (or an extra asset to trade at the deadline). Going full teardown rebuild is never worth it. It's much easier to still be bad with good players than to obtain good players after being bad. Bedard is good enough that Chicago could've been a legit playoff contender with him this year. Instead they're running Pat Maroon and Nick Foligno on their PP units and are probably going to waste Bedard's first four or five years in the league

I'm not going to argue that jettisoning Strome for nothing was a good move (it was not), but I don't think Strome makes Chicago a playoff contender.

Chicago understands where they're at. Bedard is great, but most of their young talent isn't NHL ready quite yet. They are clearly focused on the next few seasons from now when guys like Nazar, Levshunov, Moore, and Korchinski (among others) are fully developed.

Further, they have a ton of cap flexibility (14 players are UFA the next two offseasons for them).

 

[qc14]

I'm not going to argue that jettisoning Strome for nothing was a good move (it was not), but I don't think Strome makes Chicago a playoff contender.

Chicago understands where they're at. Bedard is great, but most of their young talent isn't NHL ready quite yet. They are clearly focused on the next few seasons from now when guys like Nazar, Levshunov, Moore, and Korchinski (among others) are fully developed.

Further, they have a ton of cap flexibility (14 players are UFA the next two offseasons for them).

Where they're at is still not having enough good players to be competitive. They traded/gave away three very good players in Strome/DeBrincat/McCabe (and maybe a fourth in Dach) that they didn't need to jettison to be bad. They will be extremely lucky if their group of prospects reach the level of players within that group, and in the meantime they'll have had at least 3 years of purposely being complete garbage.

Tearing everything down to the complete studs and icing an AHL lineup in order to increase your lottery chances for a season by 10% is for suckers and cheap owners and I hate that it's become the "smart" thing to do

 

[Calicaps]

Not to defend the NHL or anything, but did you catch the promo they ran with younger players like Bedard, Jack Hughes, McDavid, Matthews, Eichel and others acting like spoiled GenZ/Millennials, followed by Crosby complaining about "Kids these days". I liked it, and the 80's new wave tune Ca Plane Pour Moi was a nice touch.

The Moment Lab on Instagram: "Kids These Days 🏒 The NHL has kicked off a new ad campaign featuring some of its top young players, playfully tackling stereotypes about Gen Z in the workplace. 🌟 Part of the league’s “The Next Golden Era is Now” camp

174 likes, 0 comments - themomentlab on October 12, 2024: "Kids These Days 🏒 The NHL has kicked off a new ad campaign featuring some of its top young players, playfully tackling stereotypes about Gen Z in the workplace. 🌟 Part of the league’s “The Next Golden Era is Now” campaign, the ad...

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I thought that was great. But would have liked them to emphasize a bit more diversity.

 

[RedRocking]

I thought that was great. But would have liked them to emphasize a bit more diversity.

Meanwhile, at NHL HQ…

 

[Kazer]

Where they're at is still not having enough good players to be competitive. They traded/gave away three very good players in Strome/DeBrincat/McCabe (and maybe a fourth in Dach) that they didn't need to jettison to be bad. They will be extremely lucky if their group of prospects reach the level of players within that group, and in the meantime they'll have had at least 3 years of purposely being complete garbage.

Tearing everything down to the complete studs and icing an AHL lineup in order to increase your lottery chances for a season by 10% is for suckers and cheap owners and I hate that it's become the "smart" thing to do

Two retorts

1- It's easy to look at them drafting Bedard in 2023 and say 'they could've been a playoff team' when in reality they were sitting 2022, prior to the draft, with virtually no young NHL roster players or prospects outside of Dach, who they were clearly ready to move on from. It's not like they had a core of high-end prospects to build around already. Chicago had the 25th ranked system according to Wheeler in February of 2022. Lukas Reichel, he of 34 points in 102 NHL games, was their top rated prospect at the time.

2 - It's not just tearing it down for a slightly better lottery chance. They got high firsts for both DeBrincat and Dach and a future 1st for McCabe. These are players who will speed up their rebuild.

I agree with you conceptually that it sucks when teams do a full-scale rebuild, but I would argue that Chicago was one of those rare instances where it made sense to do so. If you're going to be bad anyway, why not trade off assets to speed up the rebuild?

 

[qc14]

I agree with you conceptually that it sucks when teams do a full-scale rebuild, but I would argue that Chicago was one of those rare instances where it made sense to do so. If you're going to be bad anyway, why not trade off assets to speed up the rebuild?

I would argue that having 4 top 6 forwards (I forgot about Hagel) between the ages of 23 and 27 would be more helpful in speeding up the rebuild than (and I mean this as no disrespect to these two!) like 5 versions of McMichael and Lapierre from 3 years ago.

You obviously need luck to be a good team but you need to position yourself as well as possible to take advantage of that luck once it hits you. Also -- losing on purpose creates a culture of losing and losers that is incredibly hard to break (see Sabres, Buffalo or Hornets, Charlotte). It's a lot easier to be bad by accident than you think

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

no, research suggests they think like sociopaths.

Very unpeasant-like!

 

[DWGie26]

no, research suggests they think like sociopaths.

I have yet to meet a SUCCESSFUL CEO that isn’t a bit of a psychopath. We need them to progress the world. Gates is a psycho. So is Bezos. And Musk. And every CEO running a company more than $100M.

But let me ask this. If Uncle Sam knocked on your door and said, “I’ll give you a check for $1,000, but you have to spend it to boost the economy.” Would you take it? You damn right you would. In fact, Im sure there are some (maybe many) here who got that $1000 over the pandemic. So don’t hate owners for playing the game.

 

[g00n]

I have yet to meet a SUCCESSFUL CEO that isn’t a bit of a psychopath. We need them to progress the world. Gates is a psycho. So is Bezos. And Musk. And every CEO running a company more than $100M.

But let me ask this. If Uncle Sam knocked on your door and said, “I’ll give you a check for $1,000, but you have to spend it to boost the economy.” Would you take it? You damn right you would. In fact, Im sure there are some (maybe many) here who got that $1000 over the pandemic. So don’t hate owners for playing the game.

I think what people resent is the preferential treatment that goes beyond economic stimulus and leans toward outright elitism.

There's no reason these people can't pay more in taxes, or foot some of the bill for their own stadiums.

Liquid assets are not the same as net wealth or a team's value, but they still have plenty of economic power and ability to get these things done without so much of our tax money.

 

[DWGie26]

I think what people resent is the preferential treatment that goes beyond economic stimulus and leans toward outright elitism.

There's no reason these people can't pay more in taxes, or foot some of the bill for their own stadiums.

Liquid assets are not the same as net wealth or a team's value, but they still have plenty of economic power and ability to get these things done without so much of our tax money.

True. But the world today is about how people leverage money. Whether private equity, VC, debt, bonds, etc. Ultimately a lot of that is government money as well. And yes, this is a problem. It is also why recessions and corrections happen. And US corrections ripple around the world.

There are a lot more “have’s” today. And a lot more “mega-rich”. Sadly, there is also still a lot of poor and homelessness. And the gap widens.

I’m old enough to have seen several cycles. Smart enough to understand i can’t influence it.

 

[usiel]

Hey yall this is way off topic for this thread. Should be in the OT thread but again make sure it doesn't veer into the dreaded politics.

 

[DWGie26]

Hey yall this is way off topic for this thread. Should be in the OT thread but again make sure it doesn't veer into the dreaded politics.

My bad. No intent to be political. But i hear you. Will kill it here.

 

[Corby78]

There are plenty of people who would have no problem insisting their company be a good corporate citizen thats pays its own business expenses instead of passing those costs on to the public. The problem is that people with those values will never ascend to positions of true power in the corporate world.

Well that’s not true but nice try. If you don’t like your city paying for an arena with your tax money be upset at the people running the city.

 

[Corby78]

I thought that was great. But would have liked them to emphasize a bit more diversity.

They should keep focus on hockey and the hockey talent. People aren’t buying tickets to watch diversity on ice.

 

[Calicaps]

They should keep focus on hockey and the hockey talent. People aren’t buying tickets to watch diversity on ice.

Talent and diversity aren’t mutually exclusive. They could have featured at least one talented player of color.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

If you don’t like your city paying for an arena with your tax money be upset at the people running the city.

I never claimed to have an opinion about how Ted should fund his building — my comment was in response to your claim that “We all would do the same don’t kid yourself or pretend you wouldn’t.“

Well that’s not true but nice try.

What’s not true?

 

[Hivemind]

Talent and diversity aren’t mutually exclusive. They could have featured at least one talented player of color.

Give it a few years and I'm sure Tij Iginla will be showing up in NHL ads on the regular. But Byfield should probably have been in that ad campaign.

 

[SkinsFan09]

Not to defend the NHL or anything, but did you catch the promo they ran with younger players like Bedard, Jack Hughes, McDavid, Matthews, Eichel and others acting like spoiled GenZ/Millennials

None of those players are Millennials/Gen Y. Sidney Crosby at 37 is as Millennial as it gets, it's not a catch-all phrase for "young people".

 

[TS Quint]

What is this thread?

I came to ask how Dubois is doing. 5 points in 6 games doesn’t seem too bad. Am I in the right place?

 

[Corby78]

I never claimed to have an opinion about how Ted should fund his building — my comment was in response to your claim that “We all would do the same don’t kid yourself or pretend you wouldn’t.“

What’s not true?

People with values don’t ascend to positions of power.

 

[Corby78]

Talent and diversity aren’t mutually exclusive. They could have featured at least one talented player of color.

They aren’t mutually exclusive you are right, but IMO focusing on the play and skill will bring in the new fans as you sell the actual game. If it includes minority players so be it, great, but to me that shouldn’t be the goal or a focus.

 

[Calicaps]

They aren’t mutually exclusive you are right, but IMO focusing on the play and skill will bring in the new fans as you sell the actual game. If it includes minority players so be it, great, but to me that shouldn’t be the goal or a focus.

The NHL in particular has sucked at selling the game, especially to non-white audiences, which is where a lot of their growth potential is. So If the goal is to sell /grow the game, they might want to try showing that it actually can be a game for everyone.

Give it a few years and I'm sure Tij Iginla will be showing up in NHL ads on the regular. But Byfield should probably have been in that ad campaign.

He was the first guy I thought of. But also Zibanijad and Miller in New York.