Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2023 Off-season

[Langway]

Any other NHL player have that type of knee surgery before?

Haven't seen any other references beyond that. Not great.

 

[usiel]

Haven't seen any other references beyond that. Not great.

Damn seems more unlikely than Backstrom's surgery type. He got his Cup at least.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Dima and Kuz are playing beer league hockey in DC. f***ing legends.

Really get the sense Orlov just wants to be back in DC. Deciding factor is definitely term (think he takes a discount on $AAV).

X One Billion

where they playing?

 

[Ovi895]

Dima and Kuz are playing beer league hockey in DC. f***ing legends.

Really get the sense Orlov just wants to be back in DC. Deciding factor is definitely term (think he takes a discount on $AAV).

X One Billion

Bringing Orlov back after getting that haul for him would be a big brain move. Reminds me of the Blues fishing with Tkachuk back in the day (and potentially O'Reilly this year)

Give him a 7 year deal with front loaded bonuses to keep the cap hit between 4 and 5, package Fever for help up front and their defense looks pretty good for the remainder of the Ovechkin era. Orlov-Jensen/Alexeyev-Carlson/Sandin-TVR/giantswedishguy-Iorio is pretty well balanced and full of redundancies for injuries

Gallant feels like Lavi 2.0…..

He's Lavi with less X and O ability

 

[Holtbyisms]

Bringing Orlov back after getting that haul for him would be a big brain move. Reminds me of the Blues fishing with Tkachuk back in the day (and potentially O'Reilly this year)

Give him a 7 year deal with front loaded bonuses to keep the cap hit between 4 and 5, package Fever for help up front and their defense looks pretty good for the remainder of the Ovechkin era. Orlov-Jensen/Alexeyev-Carlson/Sandin-TVR/giantswedishguy-Iorio is pretty well balanced and full of redundancies for injuries


He's Lavi with less X and O ability

Yeah, but he makes this face!

 

[Raikkonen]

Trade Kuzy for Nichushkin!

 

[Raikkonen]

Im certain they could talk to Orlov if they wanted (long before it is allowed by the rules). So if they want to sign him they will. Not worried at all.

Trading Fever for some f***er - that's what Im against of. Fever can play with Carlson and others returned mixed results. That's my concern.

 

[twabby]

Trading Fever for some f***er - that's what Im against of. Fever can play with Carlson and others returned mixed results. That's my concern.

I’m not in favor of trading Fehervary for some fisher, but the second part of that statement isn’t really true at all. Carlson over the past two seasons has done much better away from Fehervary than with him (52% xG away from Fehervary, 47% with Fehervary). In fact Fehervary-Carlson has arguably been their worst pairing on the team over the last two years. Only Fehervary-Jensen has been nearly as bad in terms of chance share among top 6 guys (48% xG).

And stylistically it makes sense. Carlson is not a puck carrier through neutral and relies on his partner to do the heavy transition work. Fehervary is perhaps their worst puck carrier so it makes sense that they’ve struggled together, especially since Washington’s forwards in general also struggle in transition.

It may seem a bit unconventional to those who demand an offensive guy and a defensive guy on the same pairing, but I think Sandin-Carlson is the pairing they should deploy to start next season. While both are thought of as “offensive defensemen” they are stylistically quite different. Sandin is much more of a workhorse in transition while most of Carlson’s work comes in the offensive zone. I think they’d complement each other quite well. And indeed in a very short sample size the Sandin-Carlson pairing played to a 50% chance share while the rest of the team was in the low 40s.

Fehervary really should be someone they explore trading, preferably as part of a package for an impact forward. An early 20s D who plays 20 minutes a night could be have value to a team that isn’t paying attention to his actual impact. Why pay Fehervary 3 x $2.8 million (projected by Evolving Hockey) when he’s been such a drag on their D and is realistically limited to a third pair role? Just find another cheap guy like Gustafsson or TVR to replace Fehervary. There are always those types of D available over the summer for league minimum or close!

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Yes, let’s develop another D and trade him away…sigh….

 

[twabby]

Yes, let’s develop another D and trade him away…sigh….

I assume you’re drawing a parallel with Siegenthaler.

I don’t think the situations are similar at all. Siegenthaler, for one, showed much more as a Capital than Fehervary has. Siegenthaler showed legit top 4 and shutdown talent before he was traded while Fehervary has shown third pairing aptitude at best. Third pairing guys are a dime a dozen, what makes Fehervary different than these guys?

Siegenthaler also became disgruntled and demanded a trade due to roster mismanagement, which in turn led to peanuts for a return. Washington put themselves in a bind.

In the case of a potential Fehervary deal they should deal from a position of strength and actively target a player that makes the team better. No one suggested they trade him for a third round pick or whatever. Indeed, as you have frequently said they need to make some hockey trades to improve the team. I think Fehervary is one of the few pieces they have that could be valuable in a hockey trade. He’s a 23 year old defenseman who plays 20 minutes a night who can skate well and can play physical. Seems like he could be an attractive asset!

Being scared of losing Fehervary because he was drafted and developed by DC isn’t a good enough reason to hang onto him. They should hang onto him if they think he’s a future top 4 mainstay. I’m not convinced he’s that guy.

 

[Carlzner]

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

I assume you’re drawing a parallel with Siegenthaler.

I don’t think the situations are similar at all. Siegenthaler, for one, showed much more as a Capital than Fehervary has. Siegenthaler showed legit top 4 and shutdown talent before he was traded while Fehervary has shown third pairing aptitude at best. Third pairing guys are a dime a dozen, what makes Fehervary different than these guys?

Siegenthaler also became disgruntled and demanded a trade due to roster mismanagement, which in turn led to peanuts for a return. Washington put themselves in a bind.

In the case of a potential Fehervary deal they should deal from a position of strength and actively target a player that makes the team better. No one suggested they trade him for a third round pick or whatever. Indeed, as you have frequently said they need to make some hockey trades to improve the team. I think Fehervary is one of the few pieces they have that could be valuable in a hockey trade. He’s a 23 year old defenseman who plays 20 minutes a night who can skate well and can play physical. Seems like he could be an attractive asset!

Being scared of losing Fehervary because he was drafted and developed by DC isn’t a good enough reason to hang onto him. They should hang onto him if they think he’s a future top 4 mainstay. I’m not convinced he’s that guy.

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I know your spread sheets dont show it, But hes has been recorded as one of the fastest top speed players in the entire league.

 

[usiel]

I’m not in favor of trading Fehervary for some fisher, but the second part of that statement isn’t really true at all. Carlson over the past two seasons has done much better away from Fehervary than with him (52% xG away from Fehervary, 47% with Fehervary). In fact Fehervary-Carlson has arguably been their worst pairing on the team over the last two years. Only Fehervary-Jensen has been nearly as bad in terms of chance share among top 6 guys (48% xG).

And stylistically it makes sense. Carlson is not a puck carrier through neutral and relies on his partner to do the heavy transition work. Fehervary is perhaps their worst puck carrier so it makes sense that they’ve struggled together, especially since Washington’s forwards in general also struggle in transition.

It may seem a bit unconventional to those who demand an offensive guy and a defensive guy on the same pairing, but I think Sandin-Carlson is the pairing they should deploy to start next season. While both are thought of as “offensive defensemen” they are stylistically quite different. Sandin is much more of a workhorse in transition while most of Carlson’s work comes in the offensive zone. I think they’d complement each other quite well. And indeed in a very short sample size the Sandin-Carlson pairing played to a 50% chance share while the rest of the team was in the low 40s.

Fehervary really should be someone they explore trading, preferably as part of a package for an impact forward. An early 20s D who plays 20 minutes a night could be have value to a team that isn’t paying attention to his actual impact. Why pay Fehervary 3 x $2.8 million (projected by Evolving Hockey) when he’s been such a drag on their D and is realistically limited to a third pair role? Just find another cheap guy like Gustafsson or TVR to replace Fehervary. There are always those types of D available over the summer for league minimum or close!

This is crazy talk.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I assume you’re drawing a parallel with Siegenthaler.

I don’t think the situations are similar at all. Siegenthaler, for one, showed much more as a Capital than Fehervary has. Siegenthaler showed legit top 4 and shutdown talent before he was traded while Fehervary has shown third pairing aptitude at best. Third pairing guys are a dime a dozen, what makes Fehervary different than these guys?

Siegenthaler also became disgruntled and demanded a trade due to roster mismanagement, which in turn led to peanuts for a return. Washington put themselves in a bind.

In the case of a potential Fehervary deal they should deal from a position of strength and actively target a player that makes the team better. No one suggested they trade him for a third round pick or whatever. Indeed, as you have frequently said they need to make some hockey trades to improve the team. I think Fehervary is one of the few pieces they have that could be valuable in a hockey trade. He’s a 23 year old defenseman who plays 20 minutes a night who can skate well and can play physical. Seems like he could be an attractive asset!

Being scared of losing Fehervary because he was drafted and developed by DC isn’t a good enough reason to hang onto him. They should hang onto him if they think he’s a future top 4 mainstay. I’m not convinced he’s that guy.

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Why have you always hated Fever?

 

[twabby]

Why have you always hated Fever?

He cut me off in traffic one time a few years ago. I won’t rest until he’s off the team!

I know your spread sheets dont show it, But hes has been recorded as one of the fastest top speed players in the entire league.

He joins the illustrious club that includes Jason Chimera and Carl Hagelin!

 

[Ridley Simon]

Caps have a deep pipeline of young D’s coming thru.

We used to develop and produce forwards
We then developed and produced goalies
We now develop and will produce defensemen

Trading Fever won’t kill them at all. I get the concern, but trade him for a forward (like a Konecny) as part of other deals (Kuz or Mantha out or Backstrom resolution) and lots can happen.

 

[OV Rocks]

Why is it so difficult to find a partner for Carlson? Seems like the only two that ever had any success were Alzner early in his career and Kempny for a playoff run and half a season. On paper wouldn't you just need someone who is above average reliable on the back end and at best average puck moving - shouldn't be too hard to find

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Caps have a deep pipeline of young D’s coming thru.

We used to develop and produce forwards
We then developed and produced goalies
We now develop and will produce defensemen

Trading Fever won’t kill them at all. I get the concern, but trade him for a forward (like a Konecny) as part of other deals (Kuz or Mantha out or Backstrom resolution) and lots can happen.

Well I hope they move AA or a prospect over Fever, but hopefully they make good hockey trades, not low hanging fruit trades.

 

[Brian23]

I'm honestly fine moving Fehervary, just because I think he'd have the highest value with the lowest hit to team "ability" on the back end right now. That being because he's going to cost probably 3 times as much as AA while probably, at best, being just a slightly better defensive version of him at this point. I also think he has enough upside as to actually have an okay return.

I am, however, not okay with shipping Fehervary out for Orlov. If you're moving him for another LD it should be for someone who's either in the middle of their prime or just coming into it. Getting older by swapping 23/24 year old Fehervary for 31/32 year old Orlov is just an awful decision. I once again say people have seemingly let 20 some odd games in Black and Gold to paint Orlov in a much more favorable light then what he really is in Washington.

 

[Cappy76]

I’ll go back to my original thoughts when Carlson was resigned….

You shouldn’t have to fight to find a partner for your 8+ million “#1 dman”. The fact that we have to think so deeply about roster construction due to not being able to find a partner for him to me just adds to the he’s not a true #1

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I’ll go back to my original thoughts when Carlson was resigned….

You shouldn’t have to fight to find a partner for your 8+ million “#1 dman”. The fact that we have to think so deeply about roster construction due to not being able to find a partner for him to me just adds to the he’s not a true #1

Alzner was fine with him. Give him a great partner and let’s see. They have been trying to do it cheap so far.

 

[Marshall]

Hunh. Fridgeman says on the latest 32T that the Caps were in 'deep' talks with Babcock when they decided on Lavi.

 

[Ovi895]

Yes, let’s develop another D and trade him away…sigh….

Siegs went for a 3rd so Chara could have his swan song with the caps.

No problem trading Fever away if something valuable comes back and there's no room for him on the team for a few years anyway (in the hypothetical world of Orlov coming back). Blues have a million young forwards and a mess at LD, maybe there's something there

I’ll go back to my original thoughts when Carlson was resigned….

You shouldn’t have to fight to find a partner for your 8+ million “#1 dman”. The fact that we have to think so deeply about roster construction due to not being able to find a partner for him to me just adds to the he’s not a true #1

8 million hasn't bought a "#1 dman" for quite a while. Carlson was a ~7 million defenseman who go a cup bump and reward for being highly underpaid for 6 years prior when he made less than 4

 

[Holtbyisms]

Hunh. Fridgeman says on the latest 32T that the Caps were in 'deep' talks with Babcock when they decided on Lavi.

*puke*

I think(hope) the organization knows we need something different. Babs is more of the same. At this point, let's run and gun it, hope for good goaltending and see what happens. Halpern and/or Carbery or bust.

 

[Calicaps]

*puke*

I think(hope) the organization knows we need something different. Babs is more of the same. At this point, let's run and gun it, hope for good goaltending and see what happens. Halpern and/or Carbery or bust.

I'm pretty sure BMac knows. I've speculated here before that Rierden was his first try and bringing in more of a new-gen coach and after that flamed out he had to defer to ownership again and go with a more established name. Lavi may not have delivered but at least Mac avoided Babcock. Good f***ing grief.