Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines/etc) | 2023-24 Regular Season Edition

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YippieKaey

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Bäckström might not and will not be back to his old self but he had some nifty plays and touches against CGY and if he had quicker linemates those could have led to dangerous scoring chances. Remember than when Bäcky was at his best, he played with Ovi who was an incredibly dynamic skater. So put Bäcky with CMM and either of Wilson or Kuzy (on the wing) and good things might happen.
 
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Chokingdogs

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also something about a login for access too? i guess for streaming...

What the f*** is all that gobbledegook bullshit? Not directed at you, rather the companies.

Monday at 11 pm I could watch a channel, that I had been for say a month, Tuesday morning at 7 am I cannot, with no f***ing explanation.

Guess I’ll be calling the speech readers on the - no - help line.
 

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Bäckström might not and will not be back to his old self but he had some nifty plays and touches against CGY and if he had quicker linemates those could have led to dangerous scoring chances. Remember than when Bäcky was at his best, he played with Ovi who was an incredibly dynamic skater. So put Bäcky with CMM and either of Wilson or Kuzy (on the wing) and good things might happen.
I think Backstrom wasn't up to game speed last year with his head and his hands, but now he is much more adequate. With speedier partners he could hold on probably. Less ES, some PP and it's ok.

Also, and its been fixed already, Ovi should not play with Backstrom and Oshie at any time.

They couldnt help him at all. No respect for them from the opponents means no space. Strome and Wilson should make it more interesting.
 
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Any scenario where we don't end up with Garland (or any other long-term anchor) and Mantha is gone would be great.
 

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So I'm not all familiar with the Vancouver situation. Are they looking to move Garland so that they have cap space to work out a new contract with pending RFA Elias Pettersson?

There's roughly about a 700k difference between Mantha and Garland's salary for this season, but of course Garland then still has two years remaining on his 4.95 salary after this year.

Just don't want to see BMAC surrender another draft pick to move Mantha. He's already cost us a first and second in the way of picks plus Vrana.
 

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No thanks to Garland.

I hope the 3rd team takes Garland while Canucks get Mantha. Rather not move a pick to dump him but i'd retain salary to make him disappear.
 

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No thanks to Garland.

I hope the 3rd team takes Garland while Canucks get Mantha. Rather not move a pick to dump him but i'd retain salary to make him disappear.
Curious where the dislike for Garland comes from? He's had 19+33 and 17+29 during his two years in Vancouver. Positive impacts ends of the ice. Player cards from both years look good enough for a player making <$5M. Could do a lot worse for the money, I think.

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I wouldn't mind swapping for Garland. But there is a risk with taking on Garland, and our need for small middle six wingers isn't isn't very big. I definitely don't want to pay extra with Mantha to get him.
 

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Curious where the dislike for Garland comes from? He's had 19+33 and 17+29 during his two years in Vancouver. Positive impacts ends of the ice. Player cards from both years look good enough for a player making <$5M. Could do a lot worse for the money, I think.

Not one of the people objecting, but my only hesitation would be if he blocks Miro or another kid from getting a spot.

I’d be totally fine taking on Garland in a Mantha swap and would have no issue throwing in any pick (or combo of) less than a 2nd….and btw Mantha did not previously cost us a 1st, that was to offload 2 years of Panik.

Garland’s smaller sure, but it’s better than being big and playing small. He would produce here IMO.
the narrative that we paid Vrana, a 1st and a 2nd for Mantha won't die. sigh...
 

CapitalsCupReality

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Not one of the people objecting, but my only hesitation would be if he blocks Miro or another kid from getting a spot.


the narrative that we paid Vrana, a 1st and a 2nd for Mantha won't die. sigh...
Yup totally (on that narrative)…..

I definitely don’t want to block Miro, but Garland is still only 27…we’d be getting some good years in that addition (2@$4.95) and he’s a play-making winger….seems like a good fit to me for an old team looking for an injection…

Feels like we could acquire this guy and move on from another winger in a year if Miro is ready.

 
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trick9

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Curious where the dislike for Garland comes from? He's had 19+33 and 17+29 during his two years in Vancouver. Positive impacts ends of the ice. Player cards from both years look good enough for a player making <$5M. Could do a lot worse for the money, I think.

It's not dislike really. He's a good player but i don't think we are at a stage where we should target him. He isn't trusted in Vancouver which is why he's on the block and mostly plays soft minutes without any PK time. He produces fine but the minutes he plays are the same we have Milano and Phillips playing right now. It's the same minutes any rookie coming up is going to start with. If it was enough in my eyes to be the difference between Playoffs or non-Playoffs, i'd pull the trigger but i don't see it. I think we should target and spend our cap long-term towards trying to replace our core and trust that role Garland would take to Milano and Phillips for now for cheaper.

I like the player, nothing against him. Twice the player Mantha is these days. I just don't want 27-year old that needs 'rookie' minutes and approach to succeed. Especially as it's already established that player like that making ~5m long-term has no trade market.
 

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One one hand, based on stats/metrics/whatever (because I haven't watched him play), Garland basically seems like a middle-six, five-on-five replacement/upgrade for Sheary. (But IIRC doesn't kill penalties and would get minimal PP time.) And if VAN was willing to retain 30% (as tweeted by Kevin Weekes) those extra two years on Garland are much more palatable.

On the other hand, with Mantha scratched, our current middle-six wingers are Oshie, McMichael, Milano, and Phillips. You trade for Garland, you've got to play him, so who of those four would you immediately bench/demote/trade to make room for Garland? (Please, I don't want to hear any Oshie-to-Seattle nonsense.) And, as easy as it is to forget about Pacioretty, we've got to remember that he's supposedly coming back at some point and could possibly even stay healthy, so then there's another surplus middle-six winger situation you've got to deal with this year. And that's not even including the Miro situation.

IDK. I want to get rid of Mantha as much as the next person, hopefully without 1) paying a premium to dump him or 2) taking on a contract that restricts the team's roster flexibility later on. But--unless there's an equal one-for-one trade involving two troubled assets/contracts that need a change of scenery--one/both of those things feel like they'd be necessary. In which case the best option to me seems to be for the team to hold its nose and swallow the contract for this last year. Bench/demote his ass until someone gets hurt or their game goes to hell, then put him in and see if he can play well enough to either 1) contribute to a possible wildcard playoff run, or, 2) if the Caps are out of the playoffs race early, return a draft pick in a deadline trade.
 
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I have a feeling this Garland trade talk is just giving me false hope that we can jettison Mantha this year. sigh
 
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I would much rather trade Mantha at 50%, even if we need to add a pick to do so.

Garland definitely blocks youth, as does Mantha.
 
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CapitalsCupReality

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Youths not being ready blocks youths…we’re trying to get another few playoff runs with Ovechkin, and an immediate upgrade over Mantha would be impactful.

Let the results sort out who sits or is demoted to 4RW….not picking up an upgrade today for a maybe next year isn’t the way IMO.
 
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