Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines/etc) | 2023-24 Regular Season Edition

[crab]

Not to be a negative Nancy, but man, the only guy this might help is Ted in not having to pay him.

I think giving away the money will be harder if the window is closed.

I don’t think this saves Ted any money, he will still have to pay Kuznetsov.

The benefit would be the potential ability to take on cap dumps at the deadline for assets with the added space.

 

[ClevelandCapsfan]

OT but where did the most recent game thread disappear to on this board?

 

[g00n]

OT but where did the most recent game thread disappear to on this board?

Ignoring me, eh?

 

[hb13xchamps]

He has 5 5v5 goals. If we are going to criticize guys like Ovechkin and Kuznetsov for not scoring, I think it's fair to criticize their 1RW who just inked a lucrative new deal.

Scoring is a teamwide issue to be sure, but Wilson is supposed to be the guy in his prime who continues to produce and bridge the gap between the older vets and the young guys. After all why else ink him to that 7 year contract extension? Mantha has 14 5v5 goals and it's not like he's playing with an elite center, so I don't like hearing the "Wilson has bad linemates" excuse for the lack of production.

We all know you like to nitpick Wilson because you wanted the Capitals to trade him. It’s tiring reading the same shit over and over again.

The whole team is ass at 5v5 outside of the 4th line and randomly Mantha.

Mantha 14 goals
Strome 10 goals
Dowd 7 goals
Wilson/NAK 5 goals

That rounds out the top 5. It isn’t pretty and Ovechkins 3 5v5 goals look even more glaring.

 

[pman25]

I'm not sure why you expected them to be difference makers. They were never touted as such. McMichael will end up as a middle 6 center, and that's what he's always projected as his upside. For Lapierre, it's the same. Neither was ever touted as a potential number 1 center.

Yes that’s true. Getting an NHLer isn’t bad for a late first rounder, but there’s always stars/solid top 6 producers that come out of that 20-40 range so was still holding out that one would break through. And maybe one of them will, but seems unlikely

Guess just I’ve been spoiled that we hit so well with our 1sts from 2008-2013 with Carlson, Johansson, Kuznetsov, Wilson, and Burakovsky. We haven’t really hit on a 1st rounder since, we should be due again soon

 

[hb13xchamps]

Looking at those 5v5 goals. Sell HIGH on Dowd and Mantha at maximum retention. You could convince a team to give something decent for Mantha by indicating his numbers would improve with better PP time.

 

[twabby]

We all know you like to nitpick Wilson because you wanted the Capitals to trade him. It’s tiring reading the same shit over and over again.

The whole team is ass at 5v5 outside of the 4th line and randomly Mantha.

Mantha 14 goals
Strome 10 goals
Dowd 7 goals
Wilson/NAK 5 goals

That rounds out the top 5. It isn’t pretty and Ovechkins 3 5v5 goals look even more glaring.

That's exactly right. There is no better alternative when it comes to guys like Ovechkin, Oshie, and Kuznetsov.

But they had an alternative with Wilson that they failed to exercise and that's why I'm critical of his new contract.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

And I just have to say I am very very excited to have the opportunity for the Redskins to have one of the top rated quarterback prospects in years whoever we decide on

 

[Langway]

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2. One trend gaining traction is teams destined to pick later in the first round aren’t married to their picks. Vancouver and Winnipeg already moved them. Sportsnet draft gurus Jason Bukala and Sam Cosentino see a drop, and several organizations agree with them....

12. Washington could hold Dowd, but are looking to move Joel Edmundson. All the best to Evgeny Kuznetsov, back in the Player Assistance Program. His salary is off the team’s cap at this time.

 

[usiel]

The sooner Edmundson is gone the better. Rather AA get more games to see where his play projects.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

If Jensen and TVR are on the market we could have even more options for call ups

 

[trick9]

Eagerly waiting what the plan for the deadline is actually going to be.

Barring a miracle... it's likely to sell. But to what extent? Edmundson is addition by subtraction, but that hardly gets you excited for the TDL. Waiting if someone drastically overpays for Dowd falls into the 'obviously' -category.

Are the UFA's moving? I see no reason to keep Mantha, if there is a market out there with retention. What does Pacioretty want to do and can he stay healthy for another month?

But the most intriguing thing will likely be that what they do with their defense. Even if Edmundson is gone they would be smart to gauge the market on one of their 30+ D's that are signed with term. It would weaken the defense but it would be wise to move ahead of the situation a little bit for next season too since Jensen turns 34 and TvR turns 33 before next season even starts. I think both of them would have market out there. Moving one of those guys along with Edmundson should help them re-coup that 2nd round pick they traded and another pick/prospect, and it would open the door to give one last extended look for Alexeyev and give more of a look to HHA/Johansen.

 

[Hivemind]

I hope they don't have to retain on Mantha, Edmundson, or Pacioretty to move them. All of them should be affordable enough when prorated at this portion of the season, and on expiring deals. Unless retention knocks their value up to something silly (like a 1st round pick), I think there's better use of the retention slots.

Dowd should be one of them, given that retaining on the remaining year of his deal has the potential to significantly drive up his value to contenders near the salary cap.

Beyond that, they have potential to actually utilize their remaining salary cap space to accrue additional assets by playing the middle men to other teams trying to maneuver their cap space. Arizona picked up a 3rd for facilitating the Patrick Kane trade to New York. Minnesota picked up a 4th and a 5th between the Orlov and O'Reilly deals. These aren't game changing assets, but it can essentially be "free" picks to add to cupboard that don't hurt Ovie's goal chase in any way. And I'm skeptical that retaining on their UFA rentals would be worth much more.

 

[Chimaera]

I don’t think this saves Ted any money, he will still have to pay Kuznetsov.

The benefit would be the potential ability to take on cap dumps at the deadline for assets with the added space.

I don't know the actual details, but wouldn't insurance handle some of it, if he enters the program for any length of time?

 

[toolboyy]

I hope they don't have to retain on Mantha, Edmundson, or Pacioretty to move them. All of them should be affordable enough when prorated at this portion of the season, and on expiring deals. Unless retention knocks their value up to something silly (like a 1st round pick), I think there's better use of the retention slots.

Dowd should be one of them, given that retaining on the remaining year of his deal has the potential to significantly drive up his value to contenders near the salary cap.

Beyond that, they have potential to actually utilize their remaining salary cap space to accrue additional assets by playing the middle men to other teams trying to maneuver their cap space. Arizona picked up a 3rd for facilitating the Patrick Kane trade to New York. Minnesota picked up a 4th and a 5th between the Orlov and O'Reilly deals. These aren't game changing assets, but it can essentially be "free" picks to add to cupboard that don't hurt Ovie's goal chase in any way. And I'm skeptical that retaining on their UFA rentals would be worth much more.

Pacioretty has a no movement clause, so he'd have to agree to any trade.

 

[Cappy76]

Weaponize the cap space be a 3rd party to a deal that eats cap in exchange for picks

 

[trick9]

I hope they don't have to retain on Mantha, Edmundson, or Pacioretty to move them. All of them should be affordable enough when prorated at this portion of the season, and on expiring deals. Unless retention knocks their value up to something silly (like a 1st round pick), I think there's better use of the retention slots.

Dowd should be one of them, given that retaining on the remaining year of his deal has the potential to significantly drive up his value to contenders near the salary cap.

Beyond that, they have potential to actually utilize their remaining salary cap space to accrue additional assets by playing the middle men to other teams trying to maneuver their cap space. Arizona picked up a 3rd for facilitating the Patrick Kane trade to New York. Minnesota picked up a 4th and a 5th between the Orlov and O'Reilly deals. These aren't game changing assets, but it can essentially be "free" picks to add to cupboard that don't hurt Ovie's goal chase in any way. And I'm skeptical that retaining on their UFA rentals would be worth much more.

I'd hope we could strike a deal without retention but i think we might need to retain salary on Mantha to get the best possible deal. Edmundson likely returns very little so wasting a retention slot on him wouldn't be that wise. Pacioretty doesn't have a huge cap hit so there might not be need to retain salary. If he only agrees a deal to a certain team that doesn't have the cap, i'd do it if that deal made sense to us. So basically if we could get that extra pick from that team instead.

Weaponize the cap space be a 3rd party to a deal that eats cap in exchange for picks

This.

We may not have that many great assets to trade but short-term we should be a huge player in being 3rd party to all sorts of short-term retention deals. Our cap situation is brilliant in few years, and it's pretty good already this summer.

 

[Empty Goal Net]

Pacioretty doesn't have a huge cap hit so there might not be need to retain salary. If he only agrees a deal to a certain team that doesn't have the cap, i'd do it if that deal made sense to us. So basically if we could get that extra pick from that team instead.

Max has played 13 games so far this season. His salary is $2m and his bonuses are:
$1M bonus for 10GP | $500k bonus for 15GP | $500k bonus for 20GP.

So if Max is eventually dealt after he hits 20 GP, and the Caps have paid (or at least are on the hook for) the $2m in total bonuses, is the cap hit for the acquiring team based on his $2m salary, or on his salary + bonuses (both pro-rated based on the RS calendar), even tho' the acquiring team won't be paying any of the bonus $?

As an aside: It looks like performance bonuses count against the salary cap, but teams are permitted to exceed the salary cap by a max of 7.5% of the Salary Cap. If that happens, then any amount over the Salary Cap counts against the cap in the next season.

 

[Hivemind]

Pacioretty has a no movement clause, so he'd have to agree to any trade.

I'm aware (and bitched about it plenty in the past), but I'm not sure how that's relevant to the point about contract retention. Unless you're saying Patches will only agree to be traded if the Caps retain a part of his salary?

 

[pman25]

Edmonton seems like a good fit for like 4 or 5 of our players. Dowd, Lindgren, Mantha, maybe one of Jensen/TvR…perfect depth pieces for that team to get over the hump.

Getting the cap to work is a little tricky. I’ll even take Campbell back if they give us three 1sts and Broberg

 

[toolboyy]

I'm aware (and bitched about it plenty in the past), but I'm not sure how that's relevant to the point about contract retention. Unless you're saying Patches will only agree to be traded if the Caps retain a part of his salary?

It's just info, man.
BTW, I'm all for retaining and acquiring as much salary cap money as possible to get a bunch of picks/prospects, a good and proper tank job if you will.

 

[Hivemind]

Edmonton seems like a good fit for like 4 or 5 of our players. Dowd, Lindgren, Mantha, maybe one of Jensen/TvR…perfect depth pieces for that team to get over the hump.

Getting the cap to work is a little tricky. I’ll even take Campbell back if they give us three 1sts and Broberg

Toronto seems like a possible fit for Dowd, Edmundson, or maaaybe Lindgren. Dowd could be a cheap role player for this season and next on a team that's very much against the cap. Edmundson just seems like the type of random, cheap D-man that Toronto adds every season. And obviously they have a lot of questions in net, so Lindgren could be in that conversation, but I'm not sure they really want to turn their 3-headed monster into a 4-headed monster with Charlie Sideburns. He's not the type of goalie that's going to completely solve their netminder issues, particularly after he gets injured.

 

[pman25]

Yeah Dowd should be really attractive to Edmonton, Toronto, and Colorado. A trusty depth centerman for below league minimum. All three are up against the cap. If they can add key depth for this years run and start solving for the impending cap problems for 2024/2025 season that’s a bonus

All three could use another goalie as well. Lindgren makes sense if Skinner / Georgiev falter. Nice insurance add

 

[BiPolar Caps]

Yeah Dowd should be really attractive to Edmonton, Toronto, and Colorado. A trusty depth centerman for below league minimum. All three are up against the cap. If they can add key depth for this years run and start solving for the impending cap problems for 2024/2025 season that’s a bonus

All three could use another goalie as well. Lindgren makes sense if Skinner / Georgiev falter. Nice insurance add

I still see the Rangers as a possibility for Dowd. Brodzinski and Goodrow are currently their 3 and 4 Cs. As we all know Laviolette has shown a fondness towards players that he's familiar with. I also think that Pacioretty might waive his NMC to go to the Rangers as he's from Connecticut.

Not sure what the return would be of Dowd and Pacioretty to the Rangers, but Kaapo Kakko appears to be underperforming and somewhat in the Rangers dog house. Former first round pick who'll turn 23 in a few days, seems to be one of the young forwards that BMAC might be looking for. The Rangers also have their 2nd round pick in the '24 draft. Not sure we could pry away their first round pick.

Toronto seems like a possible fit for Dowd, Edmundson, or maaaybe Lindgren. Dowd could be a cheap role player for this season and next on a team that's very much against the cap. Edmundson just seems like the type of random, cheap D-man that Toronto adds every season. And obviously they have a lot of questions in net, so Lindgren could be in that conversation, but I'm not sure they really want to turn their 3-headed monster into a 4-headed monster with Charlie Sideburns. He's not the type of goalie that's going to completely solve their netminder issues, particularly after he gets injured.

Some have mentioned Edmundson for Nick Robertson as a possible move with the Leafs.

 

[twabby]

Finally some sanity has been restored to the lineup