Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines/etc) | 2023-24 Regular Season Edition

[pman25]

This is a really strange argument you're making about actions in hindsight. You should probably go through past drafts and pick the available players you want us to have taken retrospectively.

Not really, The general manager should have made better moves. Moves many of us discussed here at the time! We are all talking about his track record. This is part of that.

I mean most of this message board is dedicated to talking about what ifs and what could have been or what should have been. What the f*** else do we talk about here

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

If you want to go on GMBM track record on the drafts and trade deadlines its not a good resume.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I doubt in no way that GMBM is completely capable of tearing it down and handling a rebuild pretty well. What I'm "crowing" about is the fact that ownership told him to retool and tell everyone we were retooling and that people bought it hook line and sinker knowing the assets we had available to try and do it with. It was no secret to me that nobody would want our misfit toys. The general consensus of optimism that we were sitting on a goldmine to trade off for young NHL ready talents was laughable. We should have started this process a couple years ago when it became pretty obvious the team was cooked and maybe we could have done a little "retooling" before said assets had negative value. We'd be in a lot better spot now and probably a more competitive team for the twilight of 8s career.

When your boss wants you to do something a certain way, what do you do? You either follow “the plan”, or you don’t …. Which means you get fired.

All this GMBM hand-wringing is silly. He’s doing what is ordered of him, and he’s done well with those orders.

Yea Kuznetsov *could* have been traded for peanuts a year or more ago — vs the abject negative value he now represents. Who else though?

Orlov? Traded
Hathaway? Traded
Carlson? Not when they were “trying to win” in the Ovy age
Backstrom? LOL
Oshie? LOL
Wilson? LOL

Who? This owner values loyalty and sentiment over backstabbing and cold realities. He just does.

That’s not BMac’s doing. Like at all.

 

[alphabetical]

Not really, The general manager should have made better moves. Moves many of us discussed here at the time! We are all talking about his track record. This is part of that.

I mean most of this message board is dedicated to talking about what ifs and what could have been or what should have been. What the f*** else do we talk about here

You're advocating for dumping a bunch of salary during a cap crunch in addition to trading for multiple premium assets.

Keep living in that fantasy world, but don't get your panties in a bunch when someone points out the infeasibility.

 

[WanderingCapsFan]

Can we please sell HIGH on Mantha? Pucks are bouncing his way and going into the net. His compete level still sucks. Please put him up for auction to the highest bidder.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Can we please sell HIGH on Mantha? Pucks are bouncing his way and going into the net. His compete level still sucks. Please put him up for auction to the highest bidder.

Might as well. They won’t resign him, I’d wager, not for what he’s accustomed to, financially.

If he wanted 4m a year, I’d be interested. But he won’t. So sell him. Shortly.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

I also read an article today about how high Dowds trade value is

 

[Acallabeth]

When your boss wants you to do something a certain way, what do you do? You either follow “the plan”, or you don’t …. Which means you get fired.

All this GMBM hand-wringing is silly. He’s doing what is ordered of him, and he’s done well with those orders.

Yea Kuznetsov *could* have been traded for peanuts a year or more ago — vs the abject negative value he now represents. Who else though?

Orlov? Traded
Hathaway? Traded
Carlson? Not when they were “trying to win” in the Ovy age
Backstrom? LOL
Oshie? LOL
Wilson? LOL

Who? This owner values loyalty and sentiment over backstabbing and cold realities. He just does.

That’s not BMac’s doing. Like at all.

I thought we were talking about a top hockey club executive, not some pizza delivery guy. If a GM sees that the boss's idea is ridiculous, he has a say in it.

And yeah, your examples of GMBM doing a great job are trading a 4th liner, trading Orlov who was openly interested in signing with us again (speaking of loyalty and sentiment) and a bunch of decisions to do nothing until there's nothing more to be done. Unconvincing.

Not saying GMBM hasn't made good ideas. Adding Strome, Sandin and all the depth players were fine retooling moves. But the current personnel decisions are questionable and the draft picks are mediocre, I'm not sure why some behave like GMBM's every miss is someone else's fault.

 

[Capitals40]

I also read an article today about how high Dowds trade value is

He might be good for a 3rd rounder and a prospect, but dont expect a big haul for him.

 

[Random schmoe]

I can see a package deal where they trade Dowd and Mantha, retaining on the latter, take bad a bad expiring contract, and get a first plus something smaller.

Replace Mantha with Jensen or TVR and the plus becomes significantly bigger, though they wouldn't retain for 2 more seasons.

 

[twabby]

He might be good for a 3rd rounder and a prospect, but dont expect a big haul for him.

It's speculation at this point but I think Dowd's value is much higher. He's a non-rental on a great contract and his name has been all over the place in trade rumors. I wouldn't be shocked if Dowd could fetch a late first rounder at this point. Eller and Hathaway got second round picks last year as rentals and Dowd is a substantially better player than both and has 2 years left.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I thought we were talking about a top hockey club executive, not some pizza delivery guy. If a GM sees that the boss's idea is ridiculous, he has a say in it.

And yeah, your examples of GMBM doing a great job are trading a 4th liner, trading Orlov who was openly interested in signing with us again (speaking of loyalty and sentiment) and a bunch of decisions to do nothing until there's nothing more to be done. Unconvincing.

Not saying GMBM hasn't made good ideas. Adding Strome, Sandin and all the depth players were fine retooling moves. But the current personnel decisions are questionable and the draft picks are mediocre, I'm not sure why some behave like GMBM's every miss is someone else's fault.

Yeah, I’m painting him out to be a pizza delivery guy. You got me.

It seems posters like you just want to “blame” someone or something for where the team is. You all want your pound of flesh. That’s great and all, but it’s short sighted, from where I sit.

Everyone that is involved in the franchise, since say 2015, is part of what they have achieved, both the good and the bad. Simply because the Caps were able to achieve the “good” first, means the “bad” is all people are thinking about now. A LOT of recency bias.

They are bad now exactly BECAUSE they were good for so long. No franchise is truly immune to that, in any pro sport….especially in a salary cap league.

It’s the posters that want him fired that are clowns, from where I sit.

Whomever they are

 

[crab]

It's speculation at this point but I think Dowd's value is much higher. He's a non-rental on a great contract and his name has been all over the place in trade rumors. I wouldn't be shocked if Dowd could fetch a late first rounder at this point. Eller and Hathaway got second round picks last year as rentals and Dowd is a substantially better player than both and has 2 years left.

I think Dowd is undervalued to an extent since most see him as a 4th liner. But really he is pretty much a 3rd line center, I think his average ice time would be consistent with 3rd line centers across the league.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

It's speculation at this point but I think Dowd's value is much higher. He's a non-rental on a great contract and his name has been all over the place in trade rumors. I wouldn't be shocked if Dowd could fetch a late first rounder at this point. Eller and Hathaway got second round picks last year as rentals and Dowd is a substantially better player than both and has 2 years left.

1 year left….

I thought we were talking about a top hockey club executive, not some pizza delivery guy. If a GM sees that the boss's idea is ridiculous, he has a say in it.

And yeah, your examples of GMBM doing a great job are trading a 4th liner, trading Orlov who was openly interested in signing with us again (speaking of loyalty and sentiment) and a bunch of decisions to do nothing until there's nothing more to be done. Unconvincing.

Not saying GMBM hasn't made good ideas. Adding Strome, Sandin and all the depth players were fine retooling moves. But the current personnel decisions are questionable and the draft picks are mediocre, I'm not sure why some behave like GMBM's every miss is someone else's fault.

Orlov was so loyal he wanted 5 years at $7 mil +, ended up settling for 2 after he woke up in reality.

 

[pman25]

Someone like Edmonton should be all over Dowd and/or Lindgren.

I’d package them for a 1 and a 2. I’d even add Playoff Performer Joel Edmundson for 50% retained at no additional cost!

 

[Midnight Judges]

Kuznetsov has 11 assists through 43 games and he's playing 19 minutes per.

He's 31.

What on Earth. That is the le bad stat of the year.

 

[Roshi]

The ”i told you we suck” is useless. We all knew it was going to be a long shot. Its just about whats next. Very little reason to not just go for the long shot.

Give it few more games as its still in the range, some tough match ups. If (when) it doesnt bite then sell sell sell. And try again next year. Still no rush anywhere. Our prospect pool isnt deep or good enough to get all excited and our core isnt returning high end assets in a trade. We can aswell recoup on FA-pool/trademarket and go for another long shot.

 

[YippieKaey]

In the game against the Stars, at like 15:07 of the first period, Ovi hit Suter and it looked like he has problems with the discs in his back. The hit was up for grabs but he made it awkwardly and then skated of very gingerly. So im quite convinced he has a back injury, even if he did score.

 

[Raikkonen]

Kuznetsov has 11 assists through 43 games and he's playing 19 minutes per.

He's 31.

What on Earth. That is the le bad stat of the year.

Kind of incredible. Never thought Kuzy can be much worse than super old Ovi.

 

[PlushMinus]

So - from reading pages and pages of discussion:

"The team is absolute dogshit and has real problems with scoring - but it's nobody's fault"

It's all just bad luck

 

[usiel]

So - from reading pages and pages of discussion:

"The team is absolute dogshit and has real problems with scoring - but it's nobody's fault"

It's all just bad luck

For me they were trying to thread the needle intigrating some younger prospect with enough veterans to take advantage if they get in a groove make a run for the playoffs. For me it feels like that is not going to work which for me its time to tear it down to the studs. Obviously AO stays and likely Wilson (I don't think he can be even trade with the pending new contract).

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Kuznetsov has 11 assists through 43 games and he's playing 19 minutes per.

He's 31.

What on Earth. That is the le bad stat of the year.

I’d say he’s possibly the worst player on the team by a decent margin when you look at the ratio of cost versus performance.

I sincerely hope they buy him out next summer. “Thanks for 2018, but GTFO now”.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

I thought we were talking about a top hockey club executive, not some pizza delivery guy. If a GM sees that the boss's idea is ridiculous, he has a say in it.

And yeah, your examples of GMBM doing a great job are trading a 4th liner, trading Orlov who was openly interested in signing with us again (speaking of loyalty and sentiment) and a bunch of decisions to do nothing until there's nothing more to be done. Unconvincing.

Not saying GMBM hasn't made good ideas. Adding Strome, Sandin and all the depth players were fine retooling moves. But the current personnel decisions are questionable and the draft picks are mediocre, I'm not sure why some behave like GMBM's every miss is someone else's fault.

The Caps haven’t drafted high until last year. When they finally did, they got Ryan Leonard, who looks like he’s going to be a problem in the NHL much like Wilson before him.

 

[Kuz]

But the current personnel decisions are questionable and the draft picks are mediocre, I'm not sure why some behave like GMBM's every miss is someone else's fault.

Dont really see the problem with recent drafting. Caps have mostly drafted late in the 1st round.

2023 Leonard looks like a good pick at 8th. Right now Benson looks like the best pick at the spot, but a lot of teams also passed on him after the Capitals. Cristall looks like a very good 2nd round pick and will be exciting too see if he can make it.

2022 Miroshnichenko looks like a very good pick at 20th and Chesley aswell looks like he will be good value in the 2nd round.

2021 no 1st round pick, but Iorio looks like a good pick at 55th.

2020 Lapierre a decent pick aswell. Had hoped for even more from him by now.

2019 McMichael, Leason and Protas all looks like solid picks.

 

[trick9]

Kuznetsov has 11 assists through 43 games and he's playing 19 minutes per.

He's 31.

What on Earth. That is the le bad stat of the year.

I said it before and will say it again.

Once he gets bought out next summer, he might not even receive a league-minimum contract offer in the NHL, but has to settle for a PTO / KHL.

MoneyPuck odds update:

Capitals to make the Playoffs - 2.5% (6th worst in the NHL)

Capitals to win the 1st overall pick - 6.0%

Our SCF/Cup odds have both fallen to 0% already but atleast the odds to make the ECF are still alive at 0.1%!