Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines/etc) | 2023-24 Regular Season Edition

[RandyHolt]

If we are going to blow it up, and we need to, start with BMac.

I know some think he can do no wrong, but he looks to be batting .200 since 2018.

I was a lone wolf calling for change 2 years ago. Winning Cup to not winning a round - tick tock

 

[Holtbyisms]

I was a lone wolf calling for change 2 years ago. Winning Cup to not winning a round - tick tock

I was right there with you. Devoured for laughing at the "retool"

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Everyone pretty much had this team as battling for a WC spot or worse.

Some of us also suggested a long painful rebuild was coming.

It’s entirely conceivable that none of our assets (that were available for the retool the last year+ have much value), so they were/are stuck until some contracts wind down.

me…I’m going to enjoy the memories of our Cup, and wait patiently. This could all blow up much quicker if Ovechkin decides to retire or ask out (the latter I find inconceivable, but you never know). There’s no quick fix.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I wouldnt say being worst team in the NHL for years is ’having hockey gods in your corner’. They did have great timing to suck with Bedard, but lets wait to see if they can get it going before giving them a rebuilder-award.

We’ve seen heavy tankers in Sabres. Oilers. Even Devils. Still nothing to show for it.

I love the Vegas approach. Trades and FA. Who needs draft picks.

Just young Superstars/stars, young promising rosters and prospects….

 

[IafrateOvie34]

Everyone pretty much had this team as battling for a WC spot or worse.

Some of us also suggested a long painful rebuild was coming.

It’s entirely conceivable that none of our assets (that were available for the retool the last year+ have much value), so they were/are stuck until some contracts wind down.

me…I’m going to enjoy the memories of our Cup, and wait patiently. This could all blow up much quicker if Ovechkin decides to retire or ask out (the latter I find inconceivable, but you never know). There’s no quick fix.

Same. We've lived through several generations of Caps teams and sports is a vicious cycle. They're technically still fighting for the WC, but I truly believe this may be Winnipeg or Vancouver's year.

 

[g00n]

What part of "the best player in franchise and maybe NHL history didn't want to be on a rebuilding team" don't people understand?

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

I wouldnt say being worst team in the NHL for years is ’having hockey gods in your corner’. They did have great timing to suck with Bedard, but lets wait to see if they can get it going before giving them a rebuilder-award.

We’ve seen heavy tankers in Sabres. Oilers. Even Devils. Still nothing to show for it.

I love the Vegas approach. Trades and FA. Who needs draft picks.

I’m not gonna go into it too much, but if you know you know, and they did some evil shit in that franchise to some young men

And just look at what happened to Connor Bedard‘s mom…

 

[Corby78]

Well all I know is I’ve already started my draft board. Had one last year and it got me through Feb/Mar watching and reading about prospects. So again I’m more looking forward to the draft then playoffs.

Also hoping for a three point game tonight in Seattle because I’m already on tank watch

 

[pman25]

The thing that bothers me about Bmac is some of the moves we didn’t make. Targeting young players in need of new contracts/cap casualties like Reinhart or Devon Toews or Bjorkstrand. All these guys were had for 1st/2nd/3rd round picks. They could have been had!

Reinhart went for #28 and Levi. We probably get him with #20 and a prospect. We had an opportunity to offer sheet Toews. NYI had no $ to match which is why they dumped him.

And it’s not like this is all hindsight, some of us brought it up at the time! We just didn’t go for it. Real bummer.

But hey the Strome pick up was nice, I’ll give him that

 

[aonb]

my biggest issue with this team is that it's so dull that words can't describe it. i've turned off our games at least 6-7 times this season because i kept dozing off. i can tolerate ineffective hockey, i can endure poor defensive play, but i can't stand boring hockey. i don't need 8-7 scores, but at least some energy and creativity. you can lose, but don't put people to sleep.

 

[ClevelandCapsfan]

Well all I know is I’ve already started my draft board. Had one last year and it got me through Feb/Mar watching and reading about prospects. So again I’m more looking forward to the draft then playoffs.

Also hoping for a three point game tonight in Seattle because I’m already on tank watch

 

[YippieKaey]

Used to be that Ovi scoring could offset a loss. Now he's not scoring and playoffs seem very unlikely. So really don't see a point in not tanking. Or just getting playmakers with shit defense to get Ovi some goals.

 

[alphabetical]

The thing that bothers me about Bmac is some of the moves we didn’t make. Targeting young players in need of new contracts/cap casualties like Reinhart or Devon Toews or Bjorkstrand. All these guys were had for 1st/2nd/3rd round picks. They could have been had!

Reinhart went for #28 and Levi. We probably get him with #20 and a prospect. We had an opportunity to offer sheet Toews. NYI had no $ to match which is why they dumped him.

And it’s not like this is all hindsight, some of us brought it up at the time! We just didn’t go for it. Real bummer.

But hey the Strome pick up was nice, I’ll give him that

You're mad that our team didn't secure every available high end player. I'm not sure that's realistic, especially considering how close to the cap we've been for the last 15 years.

 

[Ridley Simon]

So the “I told you so” crew is now crowing, and the GMBM apologists are proven to be idiots.

Is that it?

Cool, consider me an idiot. As you get older, you tend to appreciate what happens in your life more, as you recognize things are fleeting.

But that’s just me.

GMBM is every bit as capable of a tear down artist as anyone else’s “we don’t know how they will do” GM. BMac was tasked with maximing the Ovechkin years. I’m hard pressed to fault him for how they went.

It wasn’t his fault they lost in 16 & 17. Shit happens. Those were def Cup years. Maybe 19 was. But that’s it.

The rest has been him following an edict from up high. If you think otherwise, then you don’t know Ted n Dick.

As soon as BMac gets the “tear down” greenlight, he’s as good as anyone to accomplish the task.

Let’s not all be obtuse here.

 

[Pigskin]

I can't see us getting a new GM that will be better. Happy with GMBM.

 

[SherVaughn30]

I can't see us getting a new GM that will be better. Happy with GMBM.

And the fact that Ted/Dick held onto McPhee for 17 years! Just imagine how long BMac could stay for the fact they won a Cup under his employment as GM! We have a dumb owner that still prefers his crappy Wizards team despite the hockey team he owns won a Cup and proven to have more pro sports success. OUR OWNER DOESN'T LIKE FIRING PEOPLE BECAUSE ITS NEGATIVE BUSINESS IN HIS MIND!

 

[pman25]

You're mad that our team didn't secure every available high end player. I'm not sure that's realistic, especially considering how close to the cap we've been for the last 15 years.

I’m not saying all of them, just one or two would have been nice. I only list them all to say there are always available targets each year.

Reinhart or Toews would have been very doable transactions to make at the time

 

[alphabetical]

I’m not saying all of them, just one or two would have been nice. I only list them all to say there are always available targets each year.

Reinhart or Toews would have been very doable transactions to make at the time

They couldn't have afforded to sign either player to their current contracts and stay cap compliant. They've had cap space for about 3 months now for the first time in 15 years.

 

[pman25]

They couldn't have afforded to sign either player to their current contracts and stay cap compliant. They've had cap space for about 3 months now for the first time in 15 years.

Toews was initially signed to 4 years at 4.1AAV, so yes they could have signed him

Most GMs find ways to move cap. Colorado and Florida have managed to sign these guys despite having other superstars around.

We had contracts that were moveable if we were aggressive about it we just chose not to be which is my point

 

[Holtbyisms]

I doubt in no way that GMBM is completely capable of tearing it down and handling a rebuild pretty well. What I'm "crowing" about is the fact that ownership told him to retool and tell everyone we were retooling and that people bought it hook line and sinker knowing the assets we had available to try and do it with. It was no secret to me that nobody would want our misfit toys. The general consensus of optimism that we were sitting on a goldmine to trade off for young NHL ready talents was laughable. We should have started this process a couple years ago when it became pretty obvious the team was cooked and maybe we could have done a little "retooling" before said assets had negative value. We'd be in a lot better spot now and probably a more competitive team for the twilight of 8s career.

 

[HTFN]

I doubt in no way that GMBM is completely capable of tearing it down and handling a rebuild pretty well. What I'm "crowing" about is the fact that ownership told him to retool and tell everyone we were retooling and that people bought it hook line and sinker knowing the assets we had available to try and do it with. It was no secret to me that nobody would want our misfit toys. The general consensus of optimism that we were sitting on a goldmine to trade off for young NHL ready talents was laughable. We should have started this process a couple years ago when it became pretty obvious the team was cooked and maybe we could have done a little "retooling" before said assets had negative value. We'd be in a lot better spot now and probably a more competitive team for the twilight of 8s career.

What consensus? Arguing at the wind.

 

[crab]

Not a big fan of what GMBM has done recently but his hands have been tied to a certain extent. At this point I rather give him the shot at the rebuild than risking it with another GM. So many GMs are so bad that it’s not worth the risk.

 

[arlcapsfan]

I don’t think it’s GMBM. Pretty sure his hands are tied behind his back by Ted and Dick. Take a good look at the Wiz…that’s where we’re headed.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I doubt in no way that GMBM is completely capable of tearing it down and handling a rebuild pretty well. What I'm "crowing" about is the fact that ownership told him to retool and tell everyone we were retooling and that people bought it hook line and sinker knowing the assets we had available to try and do it with. It was no secret to me that nobody would want our misfit toys. The general consensus of optimism that we were sitting on a goldmine to trade off for young NHL ready talents was laughable. We should have started this process a couple years ago when it became pretty obvious the team was cooked and maybe we could have done a little "retooling" before said assets had negative value. We'd be in a lot better spot now and probably a more competitive team for the twilight of 8s career.

It’s that your angle comes across as it was some giant lie by GMBM and somehow you sniffed out the evil mastermind frauds that they are, that I take issue with. very conspiracy theory‘ish feel…

They tried, and prices were probably irrationally high and our assets held little/no value, so they were and are stuck.

crow away…not sure at what, but knock yourself out!

 

[alphabetical]

Toews was initially signed to 4 years at 4.1AAV, so yes they could have signed him

Most GMs find ways to move cap. Colorado and Florida have managed to sign these guys despite having other superstars around.

We had contracts that were moveable if we were aggressive about it we just chose not to be which is my point

This is a really strange argument you're making about actions in hindsight. You should probably go through past drafts and pick the available players you want us to have taken retrospectively.