Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!

[kicksavedave]

I can’t really justify giving Eller a spot over Milano at this point. Milano is their top 5v5 point producer on a per 60 basis and has big positive impacts on offensive playdriving.

You should know by now that things like points per 60 mean less than nothing to Lavi. Spronger was one of our top P/60 and G/60 players last year and he got squadoosh from Lavi for it. McMic this year also... So Milano Cookie will sit on his butt when Willy and Backie are both back, This is how Lavi rolls, he never met an analytic he liked or understood. They don't talk about those things in the room.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

You should know by now that things like points per 60 mean less than nothing to Lavi. Spronger was one of our top P/60 and G/60 players last year and he got squadoosh from Lavi for it. McMic this year also... So Milano Cookie will sit on his butt when Willy and Backie are both back, This is how Lavi rolls, he never met an analytic he liked or understood. They don't talk about those things in the room.

They’re going through some things in the room and it isn’t analytics.

 

[JayBeagleFanAccount]

lars eller shouldnt play another minute for this team, there are probably 5 guys in hershey that would be better options

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

lars eller shouldnt play another minute for this team, there are probably 5 guys in hershey that would be better options

That may be extreme but he certainly shouldn’t be playing big minutes anymore.

 

[DWGie26]

You’re saying we would have to pay to move Mantha? No way.

No. I am saying we get value back in exchange for him. Versus DET possibly losing Vrana for free.

 

[Jags]

lars eller shouldnt play another minute for this team, there are probably 5 guys in hershey that would be better options

It was a gaffe. We've got lots of guys that do the boneheaded thing with a frequency. It happens. I'm more concerned with his penalty uptick lately (in general, the one at the end of regulation tonight was fine).

We need to be realistic about his situation. Lavi has made it clear that 3C belongs to Eller right now. That won't change until Nick comes back, then it's a question. Given that Lavi never shortens Eller's leash no matter what he does, Strome is more likely to move to wing.

And I think I'm okay with that, if only because it feels likely to me that if Lavi did try someone at 3C, he'd put Eller at wing. Eller at wing at evens will be terrible. He might help the forecheck a little on the 4th, but he'll take some of the offensive bite out of that line. And if he can't stay out of the penalty box then he can't PK and there's no point to him at all.

He needs to get his head on straight, cuz our coach gives him all the leeway in the world.

 

[barriers]

 

[discobob]

So where do we get the cap space to activate Nick and Willy?

 

[Calicaps]

So where do we get the cap space to activate Nick and Willy?

Wilson has been counting against the cap all along. Nick will require that we send a guy or two down. Protas may be the odd man out because he's waiver-exempt, which sucks. Snively could get waived, but I suspect he gets claimed which they may want to avoid. NAK is another option.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

So where do we get the cap space to activate Nick and Willy?

I could be wrong on all of this but I think it stands like this: Carlson is on IR, not LTIR, so his cap hit still counts. If they put him on LTIR that’ll clear up the space for Nick and I suspect they haven’t put him on LTIR yet because of the difference in how IR and LTIR works as it relates to banking cap space. Wilson has been on IR and not LTIR all season, I assume for that reason. According to CapFriendly they currently have $4.6M in cap space. Wilson is currently counting against the cap so they need about $5M for Backy.

Also, I’m pretty sure they’ll have to waive/move two people regardless of cap space because they’re at a 23-man roster so in order to activate Wilson and Nicky they’ll need two open roster spots.

 

[YippieKaey]

Wilson has been counting against the cap all along. Nick will require that we send a guy or two down. Protas may be the odd man out because he's waiver-exempt, which sucks. Snively could get waived, but I suspect he gets claimed which they may want to avoid. NAK is another option.

Yeah NAK should be the one to go. Protas has earned his spot and Snively brings speed and offense which we need. NAK has been alright but doesn't provide anything in particular.

 

[barriers]

 

[Ridley Simon]

Really want to know what his injuries are. Assuming sucks. But, that’s the nature of it

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Really want to know what his injuries are. Assuming sucks. But, that’s the nature of it

Massive deep cut I bet….maybe a fractured cheekbone?

 

[Ridley Simon]

Massive deep cut I bet….maybe a fractured cheekbone?

I think the broken facial bone makes the most sense.

We probably will wear a full shield or cage when he comes back.

 

[pman25]

highly doubt Snively gets claimed if he were waived. Most orgs have a Snively type in their org. He's not too young and doesn't have any high draft status pedigree and is also signed for another year, so teams take that in mind as well and want contract flexibility going into the offseason

 

[Hivemind]

So where do we get the cap space to activate Nick and Willy?

John Carlson going to LTIR

 

[IafrateOvie34]

Wilson has been counting against the cap all along. Nick will require that we send a guy or two down. Protas may be the odd man out because he's waiver-exempt, which sucks. Snively could get waived, but I suspect he gets claimed which they may want to avoid. NAK is another option.

I would have no problem with this. He can work on finishing and scoring skills after learning NHL grinding so far. Then next year he can be our Tage Thompson! Protas is the type of guy that is patient and articulate and will do whatever the team asks. I love the kid.

Ekholm?

 

[ClevelandCapsfan]

Is it just my iPad or have the advertising pop ups on this site gotten out of control lately? Makes reading these HF forums a real pain.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Is it just my iPad or have the advertising pop ups on this site gotten out of control lately? Makes reading these HF forums a real pain.

I’m always on my iPads….zero pop ups….

 

[Hivemind]

Is it just my iPad or have the advertising pop ups on this site gotten out of control lately? Makes reading these HF forums a real pain.

Visiting here without an ad blocker is a nightmare. The iOS/mobile versions of this site are practically unusable.

 

[DWGie26]

I just ran a CapFriendly model with Backstrom, Oshie, and Wilson all in the lineup. Carlson to LTIR. Snively to waivers and Protas to Hershey. 23 Man roster. Shows Cap available at 7M. This seems off but i have triple checked it. But it would seem Cap is not our issue… it is the 23 man roster.

 

[DWGie26]

Ran two other models. One was with the roster as it stands and it shows 6M in cap space which makes sense as swapping JC74 for Backstrom is 1.2M.

Players accrue cap hit daily (you’ll notice daily cap number on individual players). So if they are only playing half the games, they only count for half of their cap hit.

The other scenario i ran was if everyone is back. Same as above but also Alexyev on waivers. As of today that would put us 100k over the Cap. But JC74 will be on LTIR for 15+ games so when he comes back there will be Cap space for everyone. Again the issue is the 23 man roster cause people are going to have to go.

 

[pman25]

So basically it’s two of Snively, Protas, NAK, and AA

 

[HecticGlow]

Players accrue cap hit daily (you’ll notice daily cap number on individual players). So if they are only playing half the games, they only count for half of their cap hit.

The other scenario i ran was if everyone is back. Same as above but also Alexyev on waivers. As of today that would put us 100k over the Cap. But JC74 will be on LTIR for 15+ games so when he comes back there will be Cap space for everyone. Again the issue is the 23 man roster cause people are going to have to go.

I don’t see how that makes sense, when players on LTIR continue to count against the cap? LTIR allows us to exceed the cap by a value up to the cap hit of the player(s) on LTIR, but that’s why you don’t bank any money compared to a team that is under the cap hit (i.e. without anyone on LTIR).

Carlson, Backstrom and Wilson all being on the active roster, without corresponding moves to LTIR, would put us over the cap in your last scenario. It can however be done if you keep Snively or Protas instead of NAK on the active roster as the 13/14F. In this scenario you also couldn’t afford to keep Alexeyev on roster over Irwin, though.

Simply put we’re not in the cap hell we could have been because Brown and Hagelin both unfortunately ended up on LTIR for the year. But to get JC back into an otherwise healthy roster and stay cap compliant, we’d either need to:
- risk losing Alexeyev on waivers;
- carry a 22 man roster (i.e. keep Alexeyev over Irwin and waive/send down all of Protas, NAK and Snively); or
- Waive/trade a veteran like Eller, Mojo, Sheary, Hathaway etc.

It’s hard to sense where they’re at with Alexeyev, given he is sitting for Irwin and doesn’t look like a guy who’s about to break out as a top-4 NHLer any year soon. Not sure what trade value there’d be for him at this point, and I can see them waiving him if they think there’s a chance he’ll clear.

Sniveley hasn’t shown a lot this year (in the few chances he’s had) to make me think he wouldn’t clear waivers. NAK is unlikely to be claimed, unless another banged-up team like Colorado wants him (back). He’s been a stopgap anyway, so not the biggest loss if claimed. Protas would be best served in the lineup in Hershey than on nacho duty, and I can see him being displaced when Wilson comes back.