Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!

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Ovechkin-Strome-Mantha
Milano-Kuzy-Sheary
Protas-CMM-Mojo
Aube-Kubel-Dowd-Hathaway

I'd be open to swapping Strome and CMM to see what happens, too.
 

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Ovechkin-Strome-Mantha
Milano-Kuzy-Sheary
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Aube-Kubel-Dowd-Hathaway

I'd be open to swapping Strome and CMM to see what happens, too.
Not a bad idea trying Kuzy and Milano together. The team needs a line that has some energy / creativity / speed and that could be it. Will be a risk defensively but imho this team needs to take some risks. This slow / ultra conservative thing they're doing is boring as hell and not working.
 
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Haha this team / coach has no clue whatsoever.

Put Milano at 1RW, McMichael 2C, move Strome to 2RW or 2LW depending on his shot (I believe Mantha can and frequently has in the past played LW).

Lavi has no vision whatsoever. Just do the same thing over and over again, watch it fail, and repeat.
Say what? CMM is not ready to play 2C every game and be consistent as a 2-way center. He needs to earn a foothold on 3C first and right now Eller is still the better 3C option. Kuzy and Strome will continue to interchange playing 1C/2C.
 

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So with Orlov/Carlson most likely out for Monday's game, what will the D pairs be? Could it be:

Fever-Jensen
Gustafsson-TVR
LuJo-Irwin
 

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So with Orlov/Carlson most likely out for Monday's game, what will the D pairs be? Could it be:

Fever-Jensen
Gustafsson-TVR
LuJo-Irwin
That is what i would think. I”m excited to see LuJo play even if it is with Irwin.
 

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That is what i would think. I”m excited to see LuJo play even if it is with Irwin.
LuJo had a fairly good preseason and Irwin knows the system even though he has limitation. I will say Irwin actually plays better defense than Carlson. LuJo can add some offensive ability and he's mobile.

Any word on how Alexeyev's conditioning stint is going with Hershey?
 

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LuJo had a fairly good preseason and Irwin knows the system even though he has limitation. I will say Irwin actually plays better defense than Carlson. LuJo can add some offensive ability and he's mobile.

Any word on how Alexeyev's conditioning stint is going with Hershey?
I watched the bears game today, and Alexyev looked better then his first game which i watched parts of. Still having some timing issues with how he collects the puck behind the net, passes are off, and he misplayed some pucks. He definitely needs more games to get his timing and play back. I’m hopeful he’ll get a chance in washington this year, but that time is not now.

tonight was his 5th rehab game (which is an extended rehab) so he must now go to Washington where Caps will have to decide to keep him or waive him for purposes of a loan to Hershey. I suspect that is what they will do, and assume he easily clears as no NHL team will put him on their active roster. Plus i suspect there is an unwritten understanding with someone on an injury that needs time to not be claimed.
 

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I watched the bears game today, and Alexyev looked better then his first game which i watched parts of. Still having some timing issues with how he collects the puck behind the net, passes are off, and he misplayed some pucks. He definitely needs more games to get his timing and play back. I’m hopeful he’ll get a chance in washington this year, but that time is not now.

tonight was his 5th rehab game (which is an extended rehab) so he must now go to Washington where Caps will have to decide to keep him or waive him for purposes of a loan to Hershey. I suspect that is what they will do, and assume he easily clears as no NHL team will put him on their active roster. Plus i suspect there is an unwritten understanding with someone on an injury that needs time to not be claimed.
Are you crazy, Alexeyev will not pass through waivers. This season is his last year on his contract and he's still a RFA. That would be a free young player for another team and poor asset management. Either LuJo goes down to Hershey because he was an emergency call-up or you put Irwin on waivers. Caps already made two blunders losing Leason and AJF.
 
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There is a zero percent chance he clears waivers. Some team who has the roster space will definitely pick him up and at least give him a shot.
 

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Say what? CMM is not ready to play 2C every game and be consistent as a 2-way center. He needs to earn a foothold on 3C first and right now Eller is still the better 3C option. Kuzy and Strome will continue to interchange playing 1C/2C.
Based on what? SherVaughn30 player development 101? That is simply your view of how a player earns a spot / foothold.

I didn't say CMM should play as 2C permanently. I meant give him a game at 2C, move Strome to wing, and see how he does. He should be playing his natural position since we've seen that he isn't doing anything at wing.

This team is currently so bad that they should be mixing up the lines every single game until they see some chemistry among linemates and positive outcomes. They are going to lose most of the upcoming games anyway unless some kind of offensive miracle happens
 
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CMM's development is so weird. The team desperately needs play driving centers. The guy is a natural center. Why play him on the wing? Every time he has played center, he has looked considerably more comfortable and impactful. Last season his game really began to slide when Caps got their full complement of centers back and he had to move to the wing.

I'd understand if this was a way to give him meaningful minutes but he doesn't get any meaningful minutes.
 

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Instead they claimed a grinder on the waiver wire who can’t help but take a bunch of stupid penalties and his acquisition is forcing CMM out of the lineup. It’s shortsighted nonsense IMO.

With the spate of recent injuries, picking up a body off waivers is nothing to feel iffy about, and giving that guy a game to see what you have isn't a bad idea, either. I don't mind the tinkering. The one upside to all the injuries is that it's forcing Laviolette to loosen up with personnel and try some things he likely wouldn't otherwise, just like early last year.

If he can resist his tendency to shelter guys he doesn't trust with dogshit minutes, we might actually learn some things about our team. Let this lineup play, come hell or high water. See what Milano, LuJo, and AK can do. Giving them room to succeed means giving them room to f*** up, too. We've got keepers standing on their heads and a team decimated by injury. Never a better time to let your team play for each other and see what they can gut out, and the guys new to the lineup have the added edge of playing for a job.

Best thing Lavi can do right now is hogtie himself so this team can just play.
 

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Are you crazy, Alexeyev will not pass through waivers. This season is his last year on his contract and he's still a RFA. That would be a free young player for another team and poor asset management. Either LuJo goes down to Hershey because he was an emergency call-up or you put Irwin on waivers. Caps already made two blunders losing Leason and AJF.
I am not crazy… just educated. AJF and Leason had NHL books on them, and had played significant games and they were on people’s radar. Cholowski had NHL games when we claimed him. So did NAK. Alexeyev has none and he isn’t at all NHL ready which is what waiver claims have to be given their nature. I’ve also watched AA play and he is not NHL ready in the least. He needs AHL games.
 

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There is a zero percent chance he clears waivers. Some team who has the roster space will definitely pick him up and at least give him a shot.
As fans, we place way more value on our prospects then others. Human nature. There is nothing to see with AA passing through waivers. He will go down immediately unless Orlov and JC74 are going to be out Beyond this week. I expect him to be up and down immediately without ever leaving Hershey.
 

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I'm one of the guys who has been banging the ''Free CMM'' -drum but mostly towards moving him to AHL so he can actually play some hockey (~35 minutes spread over 4 games so far). I don't mind playing him on the wing for the Capitals as the options are very limited because of all the injuries.

But are you seriously complaining why he doesn't get to play as our 2C? He has done shit to earn a center spot so far.

I feel like these stats against him are propably forbidden here but why should a guy with these stat earn more defensive responsibilities?

Corsi for: 23
Corsi against: 53

Chances for: 11
Chances against: 24

High-danger chances for: 6
High-danger chances against: 9

xGF: 0.79
xGA: 2.46

He's bleeding chances against in very limited minutes and in a very sheltered role. It's not entirely on him because he's being thrown all around the line-up so that he doesn't really get to build chemistry with anyone. But he needs to get his confidence back, clean up his game and work his ass off to earn another shot. Right now he's miles away from being a trusted center at the NHL-level.
 

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having aube-kubel in a line up is funny because its like having four players on a single line

aube-kubel-dowd-hathaway
Having that line built together is also pretty funny because Aube-Kubel and Hathaway are very similar style of players. Hathaway is bigger and slightly more physical but Aube-Kubel is pretty good hitter for a guy his size and he's slightly faster. Both are pests so we'll see how eager the refs are blowing their whistles when both of them are on the ice at the same time.

I remember Aube-Kubel as a really annoying player in his Philly days. Terrible hands but he was always looking to caught someone with his head down and he was always running after our star players. We'll see how that works out in here. Seeing he actually had some goals in his Avs tenure show slight improvement offensively.

I'll be pretty surprised if Laviolette doesn't fall in love with him and make him permanent 4LW.
 
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Why are we 8pm tonight at home? Seems strange

Because the NHL schedule makers are bound and determined to make us choose between watching the Caps and the NFL. The number of Caps games going up against football games so far this season seems unusually high.
 
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I'm one of the guys who has been banging the ''Free CMM'' -drum but mostly towards moving him to AHL so he can actually play some hockey (~35 minutes spread over 4 games so far). I don't mind playing him on the wing for the Capitals as the options are very limited because of all the injuries.

But are you seriously complaining why he doesn't get to play as our 2C? He has done shit to earn a center spot so far.

I feel like these stats against him are propably forbidden here but why should a guy with these stat earn more defensive responsibilities?

Corsi for: 23
Corsi against: 53

Chances for: 11
Chances against: 24

High-danger chances for: 6
High-danger chances against: 9

xGF: 0.79
xGA: 2.46

He's bleeding chances against in very limited minutes and in a very sheltered role. It's not entirely on him because he's being thrown all around the line-up so that he doesn't really get to build chemistry with anyone. But he needs to get his confidence back, clean up his game and work his ass off to earn another shot. Right now he's miles away from being a trusted center at the NHL-level.

He's played 35 minutes as you mentioned, spread out throughout stretches where he's been a healthy scratch for 4-5 games in a row and with inconsistent linemates.

Last year when he had more consistent ice time (even if not as much as I hoped for) and more consistent linemates here's what he did:

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Fantastic chance generation and suppression impacts over a 700 minute sample. It's disappointing that this apparently means nothing to the team, instead relying on his last 5 minutes of play to determine whether he gets a jersey for the next game.

I don't know that he should be the 2C, but he should certainly be getting 3C minutes over Lars Eller IMO. I don't think continuing to play Eller is going to do anything for the team in the short, medium, or long term.
 
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He's played 35 minutes as you mentioned, spread out throughout stretches where he's been a healthy scratch for 4-5 games in a row and with inconsistent linemates.

Last year when he had more consistent ice time (even if not as much as I hoped for) and more consistent linemates here's what he did:

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Fantastic chance generation and suppression impacts over a 700 minute sample. It's disappointing that this apparently means nothing to the team, instead relying on his last 5 minutes of play to determine whether he gets a jersey for the next game.
CMM got passed from a guy on waivers and never played for the team. I think its pretty clear where he fits on the roster now. Sadly I think hes going to be traded for short term playoff push.
 
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