I’d do it. The Ckarlsson duo would be amazing. It may mean we would need to let Orlov go, unless the retention was significant.
Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!
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twabby
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I just don’t know how many teams can really clear cap space by the TDL. Every contender seemingly is tight to the cap. Maybe the TDL price gouging counters this, I’m not sure.
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Or just get injured. Retention will be key and finding a middle ground both there and in the return.
It very likely will be a short list of teams that could maneuver their way into doing it by the deadline. Most aren't going to want to subtract two or three roster players to make it happen. So it probably is more of an off-season trade but Grier definitely should be trying. Even with Karlsson/Meier SJS is fifth-worse...and this is a year where teams in that range probably want to finish bottom four.
"San Jose trades Erik Karlsson and Timo Meier to the Washington Capitals for Anthony Mantha, Evgeny Kuznetsov, TJ Oshie and something something Irwin. It is reported that absolutely no blackmail was involved"
Caps need to sell this year. Wilson appears to be out again for an extended period of time and this lineup is ass. Put for sale signs on all of Eller, Hathaway, Sheary, Johansson, Irwin, Kuznetsov, and Mantha. Get the assets you can, take your lumps, and retool in the summer. Oh, and pray to the ping pong ball gods.
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Coming in 9th is much, much worse than coming in last. Unfortunately, with this lineup, that appears to be where we are headed.
We can’t score. Maybe we should put NAK on the top line?
I think they'll fall out of it pretty quickly here. They're not catching anyone above them unless the Rangers completely fall off a cliff which is pretty unrealistic when you have Shesterkin. You figure Carolina and New Jersey will do something substantial at the TDL. Pittsburgh is only one point behind them but have three games in hand. The Islanders have gone on a run and can leapfrog both Washington and Pittsburgh with a win against the lousy Canucks tonight. Buffalo has three games in hand and sit four points behind them. Florida has remembered how to play hockey and are right back in the thick of it.
You figure Boston, Tampa, Toronto, Carolina, and New Jersey are locks. The Rangers probably deserve lock status as well. That means there are five teams -- Washington, Pittsburgh, Florida, Buffalo, and the Islanders -- competing for two spots. Without Wilson and Carlson and with this beer league version of Kuznetsov I don't see it. Right now in their top six they have a guy who was put on waivers this year (NAK) and a guy released from a PTO (Milano), and the saddest part about that is both of them have been two of their best forwards.
They need to just accept that this isn't their year. There are 10 playoff quality teams in the East and they're 7th or 8th best, at best.
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I don’t understand why NAK gets so many shots at the first line
I hate first line NAK. I don't get it at all.
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I was just thinking how do we pull off a combo trade….from SJ’s perspective drop Oshie, add CMM + at least 1 first rounder (maybe 2)….Caps add Eller who SJ can flip. Work in retention to make it all work out.
We've got way better players than NAK who can do that stuff.
NAK may tick the right boxes, but he's no more than a 4th liner/13th forward.
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hopefully the team can see that this is the case instead of doing their normal trade for two depth pieces then kick back and float into a first round exit
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Should but won't. Got to get that playoff revenue to maintain appearances. The ironic argument in favor of not selling is keeping better pieces around Ovechkin. And yet here he is playing with waiver fodder. Shrug.
The biggest thing is not giving up a first rounder for a f***ing rental. Or a Boeser type that isn't a needle mover. I'm sure they'll try to at least keep pace with NYI/BUF/FLA but definitely have to wonder if they've got enough steam.
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My two cents FWIW.
The litmus test for where the Capitals are will be decided next week. Five games, two of the teams could be first round opponents if the Capitals make the playoffs. Games against Boston, Canes twice, Sharks and Panthers. I believe the Caps would have to get at minimum five points from those games and that'll determine the course BMAC will set for the team for the remainder of the season. At the very least, BMAC will have to move someone from the current 50 man roster in order to sign RW Ethen Frank, the sooner the better. Bottom line, I see the Capitals either just standing pat or being sellers.
BMAC's signing of 25 year old Strome (RFA) and 26 year old Milano (UFA) indicates that he wants this team to get younger. Whether he moves the pending forwards that will be UFAs (Eller, Hathaway, Johansson, Sheary, Hagelin) before the TDL remains to be seen, but I don't envision any of them being resigned. They're all 30 or older and may be coming up on their last professional contract so they may be looking for more than we'd be willing to give. Besides there's younger/cheaper players that are already in the organization that can replace these players (McMichael, Malenstyn, Snively, Frank, Protas). Then there's NAK who's 26 and Brown who's 29 that I could see BMAC kicking the tires on.
Mantha I would love to see go as much as everyone else but his contract and performance is going to make it tough. BMAC may just have to ride out the storm on that contract, with one year remaining.
I think the uncertainty regarding Backstrom and if he'll be able to play next season may make the organization hesitant in moving Kuznetsov in the summer, but we'll see.
Who knows but next season we could be looking at forward lines:
Ovechkin - Backstrom - Wilson
Milano - Strome - Brown
Snively - McMichael - Frank
Malenstyn - Dowd - Oshie
NAK/Protas
The litmus test for where the Capitals are will be decided next week. Five games, two of the teams could be first round opponents if the Capitals make the playoffs. Games against Boston, Canes twice, Sharks and Panthers. I believe the Caps would have to get at minimum five points from those games and that'll determine the course BMAC will set for the team for the remainder of the season. At the very least, BMAC will have to move someone from the current 50 man roster in order to sign RW Ethen Frank, the sooner the better. Bottom line, I see the Capitals either just standing pat or being sellers.
BMAC's signing of 25 year old Strome (RFA) and 26 year old Milano (UFA) indicates that he wants this team to get younger. Whether he moves the pending forwards that will be UFAs (Eller, Hathaway, Johansson, Sheary, Hagelin) before the TDL remains to be seen, but I don't envision any of them being resigned. They're all 30 or older and may be coming up on their last professional contract so they may be looking for more than we'd be willing to give. Besides there's younger/cheaper players that are already in the organization that can replace these players (McMichael, Malenstyn, Snively, Frank, Protas). Then there's NAK who's 26 and Brown who's 29 that I could see BMAC kicking the tires on.
Mantha I would love to see go as much as everyone else but his contract and performance is going to make it tough. BMAC may just have to ride out the storm on that contract, with one year remaining.
I think the uncertainty regarding Backstrom and if he'll be able to play next season may make the organization hesitant in moving Kuznetsov in the summer, but we'll see.
Who knows but next season we could be looking at forward lines:
Ovechkin - Backstrom - Wilson
Milano - Strome - Brown
Snively - McMichael - Frank
Malenstyn - Dowd - Oshie
NAK/Protas
twabby
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Woof that is ugly.
I think non-rentals like Meier (or Karlsson if the stars align) should still be in play if they fit a vision for the next few years but if those types of deals look like they won't materialize then yeah, they really should be looking to sell off vets like you mentioned. I think Eller and Mantha should be shopped regardless. Kuznetsov barring a huge run in the postseason should be gone.
As Langway mentioned no high-priced rentals. Sure, throw a fifth round pick at a 6D or whatever. But aside from that I'd sell or go for a big fish with term left.
I think a team will be more desperate for Meier than we will be.
We still gotta unload a bunch of cap to even make it work.
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I don't know if we have the space or are willing to part with anyone to improve at the deadline
edit I made that comment before seeing who was hurt and who our lines were
I am now open to blowing it up. But who knows if Ted would allow that. When was the last time the Caps were major sellers?
edit I made that comment before seeing who was hurt and who our lines were
I am now open to blowing it up. But who knows if Ted would allow that. When was the last time the Caps were major sellers?
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Fine with selling. Rather get some value for assets that we aren’t going to bring back anyway.
The depth is fine. It’s the lack of high end talent that’s killing them. And when you’re already lacking in offensive talent and then you’re missing Carlson and Wilson and you’re getting 7 goals in 52 games from your top line center, you’re in trouble.
And yet the team is still technically in the playoffs.
The more I think about this — the more I see a big trade from GMBM to reset the roster.
Same. I think locking up Milano and Strome was not done in a vacuum. He’s going to get younger and he knows this core group doesn’t have it any more. There will be turnover this off-season, and maybe before.
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I'm not sure it'll happen by the TDL but this offseason certainly something big will change (barring a miracle playoff run).
I just find it hard to believe that Ted, GMBM, or even Ovechkin are content with their gradual decline into mediocrity without really even attempting some big moves to contend. Their biggest swing since the Cup run has been what, Vrana for Mantha? And that was more a desperate move to squeeze out any remaining value from a player who wasn't in their long-term plans rather than a thoughtful attempt to really add an impact talent.
Hard to see another offseason like the past several.
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