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AlexBrovechkin8 said:
Dillon, Orlov, Carlson right? I guess it depends how Siegs does but at this point don’t think it’s too hard of a decision.
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Right. Schultz? WGAS about him? KempnyJensen/Siegs? That’s an easily acceptable “loss”, I think.

Unless they somehow acquire a D-man w term, or Schultz has a HUGE year, or should be a pretty simple choice.

G is easy.

7 forwards shouldn’t be too hard either?
Top 6 and Eller?
 
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Ridley Simon said:
Right. Schultz? WGAS about him? KempnyJensen/Siegs? That’s an easily acceptable “loss”, I think.

Unless they somehow acquire a D-man w term, or Schultz has a HUGE year, or should be a pretty simple choice.

G is easy.

7 forwards shouldn’t be too hard either?
Top 6 and Eller?
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I have a funny feeling that because we all hate Schultz' contract so much, he's gonna blow us away this season. Or it might be gas.
 
AlexBrovechkin8 said:
Because it's the offseason.

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Well, its the offseason, but when one of the three highlights of a defenseman in a claim he's a "shutdown" D, is a play where all he does is look at the guy leaving the penalty box... then it's just another reminder to me that it's November and the NHL is still months away from returning. f*** 2020!!!
 
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Brian23 said:
Are we still all in on them picking Oshie...?
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They shouldn't be.

Everyone was convinced Vegas was going to take their old useless trash but instead they took quality pieces. Seattle will too.

Not that TJ is trash, but I'm not sure how much value he has to a new franchise.
 
Oshie would be a draw. And he’s a good player. His best assets are his hands, his vision, and his tenacity. Those should age well, assuming he doesn’t get more concussions (which he easily could).

He is a top 6W. I don’t see that changing for a few years. And when you consider the home grown aspect of it for the Kraken, it’s all very logical.

That said, I am one of the people (the minority?) who doesn’t want to see him leave the Capitals. I want him to finish his contract.
 
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Ridley Simon said:
Oshie would be a draw. And he’s a good player. His best assets are his hands, his vision, and his tenacity. Those should age well, assuming he doesn’t get more concussions (which he easily could).

He is a top 6W. I don’t see that changing for a few years. And when you consider the home grown aspect of it for the Kraken, it’s all very logical.

That said, I am one of the people (the minority?) who doesn’t want to see him leave the Capitals. I want him to finish his contract.
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I'm more and more of the opinion that they should protect Oshie, assuming he doesn't fall off a cliff next season. He's still productive and for a team looking to compete for the next few years why lose a guy like that for nothing in the expansion draft when they can expose other players who aren't nearly as good?

I get the idea of unloading a potentially bad contract but there will be other ways to get rid of it in the future.
 
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About Oshie, all Caps fans will love for him to still be here. Just that there is a cap conundrum for the next season.

Right now for the 2021-2022 season (expansion draft season) we have:

$16,333,334 in cap space (with a flat cap) with 15 players signed.

There are some biggies that we need to re-sign, biggest one being Ovechkin

Ovechkin - $9,200,000 - current contract
Vrana - $3,350,000 - current bridge contract
Samsonov - $925,000 - ELC
Siegenthaler - $800,000 - current 1 year bridge contract

Adding just their current contracts up = $14,275,000.

We will also need another goalie since Lundqvist is only a 1 year deal and a 7th defenseman, so that's pretty much the full $16.3 mill in cap space that we will have available total next year for 21 players - meaning $0 cap space.

And then we have to give them all raises. So the amount of cap space we need will at least equal to what we have to give out in raises to all of them.

We'll need to move players out, and of course Seattle could pick someone like a Panik or a Jensen, but moving Panik's ($2,750,000) or Jensen's ($2,500,00) alone is nowhere near enough to cover all those raises. Oshie ($5,750,000) or Orlov ($5,100,000) could give us that cap space. Even if we have to give Seattle a draft pick to take them.

The important thing is to not take any contracts back, so the Seattle draft gives us that opportunity.

Or maybe GMBM can work some magic with some trades before hand which is the ideal route. Either way, the flat cap really screwed us.
 
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twabby said:
I'm more and more of the opinion that they should protect Oshie, assuming he doesn't fall off a cliff next season. He's still productive and for a team looking to compete for the next few years why lose a guy like that for nothing in the expansion draft when they can expose other players who aren't nearly as good?

I get the idea of unloading a potentially bad contract but there will be other ways to get rid of it in the future.
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Completely with you. I have no interest in losing Oshie. I really like him as a player, as a locker room guy, and as a Capital. One of my favourites. Now he just needs to change his jersey number to 17, and he’d be in my trifecta.
 
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tenken00 said:
About Oshie, all Caps fans will love for him to still be here. Just that there is a cap conundrum for the next season.

Right now for the 2021-2022 season (expansion draft season) we have:

$16,333,334 in cap space (with a flat cap) with 15 players signed.

There are some biggies that we need to re-sign, biggest one being Ovechkin

Ovechkin - $9,200,000 - current contract
Vrana - $3,350,000 - current bridge contract
Samsonov - $925,000 - ELC
Siegenthaler - $800,000 - current 1 year bridge contract

Adding just their current contracts up = $14,275,000.

We will also need another goalie since Lundqvist is only a 1 year deal and a 7th defenseman, so that's pretty much the full $16.3 mill in cap space that we will have available total next year for 21 players - meaning $0 cap space.

And then we have to give them all raises. So the amount of cap space we need will at least equal to what we have to give out in raises to all of them.

We'll need to move players out, and of course Seattle could pick someone like a Panik or a Jensen, but moving Panik's ($2,750,000) or Jensen's ($2,500,00) alone is nowhere near enough to cover all those raises. Oshie ($5,750,000) or Orlov ($5,100,000) could give us that cap space. Even if we have to give Seattle a draft pick to take them.

The important thing is to not take any contracts back, so the Seattle draft gives us that opportunity.

Or maybe GMBM can work some magic with some trades before hand which is the ideal route. Either way, the flat cap really screwed us.
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We need to wait and see what the calendar year brings. There are a LOT of teams that are going to struggle with the salary cap if it stays flat again. So much so that it wouldn’t shock me if the league created a loophole for a season or 2, post COVID. Something akin to the NBA’s luxury tax for teams that are over a certain number, that could be spread to the teams that are under the certain threshold.

I’d wager a lot of things will be discussed. But, a lot will happen before then. So let’s wait and see.
 
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Ridley Simon said:
We need to wait and see what the calendar year brings. There are a LOT of teams that are going to struggle with the salary cap if it stays flat again. So much so that it wouldn’t shock me if the league created a loophole for a season or 2, post COVID. Something akin to the NBA’s luxury tax for teams that are over a certain number, that could be spread to the teams that are under the a certain threshold.

I’d wager a lot of things will be discussed. But, a lot will happen before then. So let’s wait and see.
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This is true, who knows what will happen by next year's time?

But no matter what, the biggest factor really depends on how much Ovie wants in his new contract.
 
tenken00 said:
About Oshie,
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Oshie was 2nd on the team in goals last season and there is no reason to expect that is going to change in any significant way for this next season. The season being reduced to 60 games only plays into his situation. You dont just remove and replace that level of goal scoring. Essentially you would be counting on Tom Wilson to be the 2nd shooting option on the pp. TJ Oshie is the difference in at least one seeding position in the playoffs with his SO ability.

When he cant do it anymore you move him. He is critical until then
 
txpd said:
Oshie was 2nd on the team in goals last season and there is no reason to expect that is going to change in any significant way for this next season. The season being reduced to 60 games only plays into his situation. You dont just remove and replace that level of goal scoring. Essentially you would be counting on Tom Wilson to be the 2nd shooting option on the pp. TJ Oshie is the difference in at least one seeding position in the playoffs with his SO ability.

When he cant do it anymore you move him. He is critical until then
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I know Oshie is the man. It's just a numbers game. Something has to give.

Unless we start trading multiple pieces without taking any contracts back. GMBM has his work cut out for him.
 
tenken00 said:
I know Oshie is the man. It's just a numbers game. Something has to give.

Unless we start trading multiple pieces without taking any contracts back. GMBM has his work cut out for him.
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The size of the numbers under the W column is what gives if you move your #2 goal scorer. He is their 1RW. They cant replace him thru UFA. That goal total will cost more than Oshie. McMichael isnt ready to score 25 goals even if Wilson can score 30.
 
txpd said:
The size of the numbers under the W column is what gives if you move your #2 goal scorer. He is their 1RW. They cant replace him thru UFA. That goal total will cost more than Oshie. McMichael isnt ready to score 25 goals even if Wilson can score 30.
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Who do you propose moving then?
 
txpd said:
Oshie was 2nd on the team in goals last season and there is no reason to expect that is going to change in any significant way for this next season. The season being reduced to 60 games only plays into his situation. You dont just remove and replace that level of goal scoring. Essentially you would be counting on Tom Wilson to be the 2nd shooting option on the pp. TJ Oshie is the difference in at least one seeding position in the playoffs with his SO ability.

When he cant do it anymore you move him. He is critical until then
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The amount of time off has to help Oshie be closer to others physically. He still has lots of skill, and Wilson doesnt look like progressing further from goalscoring standpoint.
Keep Oshie, decide what to do later.
 
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