GDT: Capitals @ Devils, 7:00 PM, Jaws

[JimEIV]

Same, for the same reason.

You'll have to settle for Vanecek.

 

[Devils090]

My biggest issue on MBw is that i dont think he can follow the puck too well. So often when he makes a save/shot misses the net it just looks like he does the butterfly, closes his eyes and hopes he caught the puck. Very little reaction to the gameplay itself.

He had no idea the puck was going to Ovi on that goal until the puck was almost in the net lol, agreed on that.

 

[JimEIV]

Like "good version of Blackwood" when he stop the puck? And Devils won it?

We were never going to win games needing our goalies to give up 2 or less...just was never going to happen.

 

[Guadana]

We were never going to win games needing our goalies to give up less than 2...just was never going to happen.

from 20-22 shots? easily. Even don`t need above average goile. Just average.

 

[kiwidevil]

I don't know if there is a point in putting Holtz in.
He'll start on the top 2 lines, then before the end of the 1st period Lindy will have him rotating in every 4th shift on the McLeod line before finishing with a sub 7min TOI.
Then Lindy will talk post game about the young guys needing to "find a way to make an impact".

 

[Bleedred]

I think the pressure around the organization is at a boiling point. I think if (when) Ruff is fired it won’t be just Ruff to go.

You could be right. We saw that with Shero and Hynes.

Shero waited way too long to fire Hynes though. Hynes should have been fired when Fitz was sent down to the bench after a winless first 6 games to 19-20.

I do think Ruff should have been let go after last year. I don't think we're at the point where he should have been fired this year yet (not this year, but he probably shouldn't have been back this year to begin with), but if that's prolonged, that could get him whacked like it did Shero.

It's hard to say what's going on. There's been times where I've wondered if Fitz is merely finishing out Shero's second term after Hynes-gate (or among other things lol), but I don't think I'm quite right on that.

However, if he is quickly done away with this year or after this year, I'm gonna think maybe that was the case.

I don't want a GM change, I don't want Marty f***in with shit if there is a GM change. I think we need to stay the course right now, but there's some guys that can't be back next year, no matter if we hold their rights and #29 is the biggest offender of the bunch.

 

[JimEIV]

from 20-22 shots? easily.

Yeah no....not in this league where average as of this morning was 3.24 goals per game... Just isn't happening.

 

[Triumph]

If the season goes down because of bad goaltending Fitz isn’t to be the GM anymore.

He staked his claim by keeping Blackwood and trading for VV.

Coming off the year Blackwood had, the choices are to trade him for some other shitty broken-down goalie or hope he reclaims his form. I doubt his trade value rose after the vaccine debacle last year either.

Given that I don't think the Devils were ever in the running for Kuemper, Campbell, or Fleury, their options on the goalie market were always going to be limited. We're seeing the Leafs go out there with Murray and Samsonov, I don't think Buffalo's goaltending holds up, it's just a real challenge to get goaltending if you didn't have it in the system.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

I’m not the biggest fan of Amanda, but this is beyond uncalled for. I don’t know what would possess anyone to actually type this out and tweet it at the target. Very bizarre and unhinged.

EDIT: And here’s his Twitter cover pic.

Hahahahahahahaha

Checks out.

 

[jkrdevil]

You could be right. We saw that with Shero and Hynes.

Shero waited way too long to fire Hynes though. Hynes should have been fired when Fitz was sent down to the bench after a winless first 6 games to 19-20.

I do think Ruff should have been let go after last year. I don't think we're at the point where he should have been fired this year yet (not this year, but he probably shouldn't have been back this year to begin with), but if that's prolonged, that could get him whacked like it did Shero.

It's hard to say what's going on. There's been times where I've wondered if Fitz is merely finishing out Shero's second term after Hynes-gate (or something else lol), but I don't think I'm quite right on that.

However, if he is quickly done away with this year or after this year, I'm gonna think maybe that was the case.

I don't want a GM change, I don't want Marty f***in with shit if there is a GM change. I think we need to stay the course right now, but there's some guys that can't be back next year, no matter if we hold their rights and #29 is the biggest offender of the bunch.

Any GM change is going to be bringing someone in from the outside. Maybe two people with a President of Hockey Ops coming in for top job.

 

[Devils090]

from 20-22 shots? easily. Even don`t need above average goile. Just average.

When 3 of those shots are the chances we gave up tonight off turnovers most goalies aren’t stopping it

 

[Bleedred]

Coming off the year Blackwood had, the choices are to trade him for some other shitty broken-down goalie or hope he reclaims his form. I doubt his trade value rose after the vaccine debacle last year either.

Given that I don't think the Devils were ever in the running for Kuemper, Campbell, or Fleury, their options on the goalie market were always going to be limited. We're seeing the Leafs go out there with Murray and Samsonov, I don't think Buffalo's goaltending holds up, it's just a real challenge to get goaltending if you didn't have it in the system.

I somehow think Husso was the target. I'm pretty sure the Vanecek trade was announced within an hour of Detroit trading for Husso's rights, then extending him.

We may have talked to Husso and were willing to trade for his rights, but maybe he didn't like our offer on the extension, which was a little rich for his limited body of work (and he was Blackwood-like in his first year of his only two years in the league) or maybe we wouldn't even trade for his rights and that's what happened. But I do think he might have been the target had he gotten to UFA. I don't think we were in on the other guys, although I kind of did think we would go for Campbell before the fact.

 

[Triumph]

Yeah no....not in this league where average as of this morning was 3.24 goals per game... Just isn't happening.

Lol, when you give up 20 shots a game, you don't give up 3.24 goals a game. Enjoy the silence.

 

[Bone Density]

uhh, I think this has more to do with the other players lack of results lol

 

[NJDevs26]

I feel bad for Amanda at this point, she just takes the brunt of criticism cause she has the most thankless job right now, a publicist for a perennially shit team.

 

[Guadana]

When 3 of those shots are the chances we gave up tonight most goalies aren’t stopping it

meh. @Bleedred will tell you better about it, but most of the Blackwood goals were stoppable and after the good start of the game he did stop nothing.

This is his job. To stop the pucks. I`m not asking to stop every HDC, nobody ask. but part of - absolutley.

 

[Devils090]

uhh, I think this has more to do with the other players lack of results lol

He has those ranks and has 1 goal(which came while we were losing 5-1)

Says it all

meh. @Bleedred will tell you better about it, but most of the Blackwood goals were stoppable and after the good start of the game he did stop nothing.

This is his job. To stop the pucks. I`m not asking to stop every HDC, nobody ask. but part of - absolutley.

Bleed is a lunatic who people really need to stop entertaining as some goalie savant

Yeah you want your goalie to bail out the team when bad turnovers happen and Blackwood did on the Ovi breakaway. When you constantly have breakdowns and turnovers good teams make you pay more often than not.

 

[Guadana]

Yeah no....not in this league where average as of this morning was 3.24 goals per game... Just isn't happening.

average shotting range isn`t what the Devils are doing. It`s working in both ways, Jim. When Devils will miss average level of shots, than we can ask more from defense, much more from offense, less from goalies. Until now - they are not doing their job.

 

[Triumph]

I feel bad for Amanda at this point, she just takes the brunt of criticism cause she has the most thankless job right now, a publicist for a perennially shit team.

Fans are jerks, Amanda probably shouldn't amplify this stuff because I imagine it only encourages it, but people are psychos.

He has those ranks and has 1 goal(which came while we were losing 5-1)

Says it all



Bleed is a lunatic who people really need to stop entertaining as some goalie savant

Bleed has watched more goals in the last 3 years than you will see in your life.

 

[Guadana]

Bleed is a lunatic who people really need to stop entertaining as some goalie savant

Sorry, but that was a bad argument. Someone can call Jim the same way, but we stay in discussion with him. I understand his frustration. What you did there cost nothing. So you lost me.

 

[Bleedred]

meh. @Bleedred will tell you better about it, but most of the Blackwood goals were stoppable and after the good start of the game he did stop nothing.

This is his job. To stop the pucks. I`m not asking to stop every HDC, nobody ask. but part of - absolutley.

I still need to go back and watch all of them. I don't think the 5th goal was bad.

I actually think the Ovechkin one looked not good, but it is Ovechkin. I don't take shooter bias into account when reviewing the goals, but I do think it's okay to not kill the goalie over allowing a one timer to the best goal scorer of all time. However, goalies do make saves on Ovechkin about 85% of his shots.

Goal 2 went off his arm, but it was fairly close range and there was a bit of a moving screen.

Goal 3 was just...... it just beats him. He had a good look at it and it was not from very close at all and it just beats him high blocker (I think?). His glove hand and high blocker are majorly suspect. Unfortunately, I noticed Vanecek was beaten up high on most of his goals in the Detroit game. I can't help but wonder if this is a flaw from Rogalski's teachings.

I'm a little confused on goal 1. It was kind of a back door goal, I think? I forgot already. He wasn't really on his post though.

Some of the goals were very borderline. Like, there was nothing really terrible or softy of the night caliber, There probably wasn't even any as bad as the ones in Philly or that first one to Anaheim, but there were a lot of very borderline goals. That's for sure. Some of these borderline goals hit a good goalie. Blackwood is anything but a good goalie. He's now been bad for just as long as he was good in the NHL, and his entire pro career (with his mediocre AHL career) is probably now more poor than not poor.

 

[Camille the Eel]

It`s okay game. Outshot them 41-22, but bad turnovers were really bad. But when your team could give opponents to shot only 22 times, you expact more saves out of that shots.


If they will contunie to dominate on the ice with bad shooting(missed shots, shots in the chest etc) and will play strong defense, but with some bad turnovers here and there, they will win most of the games when goalies will be good, and will lose most of the games when goalies will be bad.

When they will fix their shooting and PP, the dependence on goalies will decrease significantly. When they find consistent goalie, forwards will be able to relax a little and trying to something new. When they fix both components, this team will be power house.

Much as I don’t have great confidence in our goaltending, I really don’t put this loss on the goalies.

We played a soft and unfocused game without much effort, and abandoned our system for a lot of aimless solo play; especially we came out in the 2d period lackadaisical and sloppy and we got hammered. Yes it would have been good if Bratt hadn’t shanked that one timer in the power play that ended period one, which was a good set up. But we won’t learn to beat Washington until we play with the kind of sustained effort that we showed in our first win here last week.

This game reminded me of so many crappy efforts during the past 2 seasons, where we got dominated and then made it close in garbage time.

Yes Blackwood laid an egg eventually but the plays in front of him were horrendous on the key goals early in the 2d.

For a talented guy who regularly makes great plays, Severson sucks. Whatever great stuff he gives you he continually subtracts by plays so bad you can hardly believe he can find new ways to make them. That chip into the forward tonight literally turned the game against us. You could see the air go out of our tires. And once it happened we were mentally weak and collapsed, literally quit playing for the key ten minute stretch that lost the game.

And we really have to get Jack Hughes going. What’s wrong with him I don’t know but tonight was as poor as I’ve ever seen him. Plus he looks frustrated and as if he’s trying to do things alone one on five.

But hey we are 3 and 3. Go win the next one.

 

[Guadana]

I still need to go back and watch all of them. I don't think the 5th goal was bad.

I actually think the Ovechkin one looked not good, but it is Ovechkin. I don't take shooter bias into account when reviewing the goals, but I do think it's okay to not kill the goalie over allowing a one timer to the best goal scorer of all time. However, goalies do make saves on Ovechkin about 85% of his shots.

Goal 2 went off his arm, but it was fairly close range and there was a bit of a moving screen.

Goal 3 was just...... it just beats him. He had a good look at it and it was not from very close at all and it just beats him high blocker (I think?). His glove hand and high blocker are majorly suspect. Unfortunately, I noticed Vanecek was beaten up high on most of his goals in the Detroit game. I can't help but wonder if this is a flaw from Rogalski's teachings.

I'm a little confused on goal 1. It was kind of a back door goal, I think? I forgot already. He wasn't really on his post though.

Some of the goals were very borderline. Like, there was nothing really terrible or softy of the night caliber, There probably wasn't even any as bad as the ones in Philly or that first one to Anaheim, but there were a lot of very borderline goals. That's for sure. Some of these borderline goals hit a good goalie. Blackwood is anything but a good goalie. He's now been bad for just as long as he was good in the NHL, and his entire pro career (with his mediocre AHL career) is probably now more poor than not poor.

Too many goals for not so many shot to acually remember where there were.
He doesn`t control the play often, like in Ovechkin`s goal, or a goal when Mercer didn`t cover the player. And I`m understanding he can`t saved them all, or even half, but save a couple and we could have different game. Still losing game, but this is how you are on or you are off the competition.
Devils team isn`t competent, expirienced enough to play in game, where they should never allow any HDC in the game. Hockey doesn`t work this way.
Of course they should score more, but double shooting dominance is a good way to balance the game.

 

[Guadana]

Much as I don’t have great confidence in our goaltending, I really don’t put this loss on the goalies.

We played a soft and unfocused game without much effort, and abandoned our system for a lot of aimless solo play; especially we came out in the 2d period lackadaisical and sloppy and we got hammered. Yes it would have been good if Bratt hadn’t shanked that one timer in the power play that ended period one, which was a good set up. But we won’t learn to beat Washington until we play with the kind of sustained effort that we showed in our first win here last week.

This game reminded me of so many crappy efforts during the past 2 seasons, where we got dominated and then made it close in garbage time.

Yes Blackwood laid an egg eventually but the plays in front of him were horrendous on the key goals early in the 2d.

For a talented guy who regularly makes great plays, Severson sucks. Whatever great stuff he gives you he continually subtracts by plays so bad you can hardly believe he can find new ways to make them. That chip into the forward tonight literally turned the game against us. You could see the air go out of our tires. And once it happened we were mentally weak and collapsed, literally quit playing for the key ten minute stretch that lost the game.

And we really have to get Jack Hughes going. What’s wrong with him I don’t know but tonight was as poor as I’ve ever seen him. Plus he looks frustrated and as if he’s trying to do things alone one on five.

But hey we are 3 and 3. Go win the next one.

Yeah, btw I am not sure we could win this game with good goaltender. Good goalie could save the team in couple of times, but they still would start third period with 1-3 or 1-2 in the best case. But we don`t have good goaltending today. Because it would go in any other direction - he could save everything, he could save nothing. Again - this is what will gonna work on the long distance. If your goalie can`t keep - he isn`t your goalkeeper. They returned in the third. They create some turnovers, but team do it on consistent basis. 22 shots per game is a good way to load your goalie. And not asking much.

Anyway, in this game a lot of players were bad. Mercer and Hughes play top six role and looked out of play. It`s a big loss in this game. Bratt was off in the first half. And they should definetely work on shots. I`m not tellin that the goalie is the only problem. Nowhere close. If it would be truth, we would play like Toronto, but we don`t.

 

[Bleedred]

I am more than fine with criticism of myself, constructive or otherwise. I'm a bit of lunatic, sure.

But when you don't wanna take you into account what I think on the matter (which is fine) then that's when I throw out facts that have nothing to do with me, nor are my opinion, nor can be debated.

Blackwood is an .891% goalie over the last 60 games he's played going back to February (I can't remember what day, it's game 6 of the 2020-2021 season up through tonight) of 2021.

And it's getting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse and worse and worse and worse and worse and worse. These numbers are dropping almost every game and when they don't (like his last 3 games before tonight) a bomb goes off and you get what happened tonight and it drops again.

These are real numbers and facts, not anything I've made up. I didn't make up these numbers. Blackwood has stopped BARELY 89% of the shots he's faced over his last 60 games. That even includes the 3 game stretch of .932% NHL third star of the week thing that just happened. Keith Kinkaid had one of those in March of 2016 in between his shitty games that year. Trust me, I remember that and I remember giggling about it on here plenty. One of those games he shut out the Sharks on the road, who were a cup finalist that year. And you know what happened to him less than a week later? He was sitting on the bench watching Wedgewood make his NHL debut and playing 4 games in a row.

Yes, some of these goals are not his fault. In fact, MOST of these goals are not his fault, but he is at fault enough to have cost us games over the last two and ESPECIALLY one year. He's getting worse and worse. He was .893% over 55 games before this season and that turned into .891% over 60 games with the 5 he's played this season. His last 13 games before the Ducks game was like .864% and he only allowed fewer than 3 goals in 1 of those 13 games.