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The new season of The Morning Show is Up Next for me the lack of hype or any news I’m hearing about it is disappointing

I know with the strike rules we are not allowed to promote anything still, but I’ve heard nothing about it.
 
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Across the Spiderverse -- watched the first hour and was really kinda bored/disappointed. Loved the first one, love seeing graffiti still being in pop culture but man ... maybe fussy baby didnt help the ambiance

Renfield - 7/10, nicholas cage as dracula, fun movie, good pace, surprised me

Blue Eyed Samuarai - 2 ep in, so far so good, strong Ninja Scroll vibes
 

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The new season of The Morning Show is Up Next for me the lack of hype or any news I’m hearing about it is disappointing

I know with the strike rules we are not allowed to promote anything still, but I’ve heard nothing about it.
Got into the second season of The Morning Show it is not bad. Adrenaline level of that show though is like 2 out of 10.

Not sure if I mentioned this elsewhere but picked up a HIFIMan Arya Organic...super impressed with this planar magnetic headphone.

Other random pondering I found an inflation calculator as I wanted to know how much I spent on that 60" Pioneer Kuro Elite back in early '09 in current dollars where I spent $5500. Is almost 8k now.
 
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I thought Blue Eye Samurai was ok, but hardly a classic: 1) I hated the CGI animation. They may perfect it in the future, but right now it looks clunky as hell, 2) Mizu is basically Mary Sue on steroids. Laughably unrealistic. I mean, I could imagine a woman having her cat like reflexes, but the strength of ten men? Particularly someone as slender as her? Just a little too fantastic to believe.

Mixed bag of a weekend for me: disappointed by Pluto and Blue Eye Samurai, pleasantly surprised by God of War: Ragnarok.
 

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I thought Blue Eye Samurai was ok, but hardly a classic: 1) I hated the CGI animation. They may perfect it in the future, but right now it looks clunky as hell, 2) Mizu is basically Mary Sue on steroids. Laughably unrealistic. I mean, I could imagine a woman having her cat like reflexes, but the strength of ten men? Particularly someone as slender as her? Just a little too fantastic to believe.

Mixed bag of a weekend for me: disappointed by Pluto and Blue Eye Samurai, pleasantly surprised by God of War: Ragnarok.
I hate to be the one to break this to you bud, but you still just watched an anime. Laughably unrealistic strength and ability to heal is not really exclusive to "Mary Sue" characters because half of the anime protagonists are one anyway based on all the traits required except gender.

Did you want to watch a show where the main character got realistically wounded and then spent the next 6 episodes in recovery like Goku in his little healing tank? If no, but she won the whole time and never showed any faults in combat in order to stay in the show wouldn't that make her a Mary Sue anyway? Did it bother you in shows like Baki when a man climbs up a sheer building with his fingertips, and another one is bullet proof by being... tough I guess? Or how in Kengan Ashura, Naruto, Dragonball, Bleach, uhhhh... damn near anything else where somebody literally coughs up a pint of blood and doesn't die, then gets back in the fight like two days later and is not only as strong as before but sometimes better? Medically, blood coming out of your mouth in an injury setting is pretty much, like... not great for your hopes of living.

She totally did stuff that wasn't possible, cliff scene was nuts, but the catch is that anime characters do that shit all the damn time and she's not really "extra empowered" compared to other shows just because she's a strong woman instead. Feels like if you kept getting hung up on that it's more of a you thing.
 
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I hate to be the one to break this to you bud, but you still just watched an anime. Laughably unrealistic strength and ability to heal is not really exclusive to "Mary Sue" characters because half of the anime protagonists are one anyway based on all the traits required except gender.

Did you want to watch a show where the main character got realistically wounded and then spent the next 6 episodes in recovery like Goku in his little healing tank? If no, but she won the whole time and never showed any faults in combat in order to stay in the show wouldn't that make her a Mary Sue anyway? Did it bother you in shows like Baki when a man climbs up a sheer building with his fingertips, and another one is bullet proof by being... tough I guess? Or how in Kengan Ashura, Naruto, Dragonball, Bleach, uhhhh... damn near anything else where somebody literally coughs up a pint of blood and doesn't die, then gets back in the fight like two days later and is not only as strong as before but sometimes better? Medically, blood coming out of your mouth in an injury setting is pretty much, like... not great for your hopes of living.

She totally did stuff that wasn't possible, cliff scene was nuts, but the catch is that anime characters do that shit all the damn time and she's not really "extra empowered" compared to other shows just because she's a strong woman instead. Feels like if you kept getting hung up on that it's more of a you thing.

I actually love strong women (female athletes in particular). But Mizu wasn't presented as some kind of super-hero, only a very talented Samurai. Yet she was able to take out an entire regiment of soldiers after suffering serious injuries and losing a pint+ of blood -- in other words perform super-heroic feats of strength. Just too fantastic for this viewer.
 

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It’s a cartoon….sometimes, just like movies, you just gotta believe.

I didn’t love the art either, and I wasn’t particularly wowed until midway through. I appreciate the actor playing Mizu. 2 episodes left.
 
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Watched Fall of the House of Usher. It was a fun show.

God help me I am looking forward to the live-action version of Avatar: The Last Airbender coming out next year. I think it's going to be bad, but the source material is so good that I can't help but get a little bit excited.
 

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Yet she was able to take out an entire regiment of soldiers after suffering serious injuries and losing a pint+ of blood -- in other words perform super-heroic feats of strength.

You just described just about every action TV show or movie ever. ;)

I *do* know what you mean though. They did present it in a way that made it stand out in a bad way a couple times. I think the issue is they show Mizu get hurt to the point where there needs to be serious recovery afterward, but in the moment the injury barely gimped Mizu at all.

So in the assault on the castle when Mizu gets skewered in the leg (ankle?) really early on, it was a bit of a groaner moment for me. Mizu vs. Everyone was a tough proposition to begin with, but now the hero's leg is severely injured and plunging it in an ice bath for 8 seconds isn't gonna cut it. If you're going to do a big injury followed by an episode full of recovery, save it until AFTER the hero does a bunch of ridiculous shit that makes it look like there's no injury at all.

So if Mizu is going to limp from set piece to set piece, the injury should persist throughout the action sequences, too.

Die Hard is one of the best examples of this kind of thing done right. As the movie progresses he gets more and more injured. He drags himself into the final confrontation with his feet cut to shit, a big limp from the falls, and he's exhausted and covered in his blood, their blood, soot, sweat, and the grimy remnants of a pretty shitty evening. The final encounter is brief and plausible. He exits the building and has to be saved by Urkel's neighbor, then his wife punches the reporter.

This was a guy that went through some shit, and it's a huge part of why we love it. It's relatable. It's why we love Raiders of the Lost Ark (where he spends half the movie running for his life, scared of snakes, shooting the swordsman instead of fighting, etc.) and hate Kingdom of The Crystal Skull (where he survives a nuclear blast in a refrigerator). It's why Jackie Chan became a global superstar.

And if your human heroes are going to be superheroes, lean into it to let the audience in on the fun. Not doing that is why some of the Fast/Furious and Mission Impossible movies sucked. Eventually catching on and playing along is why the rest of them range from pretty good to great (one Fast movie and most of the MI franchise after the first couple). Consistency is key, and Blue Eye Samurai fumbled it some.

Despite the novel (sorry), I do think it's ultimately a minor nitpick in this case. I loved the show. I'm not an anime guy (though I have seen most of Miyazaki), so if you guys have recs for other things with animation of that quality (preferably in English), I'm all ears. It was really beautifully done.
 
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I just watched the 1985 feature film Commando starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and I simply can not believe that Col. John Matrix killed 80+ people during a solo assault on a heavily guarded island villa, and the only damage he sustained was a small scratch on his side (from... a nearby grenade explosion?) and a bullet wound to the shoulder--after which he was still strong enough to rip a heavy steam pipe off the wall and throw it down a hallway until it impaled his former squad mate.

Look, I'm a reasonable man who can suspend his disbelief to enjoy a quality action flick. But--even considering how Matrix is a former Special Forces operative who, in his spare time, lugs around massive tree trunks and eats Green Berets for breakfast (when he's not hand-feeding deer with his daughter)--the events depicted in this movie are too unbelievable. And it completely ruined my film-watching experience!!!
 

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On Mizu and injuries…..yes….would rather the injuries get “magically” dodged in battle and barely get a scrape in a fight than seeing seemingly mortal wounds shrugged off.

Otherwise no major complaints….I assume everyone guessed on Mizu immediately? The voice was a dead giveaway to me.
 

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I just watched the 1985 feature film Commando starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and I simply can not believe that Col. John Matrix killed 80+ people during a solo assault on a heavily guarded island villa, and the only damage he sustained was a small scratch on his side (from... a nearby grenade explosion?) and a bullet wound to the shoulder--after which he was still strong enough to rip a heavy steam pipe off the wall and throw it down a hallway until it impaled his former squad mate.

Look, I'm a reasonable man who can suspend his disbelief to enjoy a quality action flick. But--even considering how Matrix is a former Special Forces operative who, in his spare time, lugs around massive tree trunks and eats Green Berets for breakfast (when he's not hand-feeding deer with his daughter)--the events depicted in this movie are too unbelievable. And it completely ruined my film-watching experience!!!
Man, I miss the pre-internet, pre-social media days where people didn’t nitpick the living sh*t out every movie and TV show. You know, just enjoy things - is that so hard? Nowadays you have people quibbling over the “realism” in Star Wars and the survivability of anime characters. What have we become??

Long live John mf’ing Matrix!!
 

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I just watched the 1985 feature film Commando starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and I simply can not believe that Col. John Matrix killed 80+ people during a solo assault on a heavily guarded island villa, and the only damage he sustained was a small scratch on his side (from... a nearby grenade explosion?) and a bullet wound to the shoulder--after which he was still strong enough to rip a heavy steam pipe off the wall and throw it down a hallway until it impaled his former squad mate.

Look, I'm a reasonable man who can suspend his disbelief to enjoy a quality action flick. But--even considering how Matrix is a former Special Forces operative who, in his spare time, lugs around massive tree trunks and eats Green Berets for breakfast (when he's not hand-feeding deer with his daughter)--the events depicted in this movie are too unbelievable. And it completely ruined my film-watching experience!!!
I hope we’re just having fun with this, but dude, he’s only 13th on the list! Official count 87 for John Matrix.

If you want similar laughs check out Rambo! lol!

 

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On Mizu and injuries…..yes….would rather the injuries get “magically” dodged in battle and barely get a scrape in a fight than seeing seemingly mortal wounds shrugged off.

Yeah, and to be fair to them it's tougher in a show that's spanning weeks or months (especially when you can binge the whole thing at once). I think it's a minor nitpick in this show -- just some inconsistency that makes it a bit more glaring. Not a big deal at all, and certainly not a reason to hate the show. I loved it.

Otherwise no major complaints….I assume everyone guessed on Mizu immediately? The voice was a dead giveaway to me.

Agreed. I kept my post neutral just in case, but it's revealed so early on (and IMO obvious throughout) that it's probably not really a spoiler. Huge secret in the narrative, barely a secret to the viewer.

You know, just enjoy things - is that so hard? Nowadays you have people quibbling over the “realism” in Star Wars and the survivability of anime characters. What have we become??

Personally, I have no issue with one or the other. Relatable hero or superhero? Both are 100% fine with me if you're consistent. But if injuries are a big deal one minute and nonexistent the next, you're subverting the notion of consequence in your story. Consequence is crucial, so you have to be consistent when you're defining those boundaries.

I only want injuries to matter if the WRITER wants them to matter. If the writer is all over the place with it, then my suspension of disbelief is all over the place. That can get tiresome.

So we can be dismissive and compare this argument to someone not understanding that Commando is just a fun action movie that clearly defined its boundaries from the start. Or we can concede that BES is aiming higher than that and occasionally misses the bullseye a little.

Indiana Jones and John Maclean are two of the best action heroes ever. And no one would have cared (and most would have loved) that those great franchises got extra sequels if the writers didn't f*** with the tone. But they did, relatable heroes became superheroes (after aging decades because that's how age works), and fans got dry heaves.

Jason Bourne didn't falter. They wanted their hero gritty and realistic and it works throughout. And the writers of John Wick wanted a superhero with bonkers action and it also works througout.

Consistency matters.
 

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I actually love strong women (female athletes in particular). But Mizu wasn't presented as some kind of super-hero, only a very talented Samurai. Yet she was able to take out an entire regiment of soldiers after suffering serious injuries and losing a pint+ of blood -- in other words perform super-heroic feats of strength. Just too fantastic for this viewer.
To me that's really just a genre quirk, honestly.

I also had one or two moments where I was like "oh, this is what we're doing?" but only ever in the context of "you had all the anime tropes to do and we're doing this one?" and then my brain went "okay, well, seen it before, know how it works, let's see what they do with it". Like, I think we can pretty much all agree, nobody ever catches a free falling man and throws them to safety while dangling on a ledge. It also happens all the time in a lot of shows presenting as "realistic"

That said, I thought they set the tone early enough that this is all about the spectacle and fight, and not very much about maintaining some in-built realism for the primary characters. I don't even think she's the only one to sustain some pretty real damage and basically just re-appear in the next episode, the dude she saved got the absolute shit kicked out of him and looked two seconds from death and he's better before she is.

I think @Jags makes a good point in that a full release on a streaming service might distort the intended perception of time, but I personally didn't think it was aiming much higher than, say, Kill Bill status and The Bride goes through a hell of a lot more with basically nothing but a sword and some gusto.
 
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Sully's death scream ("Loo-loo-LAAAAHHaaHHHaaaAAA!") is one of my favorite things about that movie and I reference it way more often than any normal human being should.

I need to put together a petition to have Hollywood replace the Wilhelm scream with the Sully scream.
 

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I thought Blue Eye Samurai was ok, but hardly a classic: 1) I hated the CGI animation. They may perfect it in the future, but right now it looks clunky as hell, 2) Mizu is basically Mary Sue on steroids. Laughably unrealistic. I mean, I could imagine a woman having her cat like reflexes, but the strength of ten men? Particularly someone as slender as her? Just a little too fantastic to believe.

Mixed bag of a weekend for me: disappointed by Pluto and Blue Eye Samurai, pleasantly surprised by God of War: Ragnarok.

I just watched the 1985 feature film Commando starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and I simply can not believe that Col. John Matrix killed 80+ people during a solo assault on a heavily guarded island villa, and the only damage he sustained was a small scratch on his side (from... a nearby grenade explosion?) and a bullet wound to the shoulder--after which he was still strong enough to rip a heavy steam pipe off the wall and throw it down a hallway until it impaled his former squad mate.

Look, I'm a reasonable man who can suspend his disbelief to enjoy a quality action flick. But--even considering how Matrix is a former Special Forces operative who, in his spare time, lugs around massive tree trunks and eats Green Berets for breakfast (when he's not hand-feeding deer with his daughter)--the events depicted in this movie are too unbelievable. And it completely ruined my film-watching experience!!!
These needed to be quoted together. Because.

Saw Commando in the theater x2.
 
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Sigh……after so many years I had not seen The Big Lebowski……a bit disappointed after all the hype to be honest. John Goodman was very good…..Bridges was just annoying as F at times….
 

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well that's just, like, your opinion... man
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Sigh……after so many years I had not seen The Big Lebowski……a bit disappointed after all the hype to be honest. John Goodman was very good…..Bridges was just annoying as F at times….
I mean at the release time it was pretty funny but have to admit I have no patience to rewatch in the years since and especially not these days.
 

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I mean at the release time it was pretty funny but have to admit I have no patience to rewatch in the years since and especially not these days.
It does not hold up….and that’s one of the greatest tests of a great movie. It wasn’t bad…..just ok.
 

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