Cap world - Comparison of Leafs with competitors

[Dekes For Days]

As long as this group continues to squeeze every last nickel they can out of this management team, and as long as management gives into them, nothing’s going to change.

All they're doing is wanting to be paid relative to their quality and impact exactly the same as everybody else. It doesn't prevent winning a cup.

In a traditional evaluation of what a contender is yes that would be true, but we have the last 7 years of total playoff failure to show us the the regular season is just a mirage.

Our playoffs haven't shown that the regular season is a mirage. Playoffs have shown the increasing parity in the league and that external factors, injuries, and the performance of your goaltender can heavily influence small sample outcomes in hockey.

 

[Racer88]

We had to sign our "star draft picks" right before COVID hit. It was bad luck.

But Dubas NEVER should have let anyone make more than Tavares. That should have been his cut off. Like "I can pay you whatever, as long as it's less than Tavares, veteran captain who signed UFA, you're an RFA"

Marner should have come in under $9 per.

I have no idea what happens next. Do these guys just ask for the moon and walk away? We trade 'em for scraps?

It's a shitty situation. And yeah for real COVID had an impact on the Leafs and these guys. Sure it probably affected other teams too. I never said it didn't.

Now we have the "cap is gonna rise significantly year over year after this one" and these agents will be pushing that.

Someone needs to go and I am just going to keep saying it should be Marner, maybe Nylander too ffs.

Matthews needs to stay at whatever cost IMO.

Dubas should have never signed Tavares. That’s been the downfall right there

 

[Racer88]

All they're doing is wanting to be paid relative to their quality and impact exactly the same as everybody else. It doesn't prevent winning a cup.

Our playoffs haven't shown that the regular season is a mirage. Playoffs have shown the increasing parity in the league and that external factors, injuries, and the performance of your goaltender can heavily influence small sample outcomes in hockey.

7 years of straight failure have shown it is more then just that. Especially since in some of those playoffs they had a lead in games and blew it.
As far as goaltending I do agree to a certain extent and that has been one of Dubas’s major failings along with signing a player we did not need Tavares.

 

[Captain Crunch]

All they're doing is wanting to be paid relative to their quality and impact exactly the same as everybody else. It doesn't prevent winning a cup.

Our playoffs haven't shown that the regular season is a mirage. Playoffs have shown the increasing parity in the league and that external factors, injuries, and the performance of your goaltender can heavily influence small sample outcomes in hockey.

No, all they’re doing is wanting all they can get, putting themselves ahead of the team. I will believe nothing else until they prove otherwise. They showed they were all about greed in their last contract negotiations, because their performances when it mattered the most, have not met what they are being paid.

And it’s really getting tiresome how you continually come up with all these reasons, which are actually just excuses, as to why they haven’t been successful in the playoffs. SIX STRAIGHT YEARS of not getting out of the 1st round before FINALLY getting into the 2nd round, ONLY to go out in 5 games (remember their effort in game 3, so sad!). If they are so talented offensively, how can you explain all the choking they have done???

The only thing they have proven so far is that they choke in the playoffs, yet they are expecting to get raises yet again? In what reality does that make sense? Apparently in theirs and yours. Wow!

It appears Shanahan continues to have their undying support, which to me means it has been him (and the board) all along who has allocated too much of the cap into this, so far, quartet of chokers!

 

[Arzak]

It says that you can win using whatever configuration you want. There is no magic formula to the cup. And that's really not an accurate description of our core.

A top 5 team in the league is a contender, even if they don't win the cup.

Florida's defense didn't hold us to a low GAA. Bobrovsky did on a historic run.
At least according to literally everybody and everything.

Oh boy, we got golied excuse once again.

Our perimeter shot selection helped to inflate his stats. We can make anyone look Hasek like.
It's never Marner sucking, It's cheat code angel dust historic goalie run fluke.

 

[Nineteen67]

7 years of straight failure have shown it is more then just that. Especially since in some of those playoffs they had a lead in games and blew it.
As far as goaltending I do agree to a certain extent and that has been one of Dubas’s major failings along with signing a player we did not need Tavares.

Defence, goaltending, F were all failings which stemmed from poor cap allocation due to self-inflicted wounds.

 

[Dekes For Days]

No, all they’re doing is wanting all they can get, putting themselves ahead of the team.

Wanting a fair contract consistent with their quality and impact relative to the rest of the league is not putting themselves above the team.

And it’s really getting tiresome how you continually come up with all these reasons, which are actually just excuses, as to why they haven’t been successful in the playoffs.

What's really tiresome is people claiming incorrect reasons for our losses based on nothing but what they want to be true. If we didn't have that, I wouldn't have to come in and note the actual, factually-substantiated reasons. People seem to just get angry and lash out at the aspects of the team they dislike, instead of actually looking at what happened, why, and what can be done about it moving forward.

The only thing they have proven so far is that they choke in the playoffs, yet they are expecting to get raises yet again?

They haven't proven to be "chokers" at all. They've proven to be top tier players; among the best in the entire cap era. They will be paid according to that, not according to how many rounds our team has won, because that's how contracts work in the NHL. Individual compensation is not dependent on team playoff success. It is dependent on their individual quality and impact. You can dislike how it works if you want, but it's not going to change.

7 years of straight failure have shown it is more then just that.

Not winning a cup in your first 7 years in the league does not indicate anything more. That's fairly common.

As far as goaltending I do agree to a certain extent and that has been one of Dubas’s major failings along with signing a player we did not need Tavares.

The current elite goalies in the league were drafted back in like Nonis days, and for most of the rest of the goalies, you may as well be throwing darts blindfolded.
I guarantee nobody here had Adin Hill as the Cup-winning goalie before the season started. We had some successes and some failures with goaltending under Dubas, like you'll have with literally any GM, but the bigger issue has tended to be the elite goalies that have populated our division more than our goalies.
And Tavares did fill a need, but no point getting into that again.

Oh boy, we got golied excuse once again.

It's not an excuse. it's just what factually happened. We also saw it happen to Carolina even worse right after.

Our perimeter shot selection helped to inflate his stats.

We did not shoot from the perimeter. Our average shot distance was closer than Florida's, and in fact closer than the average Bobrovsky faced throughout the rest of the playoffs. We had more of pretty much every kind of dangerous shot/chance.

 

[Notsince67]

Neither - just not very good.

He is awsome. The addition of Andreas Johnson and Garrett Sparks to the Pens org ensure we don't need to look too closely in the rearview.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

You can't expect the fab four to play for chump change. They'll play better after they get their big raises.

 

[BLONG7]

You can't expect the fab four to play for chump change. They'll play better after they get their big raises.

Absolutely..........makes perfect sense to give them more money....
Cap.......no big deal eh...