Salary Cap: Cap Problems next season?

[Leafidelity]

The guy is known for being injury prone, he is haphazard and it's been known a long while. You had to close your eyes to not see it, it's his style he puts himself in positions to be hurt and as a result is often hurt.

You honestly think his style of play is the reason he's injured?

 

[Faltorvo]

I like Bolland but I doubt we can pay him the money he wants. Time after time we have seen guys get the money and check out /fade i.e Clarkson,Lupul. With the taste of Clarkson fresh in his mouth, Nonnis won't want to get tied up again. With his age/injuries etc Bolland is worth $3.5 to a max $4M but for how many years? Where is his leverage when he missed the whole season and hasn't even comeback yet?

If he wants too much,we have to let him walk. I wonder if Edmonton still wants Clarkson?

Bollands leverage is weak teams trying to get to the cap floor,looking for insulation of their young Cs?

 

[Holymakinaw]

The long & the short of it is.....the Leafs have ZERO "cap problems" for next year.

Their young, skilled team is locked up long-term, and they have plenty of money to sign lesser guys to fill it out. Not many changes to this lineup are needed at all.

Currently, they have 12 KEY guys signed for 49.5 million, leaving 22.4 million(projected by capgeek.com) for the other 10-11 LESSER guys. Depending on whom they WANT to keep, it should be very easy to do.

To suggest there is any "problem" is simply incorrect.

 

[CerebralDevil]

Trade Franson for Clifford or Roussel and get some big sized wingers to bang up the opposing defense.

 

[BiggestLeafsFanEVER*]

Franson should be let go, Raymond should not be retained, neither should Bolland if he will be expensive, Lupul needs to be dumped before his value plummets and he becomes a mill stone and there needs to be some exit strategy with Clarkson.

I agree with you except I wouldn't dump Lupul.

I would also think of trading Gardiner if it would help us improve defense.

 

[Faltorvo]

The long & the short of it is.....the Leafs have ZERO "cap problems" for next year.

Their young, skilled team is locked up long-term, and they have plenty of money to sign lesser guys to fill it out. Not many changes to this lineup are needed at all.

Currently, they have 12 KEY guys signed for 49.5 million, leaving 22.4 million(projected by capgeek.com) for the other 10-11 LESSER guys. Depending on whom they WANT to keep, it should be very easy to do.

To suggest there is any "problem" is simply incorrect.

Cool story?

 

[TorMapleJays]

Bolland is a solution not a problem...

 

[achtungbaby]

The long & the short of it is.....the Leafs have ZERO "cap problems" for next year.

Their young, skilled team is locked up long-term, and they have plenty of money to sign lesser guys to fill it out. Not many changes to this lineup are needed at all.

Currently, they have 12 KEY guys signed for 49.5 million, leaving 22.4 million(projected by capgeek.com) for the other 10-11 LESSER guys. Depending on whom they WANT to keep, it should be very easy to do.

To suggest there is any "problem" is simply incorrect.

You used to be the Iraqi Information Minister right? Gm's get paid to worry about things when most fans think that there is nothing to worry about. Every year people say we have no cap problems and almost every season we find ourselves bumped right up against the cap along with the contending teams.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Cool story?

It IS a cool story.

It's FACTUAL.

 

[Holymakinaw]

You used to be the Iraqi Information Minister right? Gm's get paid to worry about things when most fans think that there is nothing to worry about. Every year people say we have no cap problems and almost every season we find ourselves bumped right up against the cap along with the contending teams.

Actually, we have 3 million in space right now, and we're 4th in the east.

I realize that the sky may be falling in some of your worlds, but it's not ACTUALLY falling.

FYI.

 

[CerebralDevil]

The test is how they pay against Philly tomorrow night and lets see how that goes first?

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Clarkson and Bolland can be safely called mistakes as with Grabos buyout and these mistakes will have long lasting effects on this team. Same as the CMac mismanagement but that's on Randy.

With Bolland wants a long term in addition to big salary I'm actually more worried about fitting him in after next season when Kadri, Bernier will need raises and beyond when guys like Rielly, Gardiner are getting that much closer to needing new contracts (ufa status).

Nonis should offer Bolland a Bozak type deal that makes sense for the team but if he wants 5+ million or more than 5 years then let him walk.

I'd rather save the money for higher potential players who we can sign through their primes like Rielly, Kadri, Bernier, ______ instead of having the next Malone, Gomez, Drury for the last few years of the Bolland contract.

Bolland is 28 this summer and with his injury history combined with his playing style he'll be a shell of what he is right now by the time he starts hitting 33 or so.

 

[pucci2001]

I bet Bolland will not take anything less than 5. We will be lucky if he signs for 4.5 but I can't see it.

Sounds reasonable for Kulemin though.

He can piss off if he wants 5 million. He played 15 games for us and had a potentially career altering injury. He has also been injured plenty in the years prior.

If he loves TO as much as he wants us to believe he can take a legitimate contract and not a Pejorative Slured overpriced gouge job that borders on ****. Also given his injury history I REALLY don't want to sign him to a deal longer than 3 years.

We already have Lupul and Clarkson with contracts I can't stand looking at, we can't afford to handcuff ourselves to mediocrity staying with the identical people for the next 5-6 years. We need some turnover, some options regarding our players, nobody is going to trade for Clarkson for another 5 seasons, we can't afford to get stuck with 10-15million worth of unmoveables on our team.

Edit: The only kind of players that get extended deals are kinds like Kessel, JVR. Look at what Chicago does, they lock down everyone they know are true championship caliber players and everyone else rotates in and out around them, leaving them with room to resign Toews, Kane. Toronto can't afford to have their core players of Kessel, JVR, Dion, Clarkson?!, Bolland?!, Lupul?! Compared to Kane, Toews, Hossa, Sharp, Keith. Same with Boston, how did they convince Lucic to take a 3 year deal? Simple they only sign deals that leave the Bruins with a way out. The only big deals they signed were Bergeron, Rask, Chara. Savard too but we all know what happened to him...

 

[The Podium]

Well for starters you only posted a 21 man roster even with the xxxs, most teams tend to run 23 man rosters for the season.

Franson,Reims,Holland gone fore picks and younger prospects?

Raymond,Bodie,Ranger gone?

Ok now I'm getting really confused , I thought it was vital that we held onto this years UFAs for the PO exp , preparing ourselves for a bigger deeper push next year , these roster suggestions I'm seeing looks to me like we are taking a step back next year?

Are you a lawyer? Your very good at twisting words.... Ranger and Bodie have been benched the majority of the season and therefore are insignificant losses. Not to mention either of them can be retained for league minimum if need be. Even if thats a 21 man roster teams usually go with 22 and its quite easy to get another player under the cap which isn't even necessary in Toronto with the Marlies down the street. Franson and Reimer can be dealt for a roster player they don't have to be sold off and Holland can remain in the AHL. Of all our significant UFA's Raymond is the least important and will be looking for the largest pay raise considering he is only making 1 mill this season. Riding ourselves of 3 roster players isn't taking a step back especially if those positions are being improved. I'd gladly downgrade on Raymond if it means upgrading our D. A hypothetical roster

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($8.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.900m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($3.500m)
Josh Leivo ($0.793m) / Dave Bolland ($4.250m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Carter Ashton ($1.000m) / Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Jerry D'Amigo ($1.000m)
Colton Orr ($0.925m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($7.000m) / Mr. Defensive upgrade ($5.000m)
Jake Gardiner ($2.000m) / Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m)
Tim Gleason ($4.000m) / Morgan Rielly ($0.894m)
Mr. depth D ($0.700m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
Mr. Back up goalie ($1.500m)
BUYOUTS
Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
Mikhail Grabovski ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,961,667; BONUSES: $982,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,138,333

Cap compliant (1.1 mill left), defensively upgraded, keeping the strong Top 6 and have a functional bottom 6. All contenders have a rookie (or young player) infused roster.

Anaheim - Palmeri, Lindholm, Silfverberg, Vatanen, Maroon, Etem
Boston - Smith, Krug, Soderberg, Batkowski, Spooner, Caron
Chicago - Shaw, Kruger, Smith, Bollig
LA - King, Toffoli, Muzzin, Nolan
Pittsburgh - Maatta, Bennett
SJS - Hertl, Wingels, Irwin, Neito
St. Louis - Shwartz, Tarasenko, Paarjarvi, Cole

I don't think it would be unreasonable for Toronto to ice Rielly, Ashton, D'amigo and Leivo

 

[ACC1224]

Actually, we have 3 million in space right now, and we're 4th in the east.

I realize that the sky may be falling in some of your worlds, but it's not ACTUALLY falling.

FYI.

It's tough sledding for Bruin fans and Realists these days.

 

[topched]

Are you a lawyer? Your very good at twisting words.... Ranger and Bodie have been benched the majority of the season and therefore are insignificant losses. Not to mention either of them can be retained for league minimum if need be. Even if thats a 21 man roster teams usually go with 22 and its quite easy to get another player under the cap which isn't even necessary in Toronto with the Marlies down the street. Franson and Reimer can be dealt for a roster player they don't have to be sold off and Holland can remain in the AHL. Of all our significant UFA's Raymond is the least important and will be looking for the largest pay raise considering he is only making 1 mill this season. Riding ourselves of 3 roster players isn't taking a step back especially if those positions are being improved. I'd gladly downgrade on Raymond if it means upgrading our D. A hypothetical roster

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($8.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.900m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($3.500m)
Josh Leivo ($0.793m) / Dave Bolland ($4.250m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Carter Ashton ($1.000m) / Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Jerry D'Amigo ($1.000m)
Colton Orr ($0.925m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($7.000m) / Mr. Defensive upgrade ($5.000m)
Jake Gardiner ($2.000m) / Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m)
Tim Gleason ($4.000m) / Morgan Rielly ($0.894m)
Mr. depth D ($0.700m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
Mr. Back up goalie ($1.500m)
BUYOUTS
Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
Mikhail Grabovski ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,961,667; BONUSES: $982,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,138,333

Cap compliant (1.1 mill left), defensively upgraded, keeping the strong Top 6 and have a functional bottom 6.

This is solid. I would argue that you could probably add another fwd instead if Leivo/Damigo/Ashton if Reimer and Franson are being traded.

1.5 might be high for a backup goalie, but with that estimate and 1.1 you've got room to carry an extra player.

Those numbers for Kulie and Bolland look like they're close to market value give or take .25... Which we could theoretically handle

 

[81Leafs50]

If we need the cap space, I see no reason why we can't buyout Clarkson.

It would save us

2014-15 $2,958,333
2015-16 $3,708,333
2016-17 $5,208,333
2017-18 $5,208,333
2018-19 $2,958,333
2019-20 $1,458,333
2020-21 -$1,791,667
2021-22 -$1,791,667
2022-23 -$1,791,667
2023-24 -$1,791,667
2024-25 -$1,791,667
2025-26 -$1,791,667

If Lou can get traded so can Clarkson.

For the record Lou is 34 with 10 years left with a cap hit higher than Clarkson.

 

[The Podium]

This is solid. I would argue that you could probably add another fwd instead if Leivo/Damigo/Ashton if Reimer and Franson are being traded.

1.5 might be high for a backup goalie, but with that estimate and 1.1 you've got room to carry an extra player.

Those numbers for Kulie and Bolland look like they're close to market value give or take .25... Which we could theoretically handle

I personally think its time to give Ashton, D'amigo and Leivo full time opportunities in the bottom 6. All have looked solid and all look like they belong.

I like to have a cushion in cap space to make trade dealing acquisitions a little easier, it allows us to upgrade a position with a more costly player since we have a bit of wiggle room. 1.5 for a backup may be a little high but we don't have a league minimum rookie to take the helm there so it would have to be via FA.

I personally think those numbers are reasonable for both Kulemin and Bolland. It pays them for their production and position in the roster.

 

[thewave]

Ya don't want Tim Connolly 2.0 thanks for trying Bolland great player when healthy.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Actually, we have 3 million in space right now, and we're 4th in the east.

I realize that the sky may be falling in some of your worlds, but it's not ACTUALLY falling.

FYI.

I think nothing on this forum annoys me more than people saying this. I mean, 4th in the east sounds sort good on the surface but when you consider that we're only two games out of 9th, then it doesn't sound so good at all. Then add in the fact that the East blows and ... well to each his own, but I see 4th in the East as something that we want to improve on big-time as opposed to it being something to shout out to the world as if it is deserving of applause. Low expectations for some around here, me I want more.

Did anyone say the sky is falling? I think this is just a discussion of how to best utilize our cap space. Every team has issues, even Chicago dumped Bolland, had cap space not been an issue I'm sure they hang on to him. We certainly don't have the cap space to sign everyone we would like so there is definitely something to discuss here. If you don't think so, go take your absurd homerism somewhere else and let others "waste" their time here.

 

[Faltorvo]

I think nothing on this forum annoys me more than people saying this. I mean, 4th in the east sounds sort good on the surface but when you consider that we're only two games out of 9th, then it doesn't sound so good at all. Then add in the fact that the East blows and ... well to each his own, but I see 4th in the East as something that we want to improve on big-time as opposed to it being something to shout out to the world as if it is deserving of applause. Low expectations for some around here, me I want more.

Did anyone say the sky is falling? I think this is just a discussion of how to best utilize our cap space. Every team has issues, even Chicago dumped Bolland, had cap space not been an issue I'm sure they hang on to him. We certainly don't have the cap space to sign everyone we would like so there is definitely something to discuss here. If you don't think so, go take your absurd homerism somewhere else and let others "waste" their time here.

Well for me , I kinda had the idea that it was a either or for Bolo or Kuli but that was with a 71.1m cap, if this 68m hits, then it's probably both gone. Or we will be moving out Reims,Frans?


Either way it's cut, I struggle to see how we are going to improve next year, losing this much exp.

 

[The Apologist]

I think nothing on this forum annoys me more than people saying this. I mean, 4th in the east sounds sort good on the surface but when you consider that we're only two games out of 9th, then it doesn't sound so good at all. Then add in the fact that the East blows and ... well to each his own, but I see 4th in the East as something that we want to improve on big-time as opposed to it being something to shout out to the world as if it is deserving of applause. Low expectations for some around here, me I want more.

Did anyone say the sky is falling? I think this is just a discussion of how to best utilize our cap space. Every team has issues, even Chicago dumped Bolland, had cap space not been an issue I'm sure they hang on to him. We certainly don't have the cap space to sign everyone we would like so there is definitely something to discuss here. If you don't think so, go take your absurd homerism somewhere else and let others "waste" their time here.

Ughhh, I know. It pisses me off too. We clearly are ACTUALLY only three points outta third. Why doesn't anybody point that out?

 

[LEAFSIN4]

If Lou can get traded so can Clarkson.

For the record Lou is 34 with 10 years left with a cap hit higher than Clarkson.

He is also a 2 time Gold medalist and still a top 10 goalie in this league.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Ughhh, I know. It pisses me off too. We clearly are ACTUALLY only three points outta third. Why doesn't anybody point that out?

We could end up 3rd, we could end up 11th.

My main point though is that the East is so ridiculously weak this year that even ending up 4'th doesn't mean much other than it's a playoff spot. Maybe I'm just worried of being jinxed - all this talk about "we're 4th " is going to end up looking pretty stupid if we miss the playoffs.

 

[Nitrock]

Are you a lawyer? Your very good at twisting words.... Ranger and Bodie have been benched the majority of the season and therefore are insignificant losses. Not to mention either of them can be retained for league minimum if need be. Even if thats a 21 man roster teams usually go with 22 and its quite easy to get another player under the cap which isn't even necessary in Toronto with the Marlies down the street. Franson and Reimer can be dealt for a roster player they don't have to be sold off and Holland can remain in the AHL. Of all our significant UFA's Raymond is the least important and will be looking for the largest pay raise considering he is only making 1 mill this season. Riding ourselves of 3 roster players isn't taking a step back especially if those positions are being improved. I'd gladly downgrade on Raymond if it means upgrading our D. A hypothetical roster

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($8.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.900m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($3.500m)
Josh Leivo ($0.793m) / Dave Bolland ($4.250m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Carter Ashton ($1.000m) / Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Jerry D'Amigo ($1.000m)
Colton Orr ($0.925m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($7.000m) / Mr. Defensive upgrade ($5.000m)
Jake Gardiner ($2.000m) / Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m)
Tim Gleason ($4.000m) / Morgan Rielly ($0.894m)
Mr. depth D ($0.700m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
Mr. Back up goalie ($1.500m)
BUYOUTS
Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
Mikhail Grabovski ($0.000m)

I think Kulemin at 3.5 is wishful thinking, but it would be nice. I think he is good as gone come free agency Clarkson's contract will interfere with the negotiation.