Salary Cap: Cap Problems next season?

[Al14]

The Canadian dollar just fell hard, so the ~$71M cap projections are being quite generous.



They were RFA's. Tampa would've matched Stamkos for the max, and the Islanders would get 4 1sts before they even consider not matching Tavares.

They could have both signed for shorter terms! They also could have requested to be traded to Toronto. I think they could have done a Kariya? No?

I don't want either Stamkos or Tavares on the downside of their careers! We've done that before with very limited success!

 

[MakeTheIronSing]

Figured it out.

Off season moves

TOR/SJ: Gardiner + Ashton + Brown for Wingels + Braun

TOR/CGY: Reimer + Biggs + 4th round pick(CGY) '14 for Baertschi + 2nd round pick(COL) '14 + 6th round pick '15

TOR/?: Rights to Cody Franson for 3rd round pick '15 + 5th round pick '14

Signings: G Justin Peters 2 years/$3million - D Zach Redmond 1 year/$1.4million



FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($8.000m)
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.900m) / Sven Baertschi ($0.894m)
Jerry D'Amigo ($0.925m) / Dave Bolland ($4.100m) / Tommy Wingels ($2.900m)
Teemu Hartikanen ($1.300m) / Peter Holland ($1.200m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Colton Orr ($0.925m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($7.000m) / Justin Braun ($1.250m)
Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m) / Morgan Rielly ($0.894m)
Tim Gleason ($4.000m) / Petter Granberg ($0.800m)
Zach Redmond ($1.400m)
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
Justin Peters ($1.500m)
BUYOUTS
Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
Mikhail Grabovski ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,988,333; BONUSES: $1,481,250
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $6,111,667

Pretty sure the Flames aren't going to part with Sven Baertschi for that offer. He is one of their only young talents... so there's that.

Clarkson on the 4th line is a pure waste of money.

Justin Peters is a weird choice. I don't see that happening.

Why is Braun going to replace the guy that has been playing with Phaneuf for years?

 

[FifthLine]

Out:
Bolland
Raymond
Franson
Reimer (Trade)
Gardiner (Trade)

In:
Vet DFD
Komarov
Kule
Mcc
Young Centre (Trade)

 

[Primary Assist]

there is absolutely no way Clarkson is bought out this summer, and he almost certainly won't be traded. The guy pulling the trigger on these moves is Dave Nonis, and it would be tantamount to career suicide if he were to admit he made such a huge mistake with the Clarkson contract by getting rid of him. Not only would this represent cap mismanagement, but it would also cost his bosses millions upon millions of dollars in real money.

 

[glue]

I'm not saying to replace Raymond with an upgrade on the 3rd line.

What I'm saying is -- our top 2 lines have to be good enough and consistent enough offensively, that a player in the position of Mason Raymond (likely Peter Holland next year) cannot be as critical to our success as Raymond has been this year.

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Gotcha..sorry misunderstood...agree completely on that.

 

[pspot]

if they want to bring essentially the same team back with some internal improvement then they should be okay

 

[Anthrax442]

I am okay if they can't sign Raymond.

 

[Faltorvo]

I don't think it's sitting in with some folks that there is a very real chance that the cap only goes up by 3.7m next season, thanks to our loony tanking.

 

[Michael Gary Scott]

Bolland better be good as gone, he'll want too much. Raymond too. I'm fine with losing McClement as long as we keep Kulemin.

 

[Patty Lee]

If we need the cap space, I see no reason why we can't buyout Clarkson.

It would save us

2014-15 $2,958,333
2015-16 $3,708,333
2016-17 $5,208,333
2017-18 $5,208,333
2018-19 $2,958,333
2019-20 $1,458,333
2020-21 -$1,791,667
2021-22 -$1,791,667
2022-23 -$1,791,667
2023-24 -$1,791,667
2024-25 -$1,791,667
2025-26 -$1,791,667

that would be smart....

 

[Leafidelity]

If we need the cap space, I see no reason why we can't buyout Clarkson.

It would save us

2014-15 $2,958,333
2015-16 $3,708,333
2016-17 $5,208,333
2017-18 $5,208,333
2018-19 $2,958,333
2019-20 $1,458,333
2020-21 -$1,791,667
2021-22 -$1,791,667
2022-23 -$1,791,667
2023-24 -$1,791,667
2024-25 -$1,791,667
2025-26 -$1,791,667

Seven years of whining is going to be hard enough, I couldn't handle twelve.

 

[Baba Ganoush]

If Bolland is for real with the contract demands he can leave. I'd like to see Raymond back but def not if he wants too much $$. I'd be just as happy seeing him replaced with someone like Ott/Downie/Cleary if the price was right. We do need to get tougher.

JVR (4.25) Bozak (4.2) Kessel (8) (approx 16.5)
Lupul (5.25) Kadri (2.9) Clarkson (5.25) (approx 13.5)
Kulemin + any two of Ott/Cleary/Downie/Raymond/Marlie(s) (approx 8)
McClement + Marlie(s)/UFA(s) (approx 4)

Would be ok with a forward group like that. As for the D, there aren't many FA's that are intriguing so maybe a trade or two is needed. Only locks for next season for me are Phaneuf and Rielly. I like what Gleason brings as well.

 

[Patty Lee]

I wouldn't neccessarily call it an influx. Remember, it's not like the Leafs have very good prospects "chomping at the bit" or anything. They've basically got a bunch of likely career journeymen, who are useful bodies on a 4th line, but really nothing more than that. The 2 exceptions are likely Holland & Gauthier, but the latter's still a couple of years away.

While the 4th line doesn't have to be filled with high-priced talent, it is important that the 4th line have players on it who are capable of taking on bigger roles. Right now, the only player we have who can do that is Holland, so we could be putting ourselves at a fairly substantial injury risk if we slot him into the top 9 during the offseason.

Based on what we saw today, it doesn't seem like Reimer's going to have a ton of value on the trade market in the summer... so it may just not be worth trading him, although #1 priority has to be finding for a defenceman to play with one of Franson/Gardiner (likely Gardiner because he'll be cheaper, and only an idiot would break up Phaneuf-Gunnarssson).

I must be an idiot

 

[Patty Lee]

Look at some of the best teams right now; LA's got guys like Tyler Toffoli and Tanner Pearson, Chicago did it with Bollig and Shaw, Detroit's been doing it for years now, Tatar and Jurco for example this year.

There's nothing stopping us from slotting in a few of Holland, D'amigo, Ashton, Leivo and Broll in our bottom 6 next year, as long as we've got veterans mixed in.

Agree completely about the dman, we need a #2. Franson should be the one traded, either in a package for a #2dman or for a similar aged cheap bottom 6 fwd to fill the hole left by the depature of Raymond, Bolland etc.

The Leafs have a Tatar or Jurco?

 

[Patty Lee]

Why does anyone think Stamkos, or Tavares, will ever be Leafs?

Both had opportunities to come home and chose to re-sign in Florida and N.Y.!

Also, does anyone really believe the NHL will allow a premium player to come to the Leafs? They will both end up back in the U.S.A. when their current contracts expire. The U.S. market is very important to Bettman and Co., and I can't see him allowing any TOP players wind up in Toronto. Well, not unless Toronto trades a boatload of talent and picks for said players!

I really HOPE I'm WRONG!!!

I assume your 3rd paragraph is just a joke?

 

[topched]

The Leafs have a Tatar or Jurco?

Take a look at Ashton and Hollands numbers in the A, compare to Tatar.

It's really just a matter of entrusting them with minutes and supplementing them with steady reliable veterans.

Those 3 are all similar, so was Nyquist. Difference is Babcock doesn't put Tatar on the 4th line with Colton Orr and play him 5 mins a night.

There's nothing stopping us from putting these guys in the lineup, giving them solid mins and letting them develop. We're not getting offense from those lines as it is anyway

 

[Patty Lee]

Take a look at Ashton and Hollands numbers in the A, compare to Tatar.

It's really just a matter of entrusting them with minutes and supplementing them with steady reliable veterans.

Those 3 are all similar, so was Nyquist. Difference is Babcock doesn't put Tatar on the 4th line with Colton Orr and play him 5 mins a night.

There's nothing stopping us from putting these guys in the lineup, giving them solid mins and letting them develop. We're not getting offense from those lines as it is anyway

sorry, I watched Tomas here in SJ for 3 years and the Leafs do not have anyone close to him in the system that I see.

Holland is already playing in more than 1/2 the games, so not sure why you are talking about him being added next year.

 

[topched]

sorry, I watched Tomas here in SJ for 3 years and the Leafs do not have anyone close to him in the system that I see.

Holland is already playing in more than 1/2 the games, so not sure why you are talking about him being added next year.

So after I write about comparisons to Tomas Tatar you refer back to Jurco?

My point is we've got young, controllable, cheap bottom six forwards who we need to use effectively. In the cap world these guys are very important.

In order to add some of the more important impact pieces cap wise, we need to find a way to infuse the lineup with some of Ashton, Holland, Damigo etc.

Having 3 or 4 2mil+ players in the bottom 6 is unrealistic if we want to add a #2 D etc.

 

[Patty Lee]

So after I write about comparisons to Tomas Tatar you refer back to Jurco?

My point is we've got young, controllable, cheap bottom six forwards who we need to use effectively. In the cap world these guys are very important.

In order to add some of the more important impact pieces cap wise, we need to find a way to infuse the lineup with some of Ashton, Holland, Damigo etc.

Having 3 or 4 2mil+ players in the bottom 6 is unrealistic if we want to add a #2 D etc.

I asked if we had a Tatar or Jurco. You claim we have a Tatar (I'll take your word on that). I pointed out in my opinion we don't have close to a Jurco

my point was we don't have as talanted prospects as some you referenced

 

[Rare Jewel]

Pretty sure the Flames aren't going to part with Sven Baertschi for that offer. He is one of their only young talents... so there's that.

Clarkson on the 4th line is a pure waste of money.

Justin Peters is a weird choice. I don't see that happening.

Why is Braun going to replace the guy that has been playing with Phaneuf for years?

They've got more then Baerstchi; Klimchuk, Porier, Jankowski, Johnny Gardreau as well.

Burke isn't a fan of him; I've heard him say almost as much as that, But look at the guys they've called up a head of him Max Reinhart, Markus Granlund and Corbin Knight add to that Hanowski, Byron, Bouma on top of that.

On Clarkson: The lines aren't concrete, If plays better he moves up, Simple as.

Peters: He's played well in Carolina, Younger in terms of UFA's, Another Ontario boy. I'm spit balling with this one.

With Braun; He's a right handed defensemen that gives us options to put Phaneuf or Rielly back on the left side, But he can also defend and make a pass. I feel Gunnarsson plays out of his depth at times with Phaneuf, So putting him on the 2nd pairing eases that.

 

[CelticDruid]

I agree with this except for Lupul, I don't think he should be dumped but we should shop him around to see what we can get.

Dump Lupul ! Once Bolland comes back he will have someone to play along side with. Kadri, does not suit Lupuls game.

 

[Puckstuff]

If we need the cap space, I see no reason why we can't buyout Clarkson.

It would save us

2014-15 $2,958,333
2015-16 $3,708,333
2016-17 $5,208,333
2017-18 $5,208,333
2018-19 $2,958,333
2019-20 $1,458,333
2020-21 -$1,791,667
2021-22 -$1,791,667
2022-23 -$1,791,667
2023-24 -$1,791,667
2024-25 -$1,791,667
2025-26 -$1,791,667

I agree Clarkson needs to go, but not this way. I've been saying for a while Clarkson + 1st for a mid round pick to Calgary. Burke was on TSN saying he would take on bad contracts for picks and Clarkson is a very bad contract so give them a 1st. Clarkson could actually be beneficial to them and would probably do better their... Leafs get rid of that horrible contract by giving up a late 1st so a Gauthier/Percy type prospect... Though im betting Nonis has an ego and would never do it.

 

[Anth93]

Depends if management will feel the need to sign/resign players that we clearly don't need.

 

[likid]

Cap won't be 71mio everybody though, it will be around 68mio. Check this interview from Dean Lombardi from yesterday:

http://mayorsmanor.com/2014/03/dean-lombardi-on-trading-fasching-new-greene-contract/

 

[Mystifo]

Cap won't be 71mio everybody though, it will be around 68mio. Check this interview from Dean Lombardi from yesterday:

http://mayorsmanor.com/2014/03/dean-lombardi-on-trading-fasching-new-greene-contract/

We will have to see. There is still playoff revenue to be made and lets face it if TOR/MTL go deep that is going to be a TON of money for the NHL.