Cap estimates for 25-26 through 27-28

[WeaponOfChoice]

haha...sadly not going to hear about it until the CBA is done and the Canadian TV rights are done.

Wouldn't adding a team in Canada increase those rights?

 

[eojsmada]

Wouldn't adding a team in Canada increase those rights?

It should, but both sides of the deal need cost certainty before you think about expanding. And perhaps there could be something in the deal where there is a provision for another team.

 

[Tawnos]

Wouldn't adding a team in Canada increase those rights?

I don't think it would increase them a ton, because the markets that are left are either small or would cannibalize existing markets. IMO, the TV rights deal in Canada doesn't have much room for growth.

Even though there have been the expressions of interest, I don't think the NHL is seriously considering somewhere like Omaha, either. So this isn't really about Canada. The phase of the NHL expanding to anywhere and everywhere that they can in order to expand the TV footprint ended when they hit 30. Now, they're going to be more targeted and strategic.

 

[StreetHawk]

I don't think it would increase them a ton, because the markets that are left are either small or would cannibalize existing markets. IMO, the TV rights deal in Canada doesn't have much room for growth.

Even though there have been the expressions of interest, I don't think the NHL is seriously considering somewhere like Omaha, either. So this isn't really about Canada. The phase of the NHL expanding to anywhere and everywhere that they can in order to expand the TV footprint ended when they hit 30. Now, they're going to be more targeted and strategic.

NHL now has basically exhausted all non nba us markets. LV and SEA will be getting nba teams soon. Only big markets are left which would justify the NHL’s expansion price tag of $1.5 - $2 billion target.

Those are going to be back door deals. No public expansion process.

 

[Tawnos]

NHL now has basically exhausted all non nba us markets. LV and SEA will be getting nba teams soon. Only big markets are left which would justify the NHL’s expansion price tag of $1.5 - $2 billion target.

Those are going to be back door deals. No public expansion process.

Pretty much. If you’re talking medium markets, they need to either not have an NBA team (San Diego, Kansas City, Austin) or have some factor that might make it work even with an NBA team (Portland and their hockey history).

Then of course there’s the question of arena and ownership. But I just don’t see the NHL having much interest in small markets in either country.

 

[StreetHawk]

Pretty much. If you’re talking medium markets, they need to either not have an NBA team (San Diego, Kansas City, Austin) or have some factor that might make it work even with an NBA team (Portland and their hockey history).

Then of course there’s the question of arena and ownership. But I just don’t see the NHL having much interest in small markets in either country.

Most of those markets listed, not sure how much appeal the NHL has in them. Comparable current NHL markets to those above are what like Ana, Car, TB?

The Arena in KC is like 20 years old now. Portland signed an extension with the Blazers for 5 more years. Are they waiting for Jody Allen to sell the Blazers before they do a massive reno to the arena there?

SD, Kroenke was reportedly invovled in that one. SD needs a new one for concerts and other events, so they do plan on building one. Just a matter of the capacity. No pro NHL/NBA team and they likely go 14K. If they get the pro team, then it's going to be 17K capacity.

Not sure the NHL would opt for Austin over Houston. But, if Ferittia is holding firm on a price point, then Houston isn't an option unless it's a new arena outside the range of where the Toyota Center is (per the agreement they have with the county).