Sportsnet: Canucks will not ask any players to waiver NTCs

[caley]

I'll name my first child after you if Burrows is re-signed.

I never said anything about him being re-signed. You said that he would move at the deadline, and I said that I doubt it, seeing as Benning brought him up, specifically, as one of the two guys with NTCs that were helping groom the youngsters. That doesn't sound like a guy he plans on moving at the deadline.

No doubt he has been positive for Baertschi and Horvat lately but it doesn't warrant him getting a new contract. He was nearly bought out this summer. A couple of weeks of good hockey doesn't equate to a new contract for a 35 year old that isn't getting better.

Again, I never said he would be re-signed.

What I can see however, is Burrows being traded to a contender that wants a playoff performer, an agitator who can score some goals, and someone that is highly versatile. Sounds like a pretty spot on type of player to get at the deadline as a contender.

Again, it's possible, but with Benning saying flat-out that he wouldn't deal a guy with a NTC unless he asked for it, and bringing up Burrows as a model citizen, as it were, at this point, I would say it's highly unlikely Burrows moves, unless he asks for a deal.

I'm puzzled how you could possibly put Miller and Burrows in the "least likely to be moved" pile with their UFA statuses... that's a mystery how you came to that conclusion. Bennings comments shouldn't lead you to that conclusion. He just used Burr as an example of what veteran players can do for the development of young players... like he did with Edler......

He used Burrows name, along with Edler as players who are an example of what veteran players can do who have NTCs that he won't ask them to waive.

It's been reported a few times in Vancouver media that the Canucks have been saying lots of nice things about Miller, even dropping the possibility of him coming back, unprompted.

That's why I'd say that Miller and Burrows, along with the other guys on NMCs/NTCs are the least likely players to be moved this season. If Canuck fans are looking to add picks/prospects at the deadline, then they're probably going to have to accept that they will be late picks (For bit players like, say, Biega or Skille), or that they'll have to move some guys with upside (Baertschi, for instance) and I don't see the latter happening.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

Benning is very open with just about everything he says. It gives us a cool insight into the inner workings of a GM but it also gets him in trouble. I could see why people dislike this

 

[RandV]

I honestly feel bad for Canuck fans due to their management and ownership. They should be on the path to rebuilding but they seem adamant about not committing to it.

The worst part is while we should be on the path to rebuilding, if ownership mandated remaining competitive this option should have been feasible had Benning not made such a mess of things. As it is, we get the worst of both worlds.

 

[thadd]

Man, I feel bad for you Nucks fans.

Your GM talks just like Mac-T and K-Lowe did.
I can say now that Mac-T and K-Lowe gave their hands away all the time because they felt that people were doubting them so they spoke up to make people think they had a plan and they looked like idiots for it.

Vancouver needs to make those guys with NMC and some of the guys with NTC want to go. You need a rebuild. Would be awesome to see all 3 of the oil, flames and nucks in the playoff race in March.

 

[JPeeper]

The thing about Benning that people fail to realize is that I hate him. I hate him so much.

post of the year good Sir. laughed for a few minutes. He really is a terrible GM.

As a Flames fan though, I'm glad he is the GM of the Canucks.

 

[CrypTic]

Why does he feel the need to say everything to the media?

No GM will want to deal with him soon.

Doug Wilson also said he wouldn't ask a player to waive his NTC and that the player would have to come to him. I don't think it's uncommon, though I'm sure some GMs ask. I don't see anything wrong with asking either. I don't think saying your policy about that is a big deal.

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2015/11...ade-rumor-san-jose-sharks-rangers-kings-ducks

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

I'll name my first child after you if Burrows is re-signed.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Burrows re-signs at a more appropriate cap hit and term once his current contract is up.

And I would be thrilled about it.

 

[blankall]

We're not going to ask you to waive your NTC....but if you volunteered to waive it, that would be really great right now and it would help the team out a lot.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

That core did such a great job developing Stetcher in the 15 minutes he's been in Vancouver, I can't wait to see what they can do with Virtanen, Shinkaruk, and McCann!

15 minutes he's been here?? He's been one of our best defensman this season..

 

[ATypicalCanadian]

I don't agree with this at all. We have 8 guys with NMC's/NTC's. You don't need to occupy that much space and $$ on leadership. Also guys like Horvat and Tanev are also adapting to that role. Not a very good reason to hold onto guys when we should be selling off assets.

Realistically if we were rebuilding Burrows, Miller, Edler and Hansen would get some kind of asset's.

The Sedins are attached to the hip and go together(we have no reason to expect otherwise).

Loui Eriksson and Brandon Sutter are another problem entirely because I can't see it being easy to move those guys even if we want to.

 

[Paradise*]

Haha!

Well what do I get when I end up being right?

Your first born child

 

[RandV]

Doug Wilson also said he wouldn't ask a player to waive his NTC and that the player would have to come to him. I don't think it's uncommon, though I'm sure some GMs ask. I don't see anything wrong with asking either. I don't think saying your policy about that is a big deal.

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2015/11...ade-rumor-san-jose-sharks-rangers-kings-ducks

I'd normally say this is true, except in this case Benning has already asked players to waive their NTC's. Right off the bat he asked and traded Garrison, with rumours that a forward (believed to be Burrows) was also asked at the same time but refused. He tried most of last season to move Higgins, and at the deadline bumbled around trying to move Hamhuis and Vrbata. So 3rd season in with things continuing to crumble around him now he takes this stance?

But there's actually probably more going on behind the scenes here than something Benning just recently decided on. Media rumours out of Vancouver that ownership has shut down trading and is talking to another still under contract GM, likely Dave Talon, for advice. If true then it's pretty obvious what that should mean.

 

[CrypTic]

I'd normally say this is true, except in this case Benning has already asked players to waive their NTC's. Right off the bat he asked and traded Garrison, with rumours that a forward (believed to be Burrows) was also asked at the same time but refused. He tried most of last season to move Higgins, and at the deadline bumbled around trying to move Hamhuis and Vrbata. So 3rd season in with things continuing to crumble around him now he takes this stance?

But there's actually probably more going on behind the scenes here than something Benning just recently decided on. Media rumours out of Vancouver that ownership has shut down trading and is talking to another still under contract GM, likely Dave Talon, for advice. If true then it's pretty obvious what that should mean.

Interesting. Thanks. How active are the Aquilinis in the management of the team? Is Benning mostly a yes man like it seemed like Rowe was for Florida? Or do you think the Aquilinis do things like "We're going to try to contend so no rebuild" but otherwise hands off and let the GM run it how he sees fit? (Don't get me wrong. No rebuild when you need one sucks. But I think quite a few owners are very sensitive to cash flow and don't want to rebuild when they should from a team building perspective.)

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

Doesn't really mean anything though.

I mean, they can still say to a player "hey we've got an offer from ______ would you have any interest in playing there?"

Player says no thank you and they say ok cool just checking.

Technically didn't ask them to waive their no trade.

Sounds like a classy position to take though, and frees them from media/fan backlash if they don't move those players if they're way out of it by the TDL. They can just say "player has NTC which we said we would respect, we didn't push on anything the player wanted to stay here and we're happy for their commitment and leadership" etc.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

I'd normally say this is true, except in this case Benning has already asked players to waive their NTC's. Right off the bat he asked and traded Garrison, with rumours that a forward (believed to be Burrows) was also asked at the same time but refused. He tried most of last season to move Higgins, and at the deadline bumbled around trying to move Hamhuis and Vrbata. So 3rd season in with things continuing to crumble around him now he takes this stance?

But there's actually probably more going on behind the scenes here than something Benning just recently decided on. Media rumours out of Vancouver that ownership has shut down trading and is talking to another still under contract GM, likely Dave Talon, for advice. If true then it's pretty obvious what that should mean.

That is interesting if there's truth to it. Talon would be a good hire I would think, good luck and hope you guys get a quality change in GM and the owners put their trust in him and let them do their thing.

What they're doing now just isn't working and surely they can see that finally?

 

[Horse McHindu]

This was mentioned the other day by Jason Botchford, but Jim Benning just confirmed in an interview on Sportsnet during the intermission of the TBL-VAN game that the Canucks will not ask ANY of their players to waiver No Trade Clauses in order to move them to other teams.

I don't mind this for a few reasons:

1) It allows the players and team to simply focus on hockey with no outside distractions. Compete hard every night, and focus on the present. This sends a good message to the kids as well.

2) The guidance and mentorship of the incoming prospects will continue.

3) Benning made it clear that if a player with an NTC/NMC approaches him, and expresses a desire to go to a contender, he'll try and make a trade to accommodate the player.

 

[thepoeticgoblin]

What are the Canucks going to come out and say about Miller right now?

"No, we are not re-signing Ryan Miller in the summer"

what would that result in?
- Miller knows he doesn't have the support of management, could cause a distraction
- Teams low ball the Canucks in trade offers
- Miller doesn't re-sign with the Canucks, walks for free

The narrative doesn't fit with re-signing Miller unless he is willing to take a big pay cut and assume a back up role. I can't see that happening. Last season Markstrom kept getting more and more confidence from the team. This year they are pretty much splitting games. Seems to me Markstrom is being groomed to be the starter next season, with or without Miller. Miller has been fantastic lately, and all I see is the possibility of him being moved at the deadline become more realistic and the return better..

Actually, Marky has started 2 games that has not been on the backend of back to backs when both goalies have been available. The only reason they have similar games played is that Miller has missed games due to injury and flu. Which is seemingly what happened again last night so Marky will probably get both games this weekend. So Miller being brought back is not that far fetched as long as Desjardins is the coach.

 

[AINEC*]

Not until Jim Benning finds out what NTC stands for, at least.

 

[nuckfan insk]

Yet he was on the air talking about how he wants to acquire more draft picks.... for who ? Skille ?

 

[Grub]

Burrows is one of the two players Benning mentioned by name as helping out their younger players (Edler being the other), while there has been some talk recently by the Canucks that indicate they would like to re-sign Miller before next summer and bring him back for another season. So I'd say right now, unless things really change, Miller and Burrows might be among the least likely guys tobe dealt.

Just for nostalgic sake... I would keep Burrows until he retires... Kid has just been a work horse ever since he joined the Canucks from the ECHL.

Sometimes it makes me rather sad seeing Burrows yapping at other players... because now he is the oldest guy out there.

Ah the Vancouver Pests days.... Kesler.. Bieksa... Burrows.. Torres... Lappiere.. now that was a team you would hate to play with.

 

[Grub]

I'd normally say this is true, except in this case Benning has already asked players to waive their NTC's. Right off the bat he asked and traded Garrison, with rumours that a forward (believed to be Burrows) was also asked at the same time but refused. He tried most of last season to move Higgins, and at the deadline bumbled around trying to move Hamhuis and Vrbata. So 3rd season in with things continuing to crumble around him now he takes this stance?

But there's actually probably more going on behind the scenes here than something Benning just recently decided on. Media rumours out of Vancouver that ownership has shut down trading and is talking to another still under contract GM, likely Dave Talon, for advice. If true then it's pretty obvious what that should mean.

Where is the link to this Dave Tallon thing?

 

[Breakers]

Benning really doesn't know when to just like SHUT UP.


I've never seen a guy dig his own grave with just idiotic comments.

"dig up stupid"

 

[Mr Misty]

15 minutes he's been here?? He's been one of our best defensman this season..

And you drafted him many years ago and carefully guided his development over the course of those years?

This is a thing a GM should brag about. Hey, we signed a good player/a player who is OK but fits pretty well/a player who is playing at his career peak but will shortly turn back into a pumpkin. Whichever way it goes, good job getting some NHL games for nothing. But it's down to scouting and has nothing to do with leadership because you signed him like 6 months ago. 30 games isn't enough time for anybody to develop into anything, he's roughly as good as he was when you signed him. Give public credit to front office people and not Alex Burrows.

 

[RandV]

Where is the link to this Dave Tallon thing?

I may have been a bit quick calling it 'media rumours', as I browsed through it on the Canucks board this morning but the source actually came from Canucks Army (article link). Better than just some random blogger but I'm not sure how reputable they are compared to legit media sources.

In regards to Tallon this is what was said:

There are even whispers that ownership has consulted with a former NHL GM, who happens to still be under contract with his former team. Not about taking on a GM role with the team, but for advice.

No names specified, but there's been a lot of rumours about a possible Tallon link to Vancouver the last few months. So if the above is to be believed it's easy to fill in the blanks.

 

[Beansy*]

Is this surprising? Whatever is the logical and rational move, Jimbo does the opposite. He's an idiot and his boss is a complete imbecile.