Confirmed with Link: Canucks Sign Pius Suter - 2-years @ $1.6M AAV

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Having stop gaps now is the reality of needing time to unwind Benning’s mess. Just too many moveavble shit contracts and too little assets. We have only so little trade assets and management used it to get Hronek.

I think the long term solution to the 3C is Raty and let’s hope our Olympic skating coach can fix his skating so he’s at least an average skater. Pretty sure he’ll be a really good 3C if she can fix that.
Having a farm with Hoglander, Podz, Raty, Klimovich is a good problem to have
That’s 4 players I’d be excited to see dress for the Canucks over the scrubs who use to make up our depth
 
Sure, his higher cap hit is why Dickinson is no longer a Canuck. But he gets too much hate for that, which doesn't really impact what he is as a player who doesn't really stink. Everywhere other than Vancouver, he's been a reasonably solid ~30pt pace two-way bottom-6 winger/utility player with size and speed.


People are just clouded by him getting overpaid as a #3C and being a dud in that role here. They let it turn into hyperbole about how much he "stinks" as a player as a whole.
The problem with Dickinson was (apart from salary) that he was billed as a center but was awful in that position. Pius Suter is an actual center. Is he a 3C? Probably not. Will see this upcoming season if splitting 3C duties between he and Bluegar is a workable solution or not...
 
The problem with Dickinson was (apart from salary) that he was billed as a center but was awful in that position. Pius Suter is an actual center. Is he a 3C? Probably not. Will see this upcoming season if splitting 3C duties between he and Bluegar is a workable solution or not...

I think that's partly on point. But there's a little more nuance to it than that.

The problem with Dickinson was that he didn't have the requisite puck distributing capability to be any kind of 3C. As a 4C on a line who are just out there to get pucks in deep, grind and rattle the boards...he's fine. As a 3rd liner, that lack of vision and passing ability make him strictly a winger.

Unfortunately, when Dickinson was here...we had a messed up situation that didn't really facilitate that well and he kept getting shoehorned into spots he didn't fit. He also seemed weirdly out of sync with the system as a whole. Had him playing slow and timid, which isn't his game at all. It was just a terrible fit.


Suter is a bit the other way around. He's a better facilitator offensively. He can get the puck to his wingers more effectively. Makes him better suited to playing with offensive-minded players.


Bluegers is closer to Dickinson in style and function (though more physical). But yeah...it feels like bringing in Suter is an acknowledgement that we have this surplus of "offensive-minded" wingers who need to play with someone who can at least mostly stay out of the way offensively. It definitely sets up for a sort of 3a/3b sort of lineup. We'll see how it works. It's what our collection of wingers is sort of built for though.
 
I feel like pro scouting has improved exponentially. Same staff but different GM and braintrust. Hmmmm.
 
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I think that's partly on point. But there's a little more nuance to it than that.

The problem with Dickinson was that he didn't have the requisite puck distributing capability to be any kind of 3C. As a 4C on a line who are just out there to get pucks in deep, grind and rattle the boards...he's fine. As a 3rd liner, that lack of vision and passing ability make him strictly a winger.

Unfortunately, when Dickinson was here...we had a messed up situation that didn't really facilitate that well and he kept getting shoehorned into spots he didn't fit. He also seemed weirdly out of sync with the system as a whole. Had him playing slow and timid, which isn't his game at all. It was just a terrible fit.


Suter is a bit the other way around. He's a better facilitator offensively. He can get the puck to his wingers more effectively. Makes him better suited to playing with offensive-minded players.


Bluegers is closer to Dickinson in style and function (though more physical). But yeah...it feels like bringing in Suter is an acknowledgement that we have this surplus of "offensive-minded" wingers who need to play with someone who can at least mostly stay out of the way offensively. It definitely sets up for a sort of 3a/3b sort of lineup. We'll see how it works. It's what our collection of wingers is sort of built for though.

Bang on. He was overpaid and put in a role that was unsuitable for him...not unlike Sutter I guess if you want to go back a bit. Additionally the guy was reportedly playing with a broken hand while here which most likely did not help matters.
 
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I'm not sure why Dickinson is somehow remembered as being good - he wasn't. Doesn't matter what his cap hit was. You can chalk that up to adjustment but last year his public advanced stats look close or slightly worse than Suter's.

Suter has also scored roughly 50% more goals in every season than Dickinson ever has...Also interesting that Suter had 111 PP minutes two seasons ago but 6 PPM this past year while Dickinson was inverted, with no PP time two seasons ago and 52 minutes this past season. Suter kept up his scoring either way, which is promising to me.

I haven't seen Suter play but I've definitely seen Dickinson...
 
I think that's partly on point. But there's a little more nuance to it than that.

The problem with Dickinson was that he didn't have the requisite puck distributing capability to be any kind of 3C. As a 4C on a line who are just out there to get pucks in deep, grind and rattle the boards...he's fine. As a 3rd liner, that lack of vision and passing ability make him strictly a winger.

Unfortunately, when Dickinson was here...we had a messed up situation that didn't really facilitate that well and he kept getting shoehorned into spots he didn't fit. He also seemed weirdly out of sync with the system as a whole. Had him playing slow and timid, which isn't his game at all. It was just a terrible fit.


Suter is a bit the other way around. He's a better facilitator offensively. He can get the puck to his wingers more effectively. Makes him better suited to playing with offensive-minded players.


Bluegers is closer to Dickinson in style and function (though more physical). But yeah...it feels like bringing in Suter is an acknowledgement that we have this surplus of "offensive-minded" wingers who need to play with someone who can at least mostly stay out of the way offensively. It definitely sets up for a sort of 3a/3b sort of lineup. We'll see how it works. It's what our collection of wingers is sort of built for though.
Here’s the thing with Suter.

He can play centre and wing, and has the offensive upside required to at least play in the top 6 in a crunch. He has decent puck skills and can score goals. Dickinson had minimal offensive ability and like you said was completely out of sync when he was tried anywhere but the 4th line.

Dickinson also has never scored more than 9 goals in his career. His shot, playmaking, pretty much everything offensively he was terrible. He was slow, soft, and couldn’t keep up with play. He was never really good defensively either.

With Suter, you know you’re getting 14-15 goals, solid PK ability, and versatility throughout the line up.
 
Dickinson didn't work out in Vancouver for some reason, and didn't have much to offer in the way off offensive juice. But nah...Pius Suter is a much more "nothing" player overall. Dickinson was at least big, fast, and should've been useful in a defensive/shutdown role.

Suter has a little bit more in the way of "offensive facilitator" ability. If he has a winger on his line who can drive play, he'll pick up a few points just by...being there. But he's truly underwhelming in pretty much everything. He's not fast, kind of small, fairly soft, he's not super creative or a naturally talented goal-scorer, he's not great defensively or offensively. He also just happens to only be a little bit below average in everything, so it balances out to a filler player who can give you some minutes, if you support him with surrounding cast that is better than him at particular things.


Very different sort of player than Dickinson though.
A slightly better Dries
 
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i think dickinson is a substantially better player than suter but suter at 1.6/2 is better than dickinson at 2.6/3. it also doesn't hurt that suter didn't cost a 3rd to acquire and a 2nd to dump like dickinson
Suter would have to be truly, truly awful (like way below replacement level) to be "substantially" worse than what Dickinson was for Vancouver.

At a minimum, Suter can actually play center (which was my main criticism of Dickinson at the time of the trade, that he was not an actual center). Suter's also had a better track record of middle-six-ish production than Dickinson (and another criticism I had of the Dickinson trade was that pretty much his only stretch of production came while playing the wing in the top-six with Dallas)

A slightly better Dries
A slightly better Dries is a better player than whatever Dickinson was for Vancouver, and not by an insignificant margin.

I'm not sure why Dickinson is somehow remembered as being good - he wasn't. Doesn't matter what his cap hit was. You can chalk that up to adjustment but last year his public advanced stats look close or slightly worse than Suter's.

Suter has also scored roughly 50% more goals in every season than Dickinson ever has...Also interesting that Suter had 111 PP minutes two seasons ago but 6 PPM this past year while Dickinson was inverted, with no PP time two seasons ago and 52 minutes this past season. Suter kept up his scoring either way, which is promising to me.

I haven't seen Suter play but I've definitely seen Dickinson...
It's bizarre that some people think Suter will assuredly be worse than Dickinson, when Dickinson was pretty damn terrible for Vancouver. Like, he was slow, no offense, couldn't play center, and wasn't even good on the PK.
 
The problem with Dickinson was (apart from salary) that he was billed as a center but was awful in that position. Pius Suter is an actual center. Is he a 3C? Probably not. Will see this upcoming season if splitting 3C duties between he and Bluegar is a workable solution or not...
Yep. One main benefit is that Suter can actually play center.

Anyone with any kind of knowledge of Dallas before the trade (which obviously excludes Jim Benning) knew at the time that Dickinson was not a true center.
 
Curious as to why Detroit (or anyone else) didn't want to sign him; seems like he's more of a 4C or winger? As some others have suggested, a much cheaper Dickinson. Hope this solves the 3C problem but it's basically a Hail Mary.
 
In my neighborhood, some Karen put together a petition against a proposed 20-units supportive housing for single parents and somehow gathered more than 100 signatures.

People who can afford their homes in this town are particularly vocal about certain things they don't like.

Nimby’s are everywhere and unfortunately the opinions of vocal minorities seem to rule the roost.
 
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Speaking of Suter and Dries, this signing is also a big boost for the offense in Abbotsford. Dries is an impact player at the AHL-level.
 
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Speaking of Suter and Dries, this signing is also a big boost for the offense in Abbotsford. Dries is an impact player at the AHL-level.
Yup. This management group has created depth and competition for roster spots and ice time. Suter could spend time in the minors (or traded or plucked off waivers) if he’s pushed out by another player.
 
Does this mean him and Blueger are the first 2 forwards over the boards for the PK?

Or do you run a center and a winger and save the center for PK2
 
Speaking of Suter and Dries, this signing is also a big boost for the offense in Abbotsford. Dries is an impact player at the AHL-level.
I’m curious if Abbotsford will be granted an exemption to dress an extra skater.
 
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That’s a very small line up especially the third line. Garland on the third line is just a waste tbh.

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$5 million dollar 5'7 160 lbs 3rd liner who isn't isn't overly physical and doesn't pk.

A. Thank you Alex, what is how not to be a successful team in the NHL?
 
Does this mean him and Blueger are the first 2 forwards over the boards for the PK?

Or do you run a center and a winger and save the center for PK2
My guess:

Blueger-Mikheyev
Suter-Joshua
Miller-Pettersson

Center and winger for sure, I don’t think that’s up for debate.
 
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My guess:

Blueger-Mikheyev
Suter-Joshua
Miller-Pettersson

Center and winger for sure, I don’t think that’s up for debate.
I'd probably go Blueger/Mikheyev, Suter/Joshua, Aman/PDG on the PK. Get Miller off of it entirely, at the least.

They added defensive pieces. Utilize them to give Miller and Petey more offensive minutes.
 
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Here’s the thing with Suter.

He can play centre and wing, and has the offensive upside required to at least play in the top 6 in a crunch. He has decent puck skills and can score goals. Dickinson had minimal offensive ability and like you said was completely out of sync when he was tried anywhere but the 4th line.

Dickinson also has never scored more than 9 goals in his career. His shot, playmaking, pretty much everything offensively he was terrible. He was slow, soft, and couldn’t keep up with play. He was never really good defensively either.

With Suter, you know you’re getting 14-15 goals, solid PK ability, and versatility throughout the line up.

See, this is the problem with evaluating a player like Dickinson purely based on one disaster season where he was shoehorned into the wrong roles and never seemed to mesh with poor, unstructured coaching and systems. While also apparently playing through a broken hand to boot.

Dickinson everywhere outside of Vancouver that one season, was known for his speed and tenacity. That was basically the hallmark of his game. Just a fast, hardworking, no frills utility player who took care of his own end.

It obviously didn't work out here under those particular miscast circumstances, but that doesn't completely invalidate the guy as a useful player in a more appropriate role.


It's bizarre that some people think Suter will assuredly be worse than Dickinson, when Dickinson was pretty damn terrible for Vancouver. Like, he was slow, no offense, couldn't play center, and wasn't even good on the PK.

I don't think many people believe that. Especially not in the role that we glaringly needed right now. Dickinson would be a far worse fit than Suter to play a sort de facto 3C role with skilled offensive-minded players. Suter has a more appropriate skillset to at least have a shot at being useful there, when we already have a backfill for Dickinson in Bluegers now to fill any of that other role.

But as above...judging Dickinson as a player solely based on one catastrophic sample out of his career absent context, is a super parochial way of thinking about it. For all we know, Dickinson could've been a great natural fit with Tocchet behind the bench. With more structured game and asking for different things out of his players, deployed in a way that made more sense to his strengths/limitations. Leaning entirely on the one major outlier year (good or bad) is typically not a reliable way of assessing players.


A slightly better Dries

Yeah. This is a darn good comparison really. He's basically a "rich man's Dries". Who has the same sort of decent offensive skillset as what @MS described as basically a 3W or 5C, but less of those major deficiencies in size+skating that make Dries relatively ineffective at the NHL level.

It was an area that this team clearly needed to improve if they're going to get anything out of our surplus offensive wingers. Whichever of them end up being the overflow from the Top-6...the reality is, we've basically got 7 wingers who effectively need offensive minutes with a skilled Center who can at least reasonably distribute the puck. 8 if Pearson throws a wrench in things by trying to make his comeback.

That Center certainly wouldn't be Dickinson. It's probably not Bluegers who also plays a very direct "simple" game. It's not anything Aman has shown to date. It's not Dries who is too slow and weak to contribute effectively.

Pius Suter is...vaguely in the mold of a guy who could work for that role. There's a reason two other teams have already let him mosey on along his way, despite looking "decent on paper". I think a lot of people have let some counting stats and charts unduly influence their perceptions of him as a better player than he actually is. But...he's at least an upgrade on Dries. If they can keep his minutes protected enough, he should at least give guys like Garland/Hoglander/Podkolzin/Beauvillier/et al something they can viably work with in a tertiary scoring role.
 
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I'd probably go Blueger/Mikheyev, Suter/Joshua, Aman/PDG on the PK. Get Miller off of it entirely, at the least.

They added defensive pieces. Utilize them to give Miller and Petey more offensive minutes.

Agreed for Petey, but Miller is one of two guys on the team that can win faceoffs. He's going to PK.
 

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