Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign G Jiri Patera to 2-Year, 2-Way Contract ($775K)

[credulous]

The reality is, in today's NHL it's just extremely difficult to make it as a 6' goalie. There are a few that have, like Juuse Saros who is under 6' or Igor Shesterkin who's only 6'1" and Alexander Georgiev, who's the same size.

those are like 2 of the best 3 goalies in the league tho

 

[Vector]

those are like 2 of the best 3 goalies in the league tho

If you are 6'0 or shorter and a goalie then you have to be one of the best in the league.

 

[F A N]

Obviously Ian Clark isn't infallible. But the Canuck brain-trust relies on him heavily and almost exclusively when it comes to the drafting, development and trading for or getting rid of goaltenders.

Nobody is disputing that but your appeal to authority is irrelevant.

At one time Clark may have been convinced that DiPietro could be an NHL goalie, despite his size disadvantage. But clearly a couple of years in the AHL with Utica and Abbotsford changed his mind. DiPietro just wasn't very good.

Are you Ian Clark? Are you telling us that that's what Clark told you? That he "clearly" changed his mind about Dipietro?

The reality is, in today's NHL it's just extremely difficult to make it as a 6' goalie. There are a few that have, like Juuse Saros who is under 6' or Igor Shesterkin who's only 6'1" and Alexander Georgiev, who's the same size.

Sure and most 6'3" goalies don't make it to the NHL.

But shorter goalies from Canada? Not very likely. Canada isn't producing very good goalies anyway. So it really doesn't matter how good DiPietro was in junior. He might get a callup to the Bruins this year, with Linus Ullmark now in Ottawa.

Can you think of a #1 goalie in the NHL who was average during his junior aged years relative to his peers? The Canucks have been good over the years at finding goalies but none of the goalies were average in juniors. Lack had stellar numbers over in Sweden before we signed him. Markstrom was at one time the best prospect outside the NHL. Silovs, for example, was terrific in the U18s. Don't think we need to discuss Schneider and Demko.

But at this point, he's an AHL journeyman, pure and simple.

If DiPietro is an AHL journeyman then how is Patera different? The fact that he has played some NHL games?

Like a lot of goalies, Patera does have a good base to develop into an NHL goalie. Just stat watching Patera didn't look very good last season. Vegas fans aren't singing his praises either.

 

[biturbo19]

I rather have DiPietro.

Whatever DiPietro has managed to salvage of his career at this point elsewhere, is largely a moot point to us. Ian Clark doesn't really believe in working with small goaltenders like that.

He basically put up with DeSmith as the backup last year, but both parties more or less admitted that it was a temporary marriage of convenience because he happened to be cheap and available and Silovs was very questionable to be ready to start the season as the backup. But both parties also largely admitted that Clark wasn't going to do a lot to try to reshape DeSmith's game to fit his "system". Just little tweaks here and there.


But it's big guys like Demko, Silovs, Tolopilo, and Patera now...who tend to suit what Clark wants his goaltenders to do far more closely. He's a bit of a real "size queen" when it comes to his netminder preferences. But at the end of the day...it's kinda hard to argue with results. If he can keep turning big piles of clay into NHL netminders at the rate he seems to, i think most fans and the organization can pretty happily live with a few of the idiosyncrasies in what he prefers to work with as a starting point for size+tools.

 

[F A N]

Whatever DiPietro has managed to salvage of his career at this point elsewhere, is largely a moot point to us.

I don't disagree with that. What I said is that I prefer DiPietro. Never said that was an option.

Ian Clark doesn't really believe in working with small goaltenders like that.

I think you're conflating preference with belief. We drafted Dipietro in the first place and Clark has consistently said that he thinks Dipietro will reach the NHL level. If my memory serves, Clark doesn't throw around this kind of praise for every one of his goalie prospects.

He basically put up with DeSmith as the backup last year, but both parties more or less admitted that it was a temporary marriage of convenience because he happened to be cheap and available and Silovs was very questionable to be ready to start the season as the backup. But both parties also largely admitted that Clark wasn't going to do a lot to try to reshape DeSmith's game to fit his "system". Just little tweaks here and there.

I don't know where you got that but I can believe that the DeSmith acquisition was basically all management here. I also believe that Clark tends to take more of a collaborative approach to veterans. So like you said, more about tweaks here and there with vets.

But it's big guys like Demko, Silovs, Tolopilo, and Patera now...who tend to suit what Clark wants his goaltenders to do far more closely. He's a bit of a real "size queen" when it comes to his netminder preferences. But at the end of the day...it's kinda hard to argue with results. If he can keep turning big piles of clay into NHL netminders at the rate he seems to, i think most fans and the organization can pretty happily live with a few of the idiosyncrasies in what he prefers to work with as a starting point for size+tools.

No disagreement here. The average starting goalie in the NHL is inching closer to 6'3" now? Clark does prefer guys with athleticism and length that he can mould. That's no secret and it makes sense. Clark believes he can teach technique in a weekend. So things like technique and structure are things he doesn't care about in a prospect because that can be taught. It's why he looks for the other intangibles which include competitiveness and coachability. The formula works well enough to get most of these raw lengthy athletic guys close. But it's the other things Clark can't teach that determines the goalie's NHL future.

With that said, just because Clark prefers bigger guys doesn't mean he didn't like Dipietro. VanJack was trying to equate trading him to Clark not liking him or no longer believing in Dipietro's NHL future. I disagree with that. I think Clark loved Dipietro. He didn't have ideal size but Dipietro has the athleticism, instinct, work ethic and coachability that Clark likes.

 

[VanJack]

Nobody is disputing that but your appeal to authority is irrelevant.

Are you Ian Clark? Are you telling us that that's what Clark told you? That he "clearly" changed his mind about Dipietro?


Sure and most 6'3" goalies don't make it to the NHL.


Can you think of a #1 goalie in the NHL who was average during his junior aged years relative to his peers? The Canucks have been good over the years at finding goalies but none of the goalies were average in juniors. Lack had stellar numbers over in Sweden before we signed him. Markstrom was at one time the best prospect outside the NHL. Silovs, for example, was terrific in the U18s. Don't think we need to discuss Schneider and Demko.


If DiPietro is an AHL journeyman then how is Patera different? The fact that he has played some NHL games?

Like a lot of goalies, Patera does have a good base to develop into an NHL goalie. Just stat watching Patera didn't look very good last season. Vegas fans aren't singing his praises either.

Just a lot of gobbledygook.....DiPietro spent the entire season before last in the ECHL So even the Bruins weren't that high on him. And if the Canucks thought he'd be any good, they never would have traded him in the first place.

And the guy they dealt him for--Jack Studnicka--lasted in the organization for less than half a season. Nothing from nothing, still equals nothing.

 

[RobertKron]

Just a lot of gobbledygook.....DiPietro spent the entire season before last in the ECHL So even the Bruins weren't that high on him. And if the Canucks thought he'd be any good, they never would have traded him in the first place.

And the guy they dealt him for--Jack Studnicka--lasted in the organization for less than half a season. Nothing from nothing, still equals nothing.

lmao

 

[LemonSauceD]

lmao

Don’t knock it till you try it

 

[arttk]

Nobody is disputing that but your appeal to authority is irrelevant.

Are you Ian Clark? Are you telling us that that's what Clark told you? That he "clearly" changed his mind about Dipietro?


Sure and most 6'3" goalies don't make it to the NHL.


Can you think of a #1 goalie in the NHL who was average during his junior aged years relative to his peers? The Canucks have been good over the years at finding goalies but none of the goalies were average in juniors. Lack had stellar numbers over in Sweden before we signed him. Markstrom was at one time the best prospect outside the NHL. Silovs, for example, was terrific in the U18s. Don't think we need to discuss Schneider and Demko.


If DiPietro is an AHL journeyman then how is Patera different? The fact that he has played some NHL games?

Like a lot of goalies, Patera does have a good base to develop into an NHL goalie. Just stat watching Patera didn't look very good last season. Vegas fans aren't singing his praises either.

I think the bridge was already nuked before current management came onboard. Benning f***ed DiPietro’s development by basically sitting him for a season and more and it was clear that he wanted out of the org.

 

[F A N]

Just a lot of gobbledygook.....DiPietro spent the entire season before last in the ECHL So even the Bruins weren't that high on him. And if the Canucks thought he'd be any good, they never would have traded him in the first place.

And the guy they dealt him for--Jack Studnicka--lasted in the organization for less than half a season. Nothing from nothing, still equals nothing.

Again with your false equivalency.

 

[StreetHawk]

Just a lot of gobbledygook.....DiPietro spent the entire season before last in the ECHL So even the Bruins weren't that high on him. And if the Canucks thought he'd be any good, they never would have traded him in the first place.

And the guy they dealt him for--Jack Studnicka--lasted in the organization for less than half a season. Nothing from nothing, still equals nothing.

The last piece of that deal with J Myrengberg a rhd in Sweden. So that deal isn’t over yet.

At some point Clark was likely brought in and asked which guys are likely to have the best shot in the nhl and he advised them it was Silovs over Dipietro. So they moved off Mikey. Best of luck to him. He’s 25 now and Boston got Korpisalo in the Ullmark deal so they don’t have an opening.

 

[MS]

Dipietro is shit and was thankfully dumped two seasons ago. Why is he even being discussed as some sort of positive option?

 

[F A N]

The last piece of that deal with J Myrengberg a rhd in Sweden. So that deal isn’t over yet.

At some point Clark was likely brought in and asked which guys are likely to have the best shot in the nhl and he advised them it was Silovs over Dipietro. So they moved off Mikey. Best of luck to him. He’s 25 now and Boston got Korpisalo in the Ullmark deal so they don’t have an opening.

Canucks also ended up signing Delia meaning one of Martin/Delia would be in the AHL alongside Silovs. It's just one of those things. Martin, as good as he was that previous season, it was a small sample size and he was an unproven backup. Dipietro, with his stalled development, wasn't at the point where he could be trusted to play NHL games if needed. It's no surprise that management wanted an experienced #3 goalie. We've certainly had an experienced #3 goalie down in the AHL alongside our goalie prospect for years (e.g. Demko had Bachman). Martin was orginally brought in to platoon with Dipietro.

 

[StreetHawk]

Canucks also ended up signing Delia meaning one of Martin/Delia would be in the AHL alongside Silovs. It's just one of those things. Martin, as good as he was that previous season, it was a small sample size and he was an unproven backup. Dipietro, with his stalled development, wasn't at the point where he could be trusted to play NHL games if needed. It's no surprise that management wanted an experienced #3 goalie. We've certainly had an experienced #3 goalie down in the AHL alongside our goalie prospect for years (e.g. Demko had Bachman). Martin was orginally brought in to platoon with Dipietro.

Every team needs to be 3 deep in net. So, depends on what you have at both levels at the time. As the backup gets the workload should the starter go down with 3G gets a backup load til the starter returns. Generally not running a young backup and a young 3rd option. One of them would need to be a veteran just in case.

 

[F A N]

Every team needs to be 3 deep in net. So, depends on what you have at both levels at the time. As the backup gets the workload should the starter go down with 3G gets a backup load til the starter returns. Generally not running a young backup and a young 3rd option. One of them would need to be a veteran just in case.

Agreed. And it's unfortunate that Dipietro's development was stalled. He would have had 3 full years of AHL play. Then again, management still might have been more comfortable signing Delia but there might have been a stronger case of rolling with Dipietro/Martin and Silovs down on the farm.

 

[RobertKron]

Canucks also ended up signing Delia meaning one of Martin/Delia would be in the AHL alongside Silovs. It's just one of those things. Martin, as good as he was that previous season, it was a small sample size and he was an unproven backup. Dipietro, with his stalled development, wasn't at the point where he could be trusted to play NHL games if needed. It's no surprise that management wanted an experienced #3 goalie. We've certainly had an experienced #3 goalie down in the AHL alongside our goalie prospect for years (e.g. Demko had Bachman). Martin was orginally brought in to platoon with Dipietro.

Just wanted to make a topical note that shortly after the DiPietro trade, esteemed finger-on-the-goalie-pulse poster VanJack believed that Martin's small sample size was enough that you'd "have to consider it" if another team came looking for Demko.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

 

[F A N]

So he goes by Paty?

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

So he goes by Paty?

It would appear so.

Nice enough mask - I feel a lot of masks these days lack the character and uniqueness that we saw in the 90s/early 00s, though.

 

[Jyrki21]

It would appear so.

Nice enough mask - I feel a lot of masks these days lack the character and uniqueness that we saw in the 90s/early 00s, though.

He is getting rightfully roasted for the use of a super-generic font (Arial or Helvetica, it's tough to tell). But then the team itself has chosen for some reason to base its identity around an ever-so-slightly-modified Agency FB, so...

 

[F A N]

It would appear so.

Nice enough mask - I feel a lot of masks these days lack the character and uniqueness that we saw in the 90s/early 00s, though.

I recall Schneider having some nice masks. Markstrom has some pretty cool/interesting (albeit sometimes ugly) masks.

 

[Hit the post]

Any relation to the NFL head coach "Jack Patera" / this brother WWE wrestler/Olympic Athlete "Ken Patera"?

 

[F A N]

Any relation to the NFL head coach "Jack Patera" / this brother WWE wrestler/Olympic Athlete "Ken Patera"?

Probably not. Jiri was born in Prague and grew up in the Czech Republic. Jack and Ken were US-born Americans?

Could he be the son of Pavel Patera?