Rumor: Canucks: Should I stay or should I go? Pete stays and Miller goes!

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Nikishin, 1st and ?
That's hilarious on Nikishin. He's probably a top 5 player not in the NHL. He's not getting traded for Miller. Maybe for EP (but he's not leaving Van) But for real, Canes won't be taking on Miller unless some $$$ is moved out. Isn't the word that Van wants a Center back?

KK or Drury, Morrow (Canes top RHD prospect) another mid level prospect and a 1st. Vancouver seemingly has asked for Laf / Schneider and it didn't get anywhere. Some Jersey fans are ready to give up Nemec. Not sure Canes will actually ante up for what JR/Allvin are asking.
 
The segment on 32 thoughts was like almost 15 minutes long, it’s hard to just summarize it, just go give it a listen
 
That's hilarious on Nikishin. He's probably a top 5 player not in the NHL. He's not getting traded for Miller. Maybe for EP (but he's not leaving Van) But for real, Canes won't be taking on Miller unless some $$$ is moved out. Isn't the word that Van wants a Center back?

KK or Drury, Morrow (Canes top RHD prospect) another mid level prospect and a 1st. Vancouver seemingly has asked for Laf / Schneider and it didn't get anywhere. Some Jersey fans are ready to give up Nemec. Not sure Canes will actually ante up for what JR/Allvin are asking.
CAR has 1.5M in cap space with Fast on perma-LTIR, so they would need to clear 6.5M to take on Miller. As (presumably) a 2C, he takes Drury(1.725M)'s spot in the lineup, and Kotkaniemi (4.82M) is the other obvious subtraction to make it all work on their side. They can't afford to deal any of their roster Dmen or goalies, so off the roster for cap purposes, that'd have to be it.

So, Drury + KK for cap, + Morrow and probably a 1st+ for Miller's value and taking on KK, which as I mentioned above, would leave VAN probably needing to package Drury and the 1st+ for another C. KK is an ok risk to take, they can buy him out for an $825k cap hit any time over the next 3 seasons.

CAR's lines after the deal (estimated):

Svech-Aho-Jarvis
Roslovic-Miller-Necas
Martinook-Staal-Blake
Carrier-Jost-Robinson

[same D and G]

VAN's lines after this deal (estimated, balanced scoring), and, say - Drury/Desharnais/1st+ to NSH for O'Reilly/Schenn (edit: forgot to add KK):

Debrusk-EP-Sherwood
Suter-O'Reilly-Boeser
Joshua-Blueger-Garland
Heinen-Kotkaniemi-Hog

Hughes-Hronek
Soucy-Myers
Forbort-Schenn

Demko/Lankinen


It's an interesting idea, no doubt...
 
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KK, Drury (to match the cap space), Morrow, '25 1st (considering the KK contract?), then VAN uses 1st + Drury to acquire a C/D?
Why would VAN do this when they could just make 1 trade and get a C included… why couldn’t CAR trade the 1st+Drury for a C then trade that C + to VAN
 
I'm really surprised how public this is and how long it's been going.
Canadian media ;).

Remember Phil kessel? He wasn’t ripped as badly. But he got it pretty bad.

Dion Phaneuf? He was decent but the media destroyed him. He would have been great if he was their 3rd or fourth best defender but instead he was their best defenceman.
 
The segment on 32 thoughts was like almost 15 minutes long, it’s hard to just summarize it, just go give it a listen
Tried my best:

Timeline

Thursday
: After the Kings game it had everything to do with overall frustration and not the feud of two players. Canucks had made a real effort to get it done.

Had heard JT had asked for a trade, but that was denied to him. Everyone knows whats going on and trying to get resolved, but a specific trade request was denied.

Friday: looked like it was close and Miller was told it was close.

Saturday morning: Friedman was told to check in on it. Something happened. Doesn't know when it was(Friday night or Saturday morning), but after morning skate there was no inclination Miller wouldn't play.

Friedman waited all day and it didn't change. Has theories, but doesn't have enough proof.

What happened?

Doesn't think Miller vetoed it.

Anytime a team goes to a player or agent they think it's close. Several people told Friedman was close.

Doesn't think it was Zibanejad vetoing it. This was talked about awhile back between the teams and doesn't believe it interests the Canucks.

Doesn't think it's Schneider. Canucks have asked several times and can't get him.

Could always be wrong, but doesn't believe it's Lafreniere.

Can't say if talks with Rangers are completely dead, but as of when they recorded(Sunday night) there was nothing imimminent.


Segway to the tampering thing:

On Tuesday the Canucks sent out the warning to teams about tampering because they believed someone on their team was being talked to by a team. Doesn't know if it was Miller or someone else.

Back to Miller

Only some teams who reasonably were felt JT would go to were given permission. Rangers included amongst them.

Talks about the Devils and how it would require surgery. Thus not convinced there. The Rangers can do it without roster surgery.

Not convinced of Dallas, either. Thinks there's someone we're all missing.

Wonders about Carolina
 
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Why would VAN do this when they could just make 1 trade and get a C included… why couldn’t CAR trade the 1st+Drury for a C then trade that C + to VAN
I guess it could be done that way, rather than the way I said. For example:

To CAR: O'Reilly + Schenn
To NSH: Kotkaniemi, Drury, Morrow, '25 1st

Then:

To CAR: Miller
To VAN: O'Reilly, Kotkaniemi, Schenn, Morrow, small +

:dunno:
 
100%. The GMs that aren't cowards are all doing great.

This. I was hoping Zito’s aggressiveness with the Panthers would spark some passion in GMs to not just sit around, tank and pray, but the problem is that this futility is also now expected and also understood by the fans.

The fans accepting the bottoming out and still paying for tickets is even worse.
 

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