Diogenes92
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Its funny because all of the Canucks best players are 1st round and 2nd round picks
Rumor: Canucks Now Looking to Add Mid 20s Impact Forward
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Fatass
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Aren’t most club’s best players first and second round picks, whether their own or traded for?Its funny because all of the Canucks best players are 1st round and 2nd round picks
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Any talk of Willander ends immediately. He'll be on his 3 year ELC playing beside Hughes or Pettersson immediately and the value cannot be matched. It's always risky to make these assumptions but he is so polished and excels in so many areas, I just don't see him missing.
I see the Canucks going for guys that might be overpaid and need a change of scenery rather than packaging players like Lekkerimaki or Willander seeing as those two are likely to make an impact at an incredibly low cap cost as soon as next season.
With that said, they're probably more likely to give up Lekkerimaki if they get a cost controlled 24-28 year old top 6 C/W from a rebuilding team that is accumulating young players.
Cozens, Tippett, Crouse, Novak, and a guy like Zetterlund could be reasonable targets. Norris may have been a candidate but why would Ottawa trade him right now? Zegras would get eaten alive by Tocchet.
I see the Canucks going for guys that might be overpaid and need a change of scenery rather than packaging players like Lekkerimaki or Willander seeing as those two are likely to make an impact at an incredibly low cap cost as soon as next season.
With that said, they're probably more likely to give up Lekkerimaki if they get a cost controlled 24-28 year old top 6 C/W from a rebuilding team that is accumulating young players.
Cozens, Tippett, Crouse, Novak, and a guy like Zetterlund could be reasonable targets. Norris may have been a candidate but why would Ottawa trade him right now? Zegras would get eaten alive by Tocchet.
Jonathan Lekkerimaki is a similar undersized skilled RW…and he has 14 goals in 24 games in his first AHL season, and is a year younger than Rosen.
Lekkerimaki’s GPG (0.58) is higher than Rosen’s was in his rookie season (0.21 GPG), sophomore season (0.3 GPG) and tied with Rosen’s GPG this season…
At worst Lekkerimaki is on par with Rosen as a prospect.
Taking nothing away from Rosen, but we don’t need another somewhat undersized one dimensional winger right now. That doesn’t move the needle for us.
I honestly think that’s a good offer in real world terms for Barzal.
A 1st that could potentially be high. Lekkermaki is a top end prospect. Hoglander is young with upside still, but even if he is just a 3rd liner, whatever. Garland is a top 6 forward in his prime, signed for one more year after this one, I bet you get a 1st for him if you want to move him, or a 2nd and 4th or something like that.
When you break it down, it’s really not bad. As a Canuck fan I don’t know if I’d do that…
Fatass
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Allvin/Rutherford wanted a legit top four D and used the assets from their Miler trade to accomplish that end. They previously did the same with the Hronek add using the Horvat trade assets.
Maybe Buffalo needs to get picks/prospects for their trade targets (Cozens, Byram) and then use those assets to get the nhl players they want?
As Canucks fans we've been in trade negotiations for Horvat, Miller, Petey, and Miller again over the last few yrs. We have a decent idea of what a top center can return in a trade. But ya Barzal has added value because of contract. This is a lot to give but I'd do it. We are going to be in tough trying to get a 2c now. I'd happily trade our 1st, Lek + for a good young one.
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Pettersson for Luka Doncic
Probably a better return than what the Mavs actually got.
Probably a better return than what the Mavs actually got.
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Diogenes92
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Most likely. I was referring to Hughes/Boeser/Pettersson/Demko. Their entire core is high picks, which this team constantly trades away to take shortcuts instead of hoarding them.
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Issue comes down to fit for the Isles. The pieces replacing Barzal won’t fill what the Isles are moving. Sure on paper the Isles get a 2nd line winger and Hoglander plus the pick that’s a mystery and Lekkerimaki but I’d rather have Barzal and what he brings. Puck possession alone is among the top in the league. They need another Barzal on the roster if anything, not one less and filler pieces. Ideally adding in a Garland and removing Pageau/Palmieri/Lee, helps them on the wing down the line, not removing them all and Barzal to only offset it with Connor Garland in the top 6. You can push a young 3rd liner in Hoglander but he’s just that, a young undersized Hoglander. The Islanders currently have Simon Holmstrom who fits that 3rd line spot perfectly and it’s a decent penalty killer with a lethal shot.
Canucks should target Barzel out of New York.
To Vancouver: Barzel, 2026 3rd, 2027 3rd
To NYIslanders: Brock Boeser, Romanov, Kunz, 2026 5th
To Vancouver: Barzel, 2026 3rd, 2027 3rd
To NYIslanders: Brock Boeser, Romanov, Kunz, 2026 5th
miscs75
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First, this is terrible for the Isles and 2nd the bolded is already with the Isles.
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Mid 20s not mid 30s
Meh.. I don't think he has 1C upside. I would even be surprised with 2C because I think he will ultimately be a winger.
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With the Isle's play of late, do we realistically expect them to be selling off? I mean, maybe if they fallout before the deadline. Although, I'm not pretending to have the faintest clue what that team's situation is.
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You realize development isn’t linear right? Rosen came over early because he was being screwed by his team in Finland and actually need to stay there probably for another year so it’s not one-to-one comp comparison. Also, we’re going to talk about small sample sizes, Rosen has nine goals in his last seven games.
The fact is is that lekkerimaki was that much more highly touted prospect than Rosen initially and so if we’re equivalating them, that is a great development for Buffalo. If you wanna keep Wallander, that’s totally fine but I would just be careful of the “ we already have the same guy” mentality when it comes to prospects. In reality, you need multiple iterations of the same guy because at least half don’t ever come through.
I would also say that Rosen actually has a fairly robust defensive game relative to other prospects in Buffalo previously, so I’m not sure where the one dimensional, is coming from?
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? Josh Norris is an injury prone 50 point forward making 8m per.
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My question is what is Cozen's realistic value? 7.1m for a guy who has issues stayong at Center and putting up 50 pts a season now. He could be a perennial 70 pt center, but will he hit it? I've read that his defensive game isn't great either.
Man this thread is basically about Willander and honestly I have never seen a more unremarkable prospect in my life. He’s not ever taking Hughes off of PP, he’s not physical, he’s not a Slavin level defender, his skating is maybe above average a dman like Pellika blows his skating out of water. I see zero upside with this guy. Maybe like a Travis Dermott
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Yeah. Cozens is certainly one of the first targets that comes to mind, but trying to figure out the framework for that sort of deal is tough...because realistically, Buffalo are probably wanting to get off that "rebuild treadmill" of just cashing out young NHL talent for more picks/prospects/futures. They're essentially looking for more "mid-20s impact players" themselves. So a Cozens trade from there end, probably looks more like a swap for a different similar aged young NHL player.
I do think potentially moving Boeser (and potentially Demko) and bundling that in with some other things to flip for that "mid-20s impact forward" seems a likely avenue to making things happen. It's certainly the way Ruthervin have operated in the past, to give themselves more flexibility or "liquid capital" to go out and get their target.
To me, Barzal with the Isles feels like a situation that might work that way. Isles might actually be willing to go with "futures" and unloading Barzal's cap to start to rejig a roster that is awfully tight to the cap and aging, with an impending megadeal to get done with Dobson probably.
McTavish rumors out of Anaheim also might fit the bill. He's not a Verbeek pick, and seems to have stagnated/regressed a bit (though who under that coaching staff hasn't?). I kind of wonder about Troy Terry there as well though. He'd be a really interesting add who would probably be dynamite with Pettersson if Verbeek isn't too attached to him.
Owen Tippett out of Philly is another one that might make some sense. Fits more of a Jim Benning type profile as a player, but i could certainly see Ruthervin also wanting to pivot toward a bigger, faster team up front. Guys who can carry the puck like that through the neutral zone and create those counterattacking chances off the rush are pretty useful in the whole, "off the glass and out" style breakout system that a majority of the Canucks towering defencemen use. A lack of that capability is the biggest issue with Boeser, and where i think their hesitance to pay him comes from.
Another sort of off the radar guy is Matias Maccelli in Utah, where it seems like he's fallen a bit weirdly out of favour and not having the sort of year he did previously. Not sure he fully fits the profile of what they likely want to add with size, but he's shown he's capable of being a phenomenal playmaker and "impact forward". Not sure Utah has much interest in futures for him though, which is largely what they have to offer (aside from Boeser).
It's just tough to see a lot else out there...because pretty much everyone is looking for mid-20s impact forwards. And the Canucks don't necessarily have a lot of assets to play with. Willander has to be pretty much off the table unless it's a bona fide star coming back. So it's basically...Lekkerimaki, 1st Round Picks as premium pieces...and then there's kind of a gap down to all the various sort of "B or C prospects" they have collected.
