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[CanuckPirate]

I just see high end players getting off loser teams chasing low tax/competitive teams. Is there any difference between this and Larkin (US on a US team) and Marner (Canadian on a Canadian team).

Hellybuk is bailing on a washed up Jets.



Nobody wants to be ing garbage teams, let alone bad teams in cold climates.

But the sens weren't a garbage team? They made the playoffs last year. Neither were the flames when Matthew Tkachuk forced his way out.

 

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[Mike Pecarino]

i wish Vancouver fans would stop trying to blow all are remaining assets for 2026 draft picks

this draft sucks donkey dick

stop it

Yup, it’s really a bad class, IMO.

 

[northwestrncomfort]

Yup, it’s really a bad class, IMO.

What if the Sens offered that haul for Petey though

 

[Nucker42]

Fact is, draft is not believed to be strong after the first 10 or so.

Also, with such a weak UFA group we could see more massive deals than we’ve seen in a very long time.

Makie, Raddysh, Tkachuk…think we will see some more massive trades leading up to the draft.

Captain obvious but I think DeBrusk goes for a late 1st or maybe a 2nd and 3rd type deal.

I also think we could see a surprise deal. Maybe a Lankinen or Demko?

Demko for a conditional 1st? If he plays 25 games it’s a 1st. Less than 25 it’s a 2nd?

They really need to create some roster spots. Mancini doesn’t have a spot. Are Raty and Hoglander a part of the future?

I will say as I ramble that I’m very hesitant to move EP40 unless they’ve identified him as a culture problem. How can you bring in guys like Cootes and or Malhotra without any kind of insulation.

 

[dellzor]

Yup, it’s really a bad class, IMO.

This is said every year and I disagree.

2017 for example was considered "weak" and "bad" but that draft ended up having

Petey, Makar, Robertson, Hischier, Suzuki, Thomas, Nceas, Batherson, Heiskanen

2012 was also considered "weak" prior to the draft and that draft even ended up with

Forsberg, Hertl, Teravainen, Rielly, Gostisbehere, Wilson, Stephenson, Trouba, Galchenyuk before he fell off a cliff, Lindholm, Parayko, Slavin, Matheson, etc

2022 was another example of the class being considered weak prior to the draft and it ended up with

Slafkovsky, Cooley, Hutson, Gauthier, Minten, Savoie, Yurov, Snuggerud, Wright, Nazar


Canucks should most definitely be trading veterans for picks and teams would not deal away their '27 1sts anyways. Every draft you can find a gem in the draft and having more picks allows you to do that.

DeBrusk can most definitely get a late 1st in a "weak draft" and can possibly find a good prospect.

 

[mriswith]

Not that liquid considering they got 5 days before they have to use them.

His list was Vegas, Florida, Carolina and Minnesota.

Yeah that's a brutal list and increases my opinion that this was as good a deal as they were going to get for him. 9th overall is the best asset any of those teams have that could have reasonably been available.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

I don't wanna get my hopes up, even after all of this, i don't see us getting a 1st for debrusk, unless theres more to the deal.

Maybe they’ll get a first for him in this weak ass draft. Firsts should be holding less value this year.

 

[LemonSauceD]

This is said every year and I disagree.

2017 for example was considered "weak" and "bad" but that draft ended up having

Petey, Makar, Robertson, Hischier, Suzuki, Thomas, Nceas, Batherson, Heiskanen

2012 was also considered "weak" prior to the draft and that draft even ended up with

Forsberg, Hertl, Teravainen, Rielly, Gostisbehere, Wilson, Stephenson, Trouba, Galchenyuk before he fell off a cliff, Lindholm, Parayko, Slavin, Matheson, etc

2022 was another example of the class being considered weak prior to the draft and it ended up with

Slafkovsky, Cooley, Hutson, Gauthier, Minten, Savoie, Yurov, Snuggerud, Wright, Nazar


Canucks should most definitely be trading veterans for picks and teams would not deal away their '27 1sts anyways. Every draft you can find a gem in the draft and having more picks allows you to do that.

DeBrusk can most definitely get a late 1st in a "weak draft" and can possibly find a good prospect.

To be fair, 2012 did end up being an incredibly weak draft. Most those guys were outside the 1st round.

 

[thecupismine]

The issue is the only guys on the market worth the 9th overall pick are American players who are unlikely to want to sign/be traded there. The 25th pick I imagine is as good as gone.

Also anyone saying weak draft is delusional. Even Pronman, who called it weak, came out later in a Q&A on Reddit and said that every draft he's ever covered is about the same from 16 onwards, and that he's generally talking about the top of the class & the depth in the lottery range when talking about strength.

Edit: Fun fact, Drance thinks the return for Brady is better than the return for Hughes The man loves the concept of a draft pick more than the pick itself, it's hilarious.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I know everyone wants to get excited for stealing Ottawa's new picks, but EP40 has a full NMC. I can't see any scenario where he waives it for the Sens.

What I am curious about is whether Montreal moves into the conversation now. They need a center and their options are running out.

 

[David71]

Are American Born Players becoming the new Russian stereotype of “Do Not Draft” for Canadian based teams, as some Russians have had a tendency of staying in Russia or jumping ship to play back home when things go bad?
For example: Adam Fox, Quinn Hughes, Matthew and Brady Tkachuk etc.

 

[David71]

I know everyone wants to get excited for stealing Ottawa's new picks, but EP40 has a full NMC. I can't see any scenario where he waives it for the Sens.

if not the senators another team will glady scoop him up. but with rentention of course but vancouver doesnt want to do that. they've already used 1 slot on oel, the other on mikheyev? which expires this season.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

if not the senators another team will glady scoop him up. but with rentention of course but vancouver doesnt want to do that. they've already used 1 slot on oel, the other on mikheyev? which expires this season.

Both Pagnotta and LeBrun have said management is open to some retention. I think they've finally realized nobody was touching Pettersson at 11.6M without sending boat anchor deals back.

I just edited that post to add I think Montreal could be a target. If there's one team that has prospects to burn, it's the Habs.

 

[David71]

Both Pagnotta and LeBrun have said management is open to some retention. I think they've finally realized nobody was touching Pettersson at 11.6M without sending boat anchor deals back.

I just edited that post to add I think Montreal could be a target. If there's one team that has prospects to burn, it's the Habs.

habs/redwings/kings? just to name a few

 

[me2]

But the sens weren't a garbage team? They made the playoffs last year. Neither were the flames when Matthew Tkachuk forced his way out.

Flames also had Gaudreau leave as a UFA which played into their decline.The problem with the Mathew Tkachuk example is he didn't demand out, he was prepared to finish his contract (edit for clarity: RFA looking at 1 year arbitration deal) in Calgary. He told them he was not going to re-sign as a UFA. It was his right as a UFA to go were he wanted just like Gaudreau and any other UFA.

It sucks but isn't the same as demanding out halfway through a contract.

 

[DFAC]

Are American Born Players becoming the new Russian stereotype of “Do Not Draft” for Canadian based teams, as some Russians have had a tendency of staying in Russia or jumping ship to play back home when things go bad?
For example: Adam Fox, Quinn Hughes, Matthew and Brady Tkachuk etc.

100%. Don't forget Gaudreau too (RIP).

 

[Icebreakers]

Flames also had Gaudreau leave as a UFA which played into their decline.The problem with the Mathew Tkachuk example is he didn't demand out, he was prepared to finish his contract in Calgary. He told them he was not going to re-sign as a UFA. It was his right as a UFA to go were he wanted just like Gaudreau and any other UFA.

It sucks but isn't the same as demanding out halfway through a contract.

Tkatchuk was an RFA when he was traded. He had no contract. He likely told them he was going to bolt straight to UFA if given the chance, and he was one season away from UFA status. He woulda have just signed a 1 year deal and left, so no he was out of there. They wouldnt have traded a 100 + point 24 year old winger if he didnt ask to leave. They had just won their division too (with 111 points), so even winning couldnt have solved that.

If you are 1-2 years away from UFA status and you signal to the team you dont want to re-sign after that contract is over that is the exact same thing to me as asking to leave. You cannot actually not honor your contract or you wont get paid (no one is going to do that).

As soon as you arent willing to negotiate a new deal, you are gone (team has to maximize value, and its a distraction).

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Yeah that's a brutal list and increases my opinion that this was as good a deal as they were going to get for him. 9th overall is the best asset any of those teams have that could have reasonably been available.

Where is the blue chip asset though is the issue. There's a ton of quantity, not a lot of quality.

They got the 9th pick, the 25th pick, but who are they going to move those for? You have Tim Stutzle + Jake Sanderson as your #1C/#1D - you're trying to supplement these players. They are in their prime right now, how does picking #9/#25 help them? Like picking Belchetz/Gustafsson doesn't move the needle - they likely need a few years.

You need to acquire a needle mover when you're giving up a franchise player type of asset. Like when we moved Quinn, we got Zeev Buium - you need to be getting someone like that unless you already have another move lined up. Acquiring Jason Robertson for those picks would flip my opinion on it, but if this was it and there's no further moves to this, then it's a disaster to not be walking away with a blue chip asset. If you're Ottawa, you needed to get a Lundell, a Dorofeyev, a Nikishin.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

If Ottawa strikes out on Robertson, I’d wager they go after Lafrenière.

 

[me2]

Tkatchuk was an RFA when he was traded. He had no contract. He likely was told them he was going to bolt straight to UFA if given the chance, and he was one season away from UFA status. He woulda have just signed a 1 year deal and left, so no he was out of there. They wouldnt have traded a 100 + point 24 year old winger if he didnt ask to leave. They had just won their division too (with 111 points), so even winning couldnt have solved that.

He would get 1 year contract at arbitration (flames initiated) or offersheet, run the clock down and leave. Calgary did what they had to do. Tkachuk played hardball but i think it was fair play. Different from guys forcing their way out with 4 or 5 years left on their deals. Line you said he didn't even have a deal.

 

[Icebreakers]

Whats with all the shitty american captains?


Hughes
Tkachuk
Larkin
Wheeler
Matthews
Miller

 

[Buium2Rossi]

He was established. Hroneks never played a single season under 21 minutes in his entire career after his rookie year , and his PPG numbers in detroit are the same as it is now. He was on some atrocious teams in DET in his early years like he is now in Vancouver.

Whats the upside on Samoskevich? a 50 point undersided winger? is that worth the picks?

I mean, so detroit sucked with Hronek playing 20+ minutes a night. The Canucks sucked with Hronek playing 20 minutes a night.. maybe Hronek is a top 2nd pair dman on a competitive team?

 

[mriswith]

Where is the blue chip asset though is the issue. There's a ton of quantity, not a lot of quality.

They got the 9th pick, the 25th pick, but who are they going to move those for? You have Tim Stutzle + Jake Sanderson as your #1C/#1D - you're trying to supplement these players. They are in their prime right now, how does picking #9/#25 help them? Like picking Belchetz/Gustafsson doesn't move the needle - they likely need a few years.

You need to acquire a needle mover when you're giving up a franchise player type of asset. Like when we moved Quinn, we got Zeev Buium - you need to be getting someone like that unless you already have another move lined up. Acquiring Jason Robertson for those picks would flip my opinion on it, but if this was it and there's no further moves to this, then it's a disaster to not be walking away with a blue chip asset. If you're Ottawa, you needed to get a Lundell, a Dorofeyev, a Nikishin.

There's no chance those 3 pieces are available though.

There's 2 separate aspects to the trade as far as I'm concerned.

One is that Ottawa got brutalized by this trade request and every Canadian team is now on notice, if they weren't before, about the behaviour of the Americans. They are a worse team and it will be extremely difficult to salvage this situation.

Two is that they made the best of a bad situation. The other teams on his list didn't have anything better that could reasonably have been made available. Ottawa had no other option - say they decided instead to hold on to the disgruntled captain and throw away next season to force him to open up his list, all he has to do is leak that he's going to ufa if it isn't his preferred destination and his value completely tanks, plus it's a lost season for nothing.

9th doesn't do anything for them right now but they will be able to flip the pick for something and I expect them to choose this option. If they use the pick I still expect their selection to be trade bait for the foreseeable future.

 

[Brock Boeser Laser Show]

Whats with all the shitty american captains?


Hughes
Tkachuk
Larkin
Wheeler
Matthews
Miller

A lot of them shouldn't have been named captain in the first place.

Teams need to do a better job of picking who gets a letter. It should be a priviledge reserved for the players that show devotion to the team and city. Need more Trevor Linden or Jerome Iginla and less of these punks.