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[theagelessstranger]

I would assume the trade would come with a long term deal.

that doesn't seem to be the basis for the conversation at hand.

 

[I am toxic]

Hanging on to Pettersson is probably the best coarse to take with him. Unless they really don’t like his lingering presence soiling what the new management wants to do here - improving “the culture”. Wasn’t it the Sedins who said “Pettersson is in uncoachable”? Regardless it might be the elephant in the room they will have to navigate around, for now.

you're forgetting that it was said twice

in stereo

 

[ExarKun80]

Just clean house and start new. No Benning drafted player should remain on the team.

 

[Vector]

Posted earlier but I'm also including them talking about Marcus Pettersson in another segment.

Elias Pettersson

• Every time Shah has checked in on him, he’s been told a trade doesn’t seem realistic because teams are looking to acquire him for cheap, or the Canucks to retain a large amount, or for the Canucks to take on multiple bad contracts
• Sense is that he’s probably not getting traded
• Teams are calling but aren’t willing to make a decent offer for him

Marcus Pettersson

• Would be surprised if he gets traded
• The value for him is probably higher than we think

 

[Canucker]

Posted earlier but I'm also including them talking about Marcus Pettersson in another segment.

Elias Pettersson

• Every time Shah has checked in on him, he’s been told a trade doesn’t seem realistic because teams are looking to acquire him for cheap, or the Canucks to retain a large amount, or for the Canucks to take on multiple bad contracts
• Sense is that he’s probably not getting traded
• Teams are calling but aren’t willing to make a decent offer for him

Marcus Pettersson

• Would be surprised if he gets traded
• The value for him is probably higher than we think

If I was a GM looking to find a center I'd be trying to lowball the Canucks too...its a potential career ending trade for a GM, to end up paying too much to take on that salary and then still can't get Pettersson to perform.

 

[Mike Pecarino]

What’s the likely hood the 24th OA becomes an actual player for the Vancouver Canucks?

Not Washington. Not Anaheim. For Vancouver.

Getting a 25 year old top 4 Dman to play on the roster and use as a trade chip in the future for a higher OA pick or a prospect that’s been developed is better than

I’m just as guilty at looking at draft picks and fantasizing that the player in the 24OA will reach their potential and he contributes but we are Vancouver fans. It’s almost 90% chance of that never happening.

The reality of this being true is confirmed once you look at the history of the draft year by year seeing just how low the percentages of hitting on a “good” player are at these levels. Which is why I’m all in on piggybacking this asset on top of another to either move up in the draft like Buffalo did, trade it for young player/prospect or god forbid use it to get rid of a shitty contract (Pettersson) without money retained. In a perfect world.

But hey, sometimes you hit on a Pastrnak or a Wyatt Johnston in the 20’s… sometimes that is. Not a common occurrence.

 

[Vector]

Trade Plans

• Bigger fireworks are expect and may come later this month
• Are willing to take calls on multiple players

Jake DeBrusk

• No secret that he wants no part of a rebuild and is open to a trade
• Canucks have received calls about him; talks are expected to intensify leading up to the draft
• Senatprs, Kraken, Jets, and Blue Jackets have interest

Elias Pettersson

• Growing belief that the Canucks stance on retaining has softened
• Sedins want to work with him to get him back on track
• No trade is imminent

Manny Malhotra

• Is being paid $1.5m CAD rather than USD

Edmonton Oilers

• Jack Roslovic and Adam Henrique will become free agents

Los Angeles Kings

• Patrik Laine would have interest in playing there and the Kings had discussed acquiring him from the Canadiens
• Looking to extend Drew Doughty

Buffalo Sabres

• Trade talk has increased around Bowen Byram; he is looking for over $10m AAV on his next contract

Seattle Kraken

• Want to re-sign Bobby McMann; he could get around $6m AAV

Darnell Nurse

• Penguins are his destination of choice; Oilers have discussed a trade with them
• No rush but some believe a trade would happen around the draft

 

[VanillaCoke]

Sat shah and bik nazzar don't know shit, atleast pagnotta is above the eklund tier.


Also time to get over the PTSD, byram and barzal are not being acquired by RJ and the twins, and aqua ain't paying em starting a rebuild.

 

[Mike Pecarino]

“Canucks listening on…….”

Meaning

Nothing will come out of it.

 

[theagelessstranger]

it's going to take desperation for a team to acquire #40, some kind of pressure point. an injury or two down the middle, a gm on the hot seat to make it into the playoffs, a team desperate to make some improvement up the standings, something that forces their hand to make a trade they wouldn't otherwise if their back wasn't against the wall.

 

[Vector]

Elias Pettersson

• The trade talk is real; are looking to offload his contract
• The Blue are “sniffing around Pettersson”
• If the Canucks think they have a deal for him, they will then approach Pettersson to see if he will waive
• Teams are desperate for centres and think they can turn him back into a PPG player

Ownership Costs

• Are hearing that the Canucks are not looking to take a big contract back; ownership wants to spend less
• Ownership was sold on a rebuild by being told that they will be spending less on player salary

 

[Mike Pecarino]

it's going to take desperation for a team to acquire #40, some kind of pressure point. an injury or two down the middle, a gm on the hot seat to make it into the playoffs, a team desperate to make some improvement up the standings, something that forces their hand to make a trade they wouldn't otherwise if their back wasn't against the wall.

Bang on

 

[credulous]

Ownership Costs

• Are hearing that the Canucks are not looking to take a big contract back; ownership wants to spend less
• Ownership was sold on a rebuild by being told that they will be spending less on player salary

it really sucks canuck's ownership look at the team as a revenue generating asset rather than a passion or at least a long term investment. i don't have much faith in the canucks being a world class org until that changes

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Classic negotiations in EP40 talks.

Teams calls and asks to get him for a song.

Nucks tell them to f*** off, their mother was the village bicycle and doubt they know who their real father is and to come back when they out their “big boy” pants on.

Nothing happens for weeks.

Then either a team panics after July 1 and comes back to properly negotiate.

Or EP40 stays with Van for the start of the season.

 

[MS]

Ownership Costs

• Are hearing that the Canucks are not looking to take a big contract back; ownership wants to spend less
• Ownership was sold on a rebuild by being told that they will be spending less on player salary

This is so weird to me and makes no sense.

We're below the cap floor right now with no important RFAs to sign.

If we trade EP40 we'll pretty much HAVE to take a bad contract of some sort back just to get to the cap floor. And that's even before getting into dumping Debrusk and potentially others.

Like, subtract EP40 and Debrusk and we're at $59 million committed for next year. Cap floor is $77 million.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

This is so weird to me and makes no sense.

We're below the cap floor right now with no important RFAs to sign.

If we trade EP40 we'll pretty much HAVE to take a bad contract of some sort back just to get to the cap floor. And that's even before getting into dumping Debrusk and potentially others.

Like, subtract EP40 and Debrusk and we're at $59 million committed for next year. Cap floor is $77 million.

I wonder if the spending issue is less to do with annual spend, and more about spending over the term. (ie - Canucks might be willing to take on some short term, high value contracts (Gallagher for example), if they can dispose of long term, high value contracts (Petey, Boeser, DeBrusk, etc.) As they would be giving out less money overall.

 

[Vector]

I wonder if the spending issue is less to do with annual spend, and more about spending over the term. (ie - Canucks might be willing to take on some short term, high value contracts (Gallagher for example), if they can dispose of long term, high value contracts (Petey, Boeser, DeBrusk, etc.) As they would be giving out less money overall.

That is what is being implied, yes. Also looking for high AAV but low dollar value contracts. Like taking on Pietrangelo, for example.

 

[theagelessstranger]

This is so weird to me and makes no sense.

We're below the cap floor right now with no important RFAs to sign.

If we trade EP40 we'll pretty much HAVE to take a bad contract of some sort back just to get to the cap floor. And that's even before getting into dumping Debrusk and potentially others.

Like, subtract EP40 and Debrusk and we're at $59 million committed for next year. Cap floor is $77 million.

dhaliwal doing dhaliwal things.

 

[MS]

I wonder if the spending issue is less to do with annual spend, and more about spending over the term. (ie - Canucks might be willing to take on some short term, high value contracts (Gallagher for example), if they can dispose of long term, high value contracts (Petey, Boeser, DeBrusk, etc.) As they would be giving out less money overall.

Absolutely but none of the teams rumoured to be interested in Pettersson have 5-year albatross contracts they'd be giving us.

I've mentioned Pittsburgh and Ryan Graves before as a pretty obvious example of a way to take a bad (but frontloaded) contract that will essentially get Pittsburgh's AAV on Pettersson to $9 million for the term of his contract but won't muck up our finances in the years from 2029-2032 that retaining on Pettersson would. And we get a tank commander in Graves and whatever.

Prioritizing getting a 4th rounder for taking the Gallagher stinker contract over leveraging cap space to get a good return on EP40 would be disastrous planning.

 

[pitseleh]

It really feels like they are prepping the team for a sale. Used to be the norm for teams to cut down on expenses and long-term commitments before doing so. With valuations going the way they are that has become less common but with how bad this team has been for so long I wonder if they feel like they need to (particularly if they are bringing in a minority shareholder).

 

[Bleach Clean]

Nothing says patient multi-year rebuild like trading for Byram and Barzal in the first offseason of said rebuild.

Byram yes, Barzal no.

The Barzal trade is a lateral move (on talent) to get Pettersson moved along. It gives NYI someone they want, and may value, for someone they want to move. Then you can move Barzal afterward.

VAN can't get high end value for Pettersson right now. With this intermediate step, they may be able to obfuscate his value in a player for player swap, to then sell for the futures they covet.

In the end, it's still about tearing things down to the studs [paraphrasing LeBrun], eventually.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Cheap owners being cheap owners.

Shocking.

"Rebuild"

 

[AquiliniHurtsMySoul]

I think EP40 is 100% gone by the draft at this rate.

Question is, do we get anything remotely of value in return?

 

[AquiliniHurtsMySoul]

Manny getting paid in CAD is hilarious.

f***ing Aquilinis

 

[krutovsdonut]

This is so weird to me and makes no sense.

We're below the cap floor right now with no important RFAs to sign.

If we trade EP40 we'll pretty much HAVE to take a bad contract of some sort back just to get to the cap floor. And that's even before getting into dumping Debrusk and potentially others.

Like, subtract EP40 and Debrusk and we're at $59 million committed for next year. Cap floor is $77 million.

agreed. i am sure in general they want to walk the cap floor line, but they are way to close to the cap floor to be fussing about salaries back on an ep40 trade. if they don't take one they'll have to take one from somewhere else to move ep.