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[Nuckles]

Ya, but that's just because the player signs a bad second contract. They can just take their QO and sign a one year contract making their combined three year income higher than if they didn't burn a year and were just on an ELC.

My gut feeling is that after two years in the NHL, Wilander will do far better with his second contract than his ELC.

He represents 'the future' on the Canucks blueline. And I doubt they'd 'low-ball' him on a second contract unless he does a complete face-plant.

I meant cheaper on his 2nd contract compared to if we didn't burn a year. 2nd contract after 2 full years of ELC vs 3 full years of ELC.

 

[Vector]

 

[Ernie]

Lots of people penciling in Mancini as the 6th guy next year - curious as to why. He’s flashed more skill than I thought he would, but he’s gotten buried in his limited minutes so far.

The main reason he’s seeing ice time is management likes the RH/LH split, which makes it tough for D Petey to get on the ice given how great Forbert has been.

Once Willander is available (this season), I’m pretty sure he’s going to outplay Mancini and take his spot.

Unless he rapidly develops over the summer, best case scenario for the team is he’s the #8 guy/1st call-up next season for the inevitable 20+ games we’ll play with 2+ injuries on the back end. You really don’t want to force him into a spot when those injuries occur that he’s playing 20+ high leverage minutes a night.

He's not really getting buried though.. I'll admit I was a big skeptic after his brutal numbers in NY, but he's treading water so far. He hasn't really been sheltered either.

 

[Ernie]

I'm pretty skeptical that Robinson has any info whatsoever. He basically just contradicted his first tweet with his reply.

 

[thecupismine]

He's not really getting buried though.. I'll admit I was a big skeptic after his brutal numbers in NY, but he's treading water so far. He hasn't really been sheltered either.

Unless I’m missing something in the data, his on ice expected goals % is around 40%? And his CF% isn’t much different.

He’s been much better than I thought by the eye test and has flashed more skill than I expected, but the underlying data hasn’t been pretty. That isn’t to say he has no long term potential either, I just haven’t seen enough from him to justify starting the season as their #6.

D Petey has generally performed way above expectations for me by both the eye test and the underlying metrics, but admittedly has also played sheltered minutes.

 

[rypper]

I get loving the city, but I don't get the appeal for Tocchet to go to Philly. They're far off from even thinking about contending. Sign on for a long rebuild?

It's not like he's done a ton of winning and had playoff success in Vancouver. (Yes he's done well here as a coach but it's not like he's Jon Cooper deciding to go to a rebuilding team.)

 

[pitseleh]

Unless I’m missing something in the data, his on ice expected goals % is around 40%? And his CF% isn’t much different.

He’s been much better than I thought by the eye test and has flashed more skill than I expected, but the underlying data hasn’t been pretty. That isn’t to say he has no long term potential either, I just haven’t seen enough from him to justify starting the season as their #6.

D Petey has generally performed way above expectations for me by both the eye test and the underlying metrics, but admittedly has also played sheltered minutes.

Score adjusted 5v5, Mancini is running a 40% CF% but a 56% xGF since joining the team. In a small sample I’d bet on the CF% being closer to true talent but we will see.

 

[thecupismine]

Score adjusted 5v5, Mancini is running a 40% CF% but a 56% xGF since joining the team. In a small sample I’d bet on the CF% being closer to true talent but we will see.

Ok fair enough, I was misreading the data.

I still stand by needing to see more to commit to him as the starting #6 given the sample size and big variations between the two, but that’s a massive difference from what I first was seeing.

 

[Ernie]

Unless I’m missing something in the data, his on ice expected goals % is around 40%? And his CF% isn’t much different.

He’s been much better than I thought by the eye test and has flashed more skill than I expected, but the underlying data hasn’t been pretty. That isn’t to say he has no long term potential either, I just haven’t seen enough from him to justify starting the season as their #6.

D Petey has generally performed way above expectations for me by both the eye test and the underlying metrics, but admittedly has also played sheltered minutes.

Where are you getting your data? I used NaturalStatTrick and PuckIQ.

Victor Mancini - Summary - Natural Stat Trick

 

[krutovsdonut]

i wouldn't bet anything on a small sample size of a raw rookie. he's looked ok, but not dynamic and i am not seeing upside beyond bottom 6, but i do see a chance he can stick a 6d with his size and raw ability.. d-petey was a much better prospect prior to zary's elbow. now it is closer.

 

[rypper]

Mancini and Junior Pettersson looking good this year is not a reason to not bring back Derek Forbort on the cheap. And don't even mention Sawyer Mynio to me. Can't fill out your depth chart with rookies. Well, you can but it's not advisable.

Bring back the Bort for veteran depth and pk ability, but to mention his knack for scoring highlight worthy game winning goals.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Where are you getting your data? I used NaturalStatTrick and PuckIQ.

Victor Mancini - Summary - Natural Stat Trick

it was pretty brutal during his 15 games with the Rangers but it’s fine now.

 

[David71]

IF and when tocheet leaves. who would you want as the next coach. even though this "core" doesnt deserve another coach, 5th in 5 years or whatever. someone that can bring a bit of offense and defense like alain vignault during his tenure here. go outside the box and look at the swedish league? or recycled coaching carousal.

 

[rypper]

If Tocchet leaves and the team tries to just promote Manny Malhotra from Abby, I'm snapping a car antenna off and chasing JR around the room whipping him in the nuts.

Nothing against Manny but that seems like such a canucks move.

 

[ManVanFan]

IF and when tocheet leaves. who would you want as the next coach. even though this "core" doesnt deserve another coach, 5th in 5 years or whatever. someone that can bring a bit of offense and defense like alain vignault during his tenure here. go outside the box and look at the swedish league? or recycled coaching carousal.

Core of Pettersson, Hughes, Demko.

 

[ManVanFan]

Worst case scenario if they miss the playoffs.
Alright scenario if you think meaningful games in April means something
Works out perfect if they make the playoffs and get two games of revenue for the owner.

 

[rypper]

Making the playoffs or not doesn't effect if they should re-sign Boeser and Suter.

 

[I am toxic]

If Tocchet leaves and the team tries to just promote Manny Malhotra from Abby, I'm snapping a car antenna off and chasing JR around the room whipping him in the nuts.

Nothing against Manny but that seems like such a canucks move.

This is really tough

Manny will make a great NHL coach, but a lot of things have to still break the right way

Winning a Calder Cup with Abby is one of them

Stepping into a good situation is another

If Hughes leaves and Demko's goaltending is not replicated, and if Petey does not rebound, the team is in a bleak situation, trade wars and rising cap and falling dollar make it all the worse. It would be very Canucks ownership to simply hire alumni for cheap

I think Manny's best path to the most success is to move on to another - up and coming or already successful - org as a "primary" AC, transitioning to HC. He's seen how the Leafs operate, he's familiar with the 'nucks, but experience with a third org could be huge imo

Ultimately I would like to see him as HC of the Canucks, when they are in a good position to compete, and he has already established himself as an HC at the NHL level

as much as he had ties to TO, I feel that the roots he has put down here would trump that

 

[theguardianII]

Making the playoffs or not doesn't effect if they should re-sign Boeser and Suter.

I think the issue is that Allvin does not understand the majority of this market's understanding of hockey.

Signing Boeser would be a marketing signing, keep the fan favorite to draw bums to pay for seats. Not a hockey decision.

Suter would be a good signing even at 3.5 mil a season.

Getting nothing for Boeser and no playoffs puts immense pressure on Allvin to sign him so he does not lose face. That is if Boeser would want to stay after the negativity.

Allvin would not trade him for anything at the TDL so he would not look weak in negotiations, now if Boeser walks, what does that make him look like?

I wonder if one playoff appearance in 9 years, earned and not gifted, erases all the years like this one where trying for the last playoff spot was the only goal of the team? And that was with more top scorers, most of the same core and Demko as a Vezina goalie?
If it wasn't for the shortened season and the NHL expanding opportunity they would not have had any playoffs until last year. In the Covid shortened year they had won only 3 of their last 11 games and were outside of the playoff picture.

 

[Hodgy]

Worst case scenario if they miss the playoffs.
Alright scenario if you think meaningful games in April means something
Works out perfect if they make the playoffs and get two games of revenue for the owner.

They may sign both because they don’t have any better options, but then they are basically bringing back the same group. They’ve got 13.3 million. Take 900k off for Raty, and 1 million for your Forbort replace, and you are down to 11.4 million. And I am not even sure if that’s enough to re-sign both Suter and Boeser for. And you’ve lost Forbort so your PK/blueline is going to take a hit unless one of the young guys can pick up the slack.

A Demko trade could open up some cap space, but frankly, he’s not worth a ton, and 5 million in cap space isn’t going to go far this summer.

The reality is this team is probably going to just continue to struggle to score.

 

[valkynax]

If Tocchet leaves and the team tries to just promote Manny Malhotra from Abby, I'm snapping a car antenna off and chasing JR around the room whipping him in the nuts.

Nothing against Manny but that seems like such a canucks move.

Cars don't have antennas anymore, I'm guessing the new age equivalent would be...you grab that $90 Apple lightning charge cable and whip Moleman in the nuts with that.

Or just chuck a football at his groin and record it, you might end up winning a film award.

 

[Ernie]

They may sign both because they don’t have any better options, but then they are basically bringing back the same group. They’ve got 13.3 million. Take 900k off for Raty, and 1 million for your Forbort replace, and you are down to 11.4 million. And I am not even sure if that’s enough to re-sign both Suter and Boeser for. And you’ve lost Forbort so your PK/blueline is going to take a hit unless one of the young guys can pick up the slack.

A Demko trade could open up some cap space, but frankly, he’s not worth a ton, and 5 million in cap space isn’t going to go far this summer.

The reality is this team is probably going to just continue to struggle to score.

It would be crazy to re-sign Boeser for his reported asking price. He doesn't make the team any better and his new contract would be a huge roadblock to getting better in the future. He's basically DeBrusk at this point but will command a premium because he was more productive early in his career and has a 40 goal season.

Suter should absolutely be the higher priority. He can play anywhere in the lineup and is a key PK forward. The UFA center market is worse than the winger market so they are unlikely to find an upgrade there. He'll be looking for a payday commensurate to his level of play, but he won't demand a premium.

Fun fact: Suter's 5v5 scoring profile is virtually identical to Boeser's over the past 2 seasons despite having significantly worse linemates.

 

[Vector]

Cars don't have antennas anymore, I'm guessing the new age equivalent would be...you grab that $90 Apple lightning charge cable and whip Moleman in the nuts with that.

Or just chuck a football at his groin and record it, you might end up winning a film award.

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There are a weird number of cars with antenna's in the lower mainland. Wouldn't take rypper very long to find one to snap here.

 

[ManVanFan]

It would be crazy to re-sign Boeser for his reported asking price. He doesn't make the team any better and his new contract would be a huge roadblock to getting better in the future. He's basically DeBrusk at this point but will command a premium because he was more productive early in his career and has a 40 goal season.

Suter should absolutely be the higher priority. He can play anywhere in the lineup and is a key PK forward. The UFA center market is worse than the winger market so they are unlikely to find an upgrade there. He'll be looking for a payday commensurate to his level of play, but he won't demand a premium.

Fun fact: Suter's 5v5 scoring profile is virtually identical to Boeser's over the past 2 seasons despite having significantly worse linemates.

Without a center like Horvat or Miller for Boeser, there isn't a real reason to re-sign him.

 

[Ernie]

If Tocchet leaves and the team tries to just promote Manny Malhotra from Abby, I'm snapping a car antenna off and chasing JR around the room whipping him in the nuts.

Nothing against Manny but that seems like such a canucks move.

I don't think they should promote Malhotra to HC but his work should be applauded, he's done a great job in Abbotsford this year. The roster isn't great but team is firmly in playoff position and we are seeing solid development from the team's prospects. Goaltending has been subpar but the team is still +20 on the season. It was a great move bringing him into the organization and I hope they do what it takes to keep him around.