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At first glance and quickly jotting down important RFAs this is the capspace available around the league. People need to start realizing we aint gonna be the finalist for a Bennett or Ehlers or Marner.

ANA - 39
BOS - 34
BUF - 24 - byram, peterka, quinn
CGY - 37 - frost, zary
CAR - 37
CHI - 32
COL - 15
CBJ - 43
DAL - 23
DET - 22
EDM - 20 - bouchard
FLO - 28
LAK - 25
MIN - 30 - rossi
MON - 21
NAS - 16
NJD - 25 - hughes
NYI - 40 - dobson
NYR - 13 - miller
OTT - 25
PHI - 27 - york
PIT - 25
SJS - 44
SEA - 21
STL - 15
TBL - 8
TOR - 27
UTA - 22
VAN - 14
VGK - 8
WAS - 25
WIN - 37 - vilardi​
 
fyi, demko was 2014 so not a complete tragedy.
Yeah that's why I called it mediocre. A pretty deep draft, and we had 6th overall position with you're own picks for the first 3 rounds plus an extra 1st rounder. Getting Demko makes it not a complete loss but considering it took about 7 years for him to have an impact on the team this was the draft we really needed to and could have hit on to have a quicker turn around.
 
At first glance and quickly jotting down important RFAs this is the capspace available around the league. People need to start realizing we aint gonna be the finalist for a Bennett or Ehlers or Marner.

Yes and this isn't really a slight on Vancouver as there's 31 other teams trying to improve and that's only 3 players. It would be a pleasant surprise if we landed one but not likely, management is going to have to get a lot more creative to improve the forward group. And what that could be is impossible to predict.
 
At first glance and quickly jotting down important RFAs this is the capspace available around the league. People need to start realizing we aint gonna be the finalist for a Bennett or Ehlers or Marner.

ANA - 39
BOS - 34
BUF - 24 - byram, peterka, quinn
CGY - 37 - frost, zary
CAR - 37
CHI - 32
COL - 15
CBJ - 43
DAL - 23
DET - 22
EDM - 20 - bouchard
FLO - 28
LAK - 25
MIN - 30 - rossi
MON - 21
NAS - 16
NJD - 25 - hughes
NYI - 40 - dobson
NYR - 13 - miller
OTT - 25
PHI - 27 - york
PIT - 25
SJS - 44
SEA - 21
STL - 15
TBL - 8
TOR - 27
UTA - 22
VAN - 14
VGK - 8
WAS - 25
WIN - 37 - vilardi​
Not everyone is going to spend $95.5M. We are most definitely entering the era of internal cap and it wouldn’t surprise me if we start getting to a point where many teams are actually just trying to get to the cap floor rather than ceiling.

There may be a lot of interest in Ehlers but the size and playoff perception (and stats) will push some teams to another direction. I could see Bennett getting way more than projected but I’d be surprised if we see Ehlers getting $10M+ AAV ($9M AAV is maybe the highest it goes).

He’ll have a choice but we’ve done okay with attacking European players. Wouldn’t surprise me if we’re in the mix.
 
Not everyone is going to spend $95.5M. We are most definitely entering the era of internal cap and it wouldn’t surprise me if we start getting to a point where many teams are actually just trying to get to the cap floor rather than ceiling.

There may be a lot of interest in Ehlers but the size and playoff perception (and stats) will push some teams to another direction. I could see Bennett getting way more than projected but I’d be surprised if we see Ehlers getting $10M+ AAV ($9M AAV is maybe the highest it goes).

He’ll have a choice but we’ve done okay with attacking European players. Wouldn’t surprise me if we’re in the mix.

I'd easily have zero qualms offering Ehlers as high as $8.5M over 6 years. Full NMC. Who knows what he actually gets.
 
I'd easily have zero qualms offering Ehlers as high as $8.5M over 6 years. Full NMC. Who knows what he actually gets.

Boston has 28 million dollars in capspace and basically only Morgan Geekie plus scrubs to sign.

30 yr old Chandler Stephenson just got 7 years last July.

Anyone writing the words 6 years next to these top FA's are being very unrealistic armchair GMs.

Time to turn this into the trade proposal thread cause we aint coming close to any of these top UFAs.

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Having said that, if you can now actually sell EP40 for value at the draft and make sure to do everything but tamper during that trade presser announcing you now have 13.5m to spend on a top UFA, maybe a haul for Petey and a Marner signing rebuilds the team.
 
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Having said that, if you can now actually sell EP40 for value at the draft and make sure to do everything but tamper during that trade presser announcing you now have 13.5m to spend on a top UFA, maybe a haul for Petey and a Marner signing rebuilds the team.

That's the f***ing stupidest plan I've ever heard. Basically trade a center for a winger of similar caliber?

It might just work. But who's playing 1C for us next year I wonder? f***ing Chytil? Nah.
 
That's the f***ing stupidest plan I've ever heard. Basically trade a center for a winger of similar caliber?

It might just work. But who's playing 1C for us next year I wonder? f***ing Chytil? Nah.

We have zero assets to build this team out.

Marner, Kaspar, Danielson, 1st >> Ep40
Marner, Sillinger, DBB, 1st, 2nd >> Ep40
Marner, Peterka, Helenius, 2nd >> Ep40

Then yeah we join the seeking top line center queue.

But now we have some assets to play with.

In the last calendar year every single player we've been linked to has got traded right in front of us because we were not serious bidders.

Id like a serious crack at the next Guentzel, Necas, Cozens, Norris or hell even Rantanen that becomes available.

If I could publically tell Mitch Marner that I just opened 11.6 million and im throwing 13.5 at him, during the EP40 trade presser somehow, even better.

If I could get the haul Boston should have got for their Jumbo Joe, then turn around and sign Savard and Chara instantly, theres a path to being better.

Not every trade is an immediate player for player Rev, I know you remember the iron mike days. Sometimes trades take a couple turns before you land on the final Brad May when you started with Marty G.
 
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We have zero assets to build this team out.

Marner, Kaspar, Danielson, 1st >> Ep40
Marner, Sillinger, DBB, 1st, 2nd >> Ep40
Marner, Peterka, Helenius, 2nd >> Ep40

Then yeah we join the seeking top line center queue.

But now we have some assets to play with.

In the last calendar year every single player we've been linked to has got traded right in front of us because we were not serious bidders.

Id like a serious crack at the next Guentzel, Necas, Cozens, Norris or hell even Rantanen that becomes available.

If I could publically tell Mitch Marner that I just opened 11.6 million and im throwing 13.5 at him, during the EP40 trade presser somehow, even better.

If I could get the haul Boston should have got for their Jumbo Joe, then turn around and sign Savard and Chara instantly, theres a path to being better.

Not every trade is an immediate player for player Rev, I know you remember the iron mike days. Sometimes trades take a couple turns before you land on the final Brad May when you started with Marty G.

Who is winning faceoffs for this club next year?

Blueger's at 50%, which is alright. Chytil can't, Suter can't, I'm drawing some serious blanks on guys who can start us off on the right foot and push the pace in this scenario.

I mean it all looks good on paper, but the games aren't won on paper. They are won on the ice.

I don't disagree with your overarching philosophy, just your means. It makes us a weaker hockey club next year due to classic myopic thinking. It's not the path to re-sign Hughes. It's not the path to winning hockey.

It's a path down a chasm in which we all freeze to death from our own anxieties and the team moves to f***ing Wyoming for all I know.

I'm of the belief that management did the rightest wrong thing by doing f*** all this deadline. Brock's on the chopping block if he turns in more efforts like Calgary and not Winnipeg.

Does that make me sad? Hell ya, I love rooting for Brock. He seems like a great guy who has had to overcome great hardship. Do I think we can win a Cup with him? Brother, I really don't think so.
 
Yeah I think Pettersson is here to stay. No way he’s ever getting moved. Unless you want Blueger in your top 6.

I'll be first to admit he's playing way better.

Also that its even less likely today than it seemed a month ago that we could trade him.

But a part of me will continue to believe this is just a blessing and hes salvaging value for us.

Who is winning faceoffs for this club next year?

Blueger's at 50%, which is alright. Chytil can't, Suter can't, I'm drawing some serious blanks on guys who can start us off on the right foot and push the pace in this scenario.

I mean it all looks good on paper, but the games aren't won on paper. They are won on the ice.

I don't disagree with your overarching philosophy, just your means. It makes us a weaker hockey club next year due to classic myopic thinking. It's not the path to re-sign Hughes. It's not the path to winning hockey.

It's a path down a chasm in which we all freeze to death from our own anxieties and the team moves to f***ing Wyoming for all I know.

I'm of the belief that management did the rightest wrong thing by doing f*** all this deadline. Brock's on the chopping block if he turns in more efforts like Calgary and not Winnipeg.

Does that make me sad? Hell ya, I love rooting for Brock. He seems like a great guy who has had to overcome great hardship. Do I think we can win a Cup with him? Brother, I really don't think so.

You literally recognize how horrible this deadline was and how yet again this franchise just pissed value away and yet you cant fathom a fantasyland where we hedge our bets with a Marner while selling Ep40 for value?!

Marner, Danielson, Kasper, 1st for Ep40 is a pipedream robbery fleecing masterclass and your like "nah we'd be weak at center".

Cmon!
 
You literally recognize how horrible this deadline was and how yet again this franchise just pissed value away and yet you cant fathom a fantasyland where we hedge our bets with a Marner while selling Ep40 for value?!

Marner, Danielson, Kasper, 1st for Ep40 is a pipedream robbery fleecing masterclass and your like "nah we'd be weak at center".

Cmon!

I recognize it, yes. Do I respect it? Also yes.

The biggest splashes are made by the stupidest clubs. Why do you think the Nashville Predators are doing so poorly this season? Who was the most active club during last FA period?

Coincidence?

It's really not rocket appliances.

You can be entertained by hockey two ways - on the ice, or off. I know which one I prefer and this season has NOT been it, dawg.

I don't know why some us fans insisted on choosing to be wow'd off the ice rather than on it. I really don't. Those answers are beyond me, and lies in the heart of human psyche.
 
I don't mean to kill the conversation, just genuinely intrigued if you do have a good punch-back to that.

Wow me on the ice with cohesion, or wow me off it with stupidity. Some of us have gotten too comfortable with being wow'd off the ice in the past decade. Methinks.

I think you already can surmise a guess on what this season has been for me (of the two).
 
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Having said that, if you can now actually sell EP40 for value at the draft and make sure to do everything but tamper during that trade presser announcing you now have 13.5m to spend on a top UFA, maybe a haul for Petey and a Marner signing rebuilds the team.
Uhh... Why would Marner sign here to begin with over Toronto? And then even in the bizarre case he does decide to sign in a different Canadian city, why would he agree to do so after we trade Pettersson, the only center that can hang with him, for futures?
 
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Uhh... Why would Marner sign here to begin with over Toronto? And then even in the bizarre case he does decide to sign in a different Canadian city, why would he agree to do so after we trade Pettersson, the only center that can hang with him, for futures?

A) He'll be away from Paul Marner
B) Is as good as A, at this point in Mitch's mind.

C) re: trading EP40 f*** if I know, we're dealing with just one man's headcanon and not reality. Who's winning faceoffs for Marner? Question still hasn't been answered yet.
 
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Every time i play with fantasy land stuff.. i see some obvious moves we have to make. Let’s say we sign Ehlers, re-sign Pius as a base (and I do think the questions on Ehlers’ playoff performance hold a lot of weight fwiw)

Bare minimum this summer of outgoings has to be one of Garland/Hoglander bc of overlapping skillsets, roles (neither pk, pp) (size) (one’s obviously better than the other but he needs a contract) as well as getting out of the Chytil business.

Ehlers - Pettersson - Sherwood
DeBrusk - ? - Garland
Joshua - Suter - Lekkerimaki
DOC - Blueger - Karlsson

Also really could use another big body in the top six. Who’s also right handed. Like JT miller. Sucks man. All that shit sucks.
 
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I recognize it, yes. Do I respect it? Also yes.

The biggest splashes are made by the stupidest clubs. Why do you think the Nashville Predators are doing so poorly this season? Who was the most active club during last FA period?

Coincidence?

It's really not rocket appliances.

You can be entertained by hockey two ways - on the ice, or off. I know which one I prefer and this season has NOT been it, dawg.

I don't know why some us fans insisted on choosing to be wow'd off the ice rather than on it. I really don't. Those answers are beyond me, and lies in the heart of human psyche.

I don't mean to kill the conversation, just genuinely intrigued if you do have a good punch-back to that.

Wow me on the ice with cohesion, or wow me off it with stupidity. Some of us have gotten too comfortable with being wow'd off the ice in the past decade. Methinks.

I think you already can surmise a guess on what this season has been for me (of the two).

I dont care about your buzzwords like cohesion.

I want a stanley cup.

You say Nashville, I say Washington.

Until Hughes, my team hasnt been able to draft a top 4 defenseman to save their life.

But my buddy is a loooongtime Capitals fan.

One offseason, a team that already had Orlov, Green, Carlson and Alzner added two top 4 defenseman in Orpik and Niskanen on July 1st.

They had Orlov, Green, Carlson and Alzner because they burned it to the ground previously and dealt everyone including Bondra, Lang, Jagr and Gonchar amongst others.

Yet 50 years and my team also cannot do a teardown to save their life.

50 years and we've never been like POOF two more top4 d under the July1 tree.

50 years and no cup.

So imagine my disgust when the Capitals manage to rebuild the entire ****** team yet again, in front of my eyes while my team continues to piss value away left right and center.

The Capitals are run like every Trade Rumors and Discussion board member and they just lapped us yet again.

Strome for free.
Chychrun for free.
Dubois for free.
Thompson for free.

Yet here we are accepting the same bloody JT offer we had available two years ago, Buffalo reporters are writing stories of how they dodged the Ep40 bullet, we are about to let Boeser walk, and Demmer is a shell of a player.

Im tired boss. Im tired of NEVER getting, keeping or building value. Im tired of a team with no picks and no trade bait. Im tired of Dickinson's and Mikhayev's and Heinen's.

I personally, dont believe in Ep40. We havent had a Nate Danielson since Coho. This team is miles away, WITH petey and huggy.

I personally, dont give a **** what Quinn thinks because building an actual contender is more important than appeasing one player, even as great as Huggy. IF we could build a great team, he will stay. That should be the only focus. Not keeping his friends. Not trading for his friends. Just showing we mean business and making a big splash or two.


A) He'll be away from Paul Marner
B) Is as good as A, at this point in Mitch's mind.

C) re: trading EP40 f*** if I know, we're dealing with just one man's headcanon and not reality. Who's winning faceoffs for Marner? Question still hasn't been answered yet.

What's Bowie upto these days.

Raty, Kaspar, 1st for Bowie?

End result Horvat, Marner, Danielson for Ep40?

Cmon Rev the darn GM isnt turning his phone off after a Ep40 trade and taking a year vacation.

Armchair GMs arent trying to trade Petey for 2029 picks so Frankie can save some money.

If you want my full 37 piece Bernmeister/Iron Mike Keenan special i'll have to get back to you.
 
I dont care about your buzzwords like cohesion.

I want a stanley cup.

You say Nashville, I say Washington.

Until Hughes, my team hasnt been able to draft a top 4 defenseman to save their life.

But my buddy is a loooongtime Capitals fan.

One offseason, a team that already had Orlov, Green, Carlson and Alzner added two top 4 defenseman in Orpik and Niskanen on July 1st.

They had Orlov, Green, Carlson and Alzner because they burned it to the ground previously and dealt everyone including Bondra, Lang, Jagr and Gonchar amongst others.

Yet 50 years and my team also cannot do a teardown to save their life.

50 years and we've never been like POOF two more top4 d under the July1 tree.

50 years and no cup.

So imagine my disgust when the Capitals manage to rebuild the entire ****** team yet again, in front of my eyes while my team continues to piss value away left right and center.

The Capitals are run like every Trade Rumors and Discussion board member and they just lapped us yet again.

Strome for free.
Chychrun for free.
Dubois for free.
Thompson for free.

Yet here we are accepting the same bloody JT offer we had available two years ago, Buffalo reporters are writing stories of how they dodged the Ep40 bullet, we are about to let Boeser walk, and Demmer is a shell of a player.

Im tired boss. Im tired of NEVER getting, keeping or building value. Im tired of a team with no picks and no trade bait. Im tired of Dickinson's and Mikhayev's and Heinen's.

I personally, dont believe in Ep40. We havent had a Nate Danielson since Coho. This team is miles away, WITH petey and huggy.

I personally, dont give a **** what Quinn thinks because building an actual contender is more important than appeasing one player, even as great as Huggy. IF we could build a great team, he will stay. That should be the only focus. Not keeping his friends. Not trading for his friends. Just showing we mean business and making a big splash or two.




What's Bowie upto these days.

Raty, Kaspar, 1st for Bowie?

End result Horvat, Marner, Danielson for Ep40?

Cmon Rev the darn GM isnt turning his phone off after a Ep40 trade and taking a year vacation.

Armchair GMs arent trying to trade Petey for 2029 picks so Frankie can save some money.

If you want my full 37 piece Bernmeister/Iron Mike Keenan special i'll have to get back to you.


Now! This some shit I can sink my teeth into finally, thanks Diablo. There's a lot of shit here to bite into, do you mind if I edit maddenignly as my thoughts/feelings change as your post goes on?

Good. Will do. Give me 20 minutes.
 
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Why not cohesion? Every team regardless of its objective needs to have it. You say Washington, I say don't pin your hopes on a unicorn. They have the highest PDO in the league currently, how's that working out for us this season? compared to last? Crickets? I thought so.

My team is your team, don't know why we have any differing opinions other than you started watching earlier/later than I did. I don't have any Capitals friends. Have lots of Leafs friends. Their opinions are almost as bad as mine.

Funny you should mention Orpik and Niskanen...other than Washington you know what they had in common? Pittsburgh....how many Cups did they win on the same team there, I wonder.....OH. Right. Zero.

You'll get the same number of arguments if you say we should have burnt it to the ground around 2013-14 because I was right there, agreeing with you, brother. 50 years no cup, 50 years no cup, yeah...our fanbase is kind of chockful of LOSERS for that fact. We are more comfortable losing comfortably than winning uncomfortably. To a man...sorry.

Why do you think we got offered the same JT offer from 2 years ago, surely you'd assume JT could command more or less value than 2 years ago? Oh he can't be a team player? Never would have guessed that by his demeanour. He was only good for complaining about other teammates who weren't as dialled and as interested in he was in blind f***ing turnovers with passes to no one and no back checking.

Sorry, the guy was a loser dressed in winner's clothes.How the Rangers doing right now? Outside looking in? WOW IM SHOCKED.

Believe in EP40, don't. No skin off my back. I'll be fine. EP40 will be fine, us as a franchise if we manage to run EP40 out of town like did Bure so many years ago? Suspect. Because QH43 is suspect to re-sign in that event. We are effectively killing his career being so reliant on him and not Petey.

I really don't care if you think EP40 is soft, horrible, whatever. I know he isn't. That believe fuels me, and I think it fuels him. But fuel has a nasty habit of running out if you don't look after it.

If you beg a no, you'll get a no. If you beg a yes, you'll get a yes. Just might not be the yes that you want. I know that's difficult for some of y'all to grasp, but to me it's simple. You want EP40 to succeed, he will. You want to be more correct than you want to be wrong, you'll find the very same. That's about as much there is to it.

I could yell that you y'all, but it's up to y'all to truly understand it. I'm just advocating/apologizing on his behalf, and I outright admit to it because I simply believe in the player. Even on his C game, I still like his performance. On his A game, I don't think anyone thinks he's a problem. I will say it tooka long while to find his B game, but I think he's kinda starting to find it based on the Calgary game and a few others recently.
 
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Why not cohesion? Every team regardless of its objective needs to have it. You say Washington, I say don't pin your hopes on a unicorn. They have the highest PDO in the league currently, how's that working out for us this season? compared to last? Crickets? I thought so.

My team is your team, don't know why we have any differing opinions other than you started watching earlier/later than I did. I don't have any Capitals friends. Have lots of Leafs friends. Their opinions are almost as bad as mine.

Funny you should mention Orpik and Niskanen...other than Washington you know what they had in common? Pittsburgh....how many Cups did they win on the same team there, I wonder.....OH. Right. Zero.

You'll get the same number of arguments if you say we should have burnt it to the ground around 2013-14 because I was right there, agreeing with you, brother. 50 years no cup, 50 years no cup, yeah...our fanbase is kind of chockful of LOSERS for that fact. We are more comfortable losing comfortably than winning uncomfortably. To a man...sorry.

Why do you think we got offered the same JT offer from 2 years ago, surely you'd assume JT could command more or less value than 2 years ago? Oh he can't be a team player? Never would have guessed that by his demeanour. He was only good for complaining about other teammates who weren't as dialled and as interested in he was in blind f***ing turnovers with passes to no one and no back checking.

Sorry, the guy was a loser dressed in winner's clothes.How the Rangers doing right now? Outside looking in? WOW IM SHOCKED.

Believe in EP40, don't. No skin off my back. I'll be fine. EP40 will be fine, us as a franchise if we manage to run EP40 out of town like did Bure so many years ago? Suspect. Because QH43 is suspect to re-sign in that event. We are effectively killing his career being so reliant on him and not Petey.

I really don't care if you think EP40 is soft, horrible, whatever. I know he isn't. That believe fuels me, and I think it fuels him. But fuel has a nasty habit of running out if you don't look after it.

If you beg a no, you'll get a no. If you beg a yes, you'll get a yes. Just might not be the yes that you want. I know that's difficult for some of y'all to grasp, but to me it's simple. You want EP40 to succeed, he will. You want to be more correct than you want to be wrong, you'll find the very same. That's about as much there is to it.

I could yell that you y'all, but it's up to y'all to truly understand it. I'm just advocating/apologizing on his behalf, and I outright admit to it because I simply believe in the player. Even on his C game, I still like his performance. On his A game, I don't think anyone thinks he's a problem. I will say it tooka long while to find his B game, but I think he's kinda starting to find it based on the Calgary game and a few others recently.

We've had a variation of this convo before and yet again your right because just wanting to see a cohesive winning team is everything we all hope for.

We just differ on what we both see with our own eyes.

You see the best defender we've ever had. You see the potential for the best forward we've ever had. You just want to win darn it. I respect it.

But then your flipping crazy if you dont see the other 21 souls on this roster who on paper, on the ice, swimming in a cohesive butterfly formation in the pool, anyway you slice it is MILES away from being a contender.

Dude above us just posted a lineup needing the 2nd best UFA available, had a ? at #2 C, didnt have Sam Bennett at #3 like a contender would but instead had Pius Suter, and then still had the worst RW corps of 32 nhl teams.

If we're not gonna blow it up while Aquaman is in charge, and we have a severe lack of assets to improve anywhere, theres only one choice IMO.

Its the same choice im going to continue to harp because it was right a year ago it was right 5 it was right 10 its always been right.

We need to red paperclip until we have the house.

A dollar for 4 quarters.

We suffered through 8 years of Benning bleeding assets and im disgusted that we literally have only two things worth a damn today.

Huggy and Petey and I dont wanna trade Huggy yet.
 
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If we're offer sheeting anyone, it's Luke Hughes.

Up to $11,452,294 and it's a 2 x 1sts, 2nd, and 3rd. But it has to be high enough to make things very difficult for NJ who will have about 14m in cap with a few spors to fill.

Steep price to pay but you're getting a great young defender. Plus it's built in Hughes insurance. Quinn was already going to make more then that on his next deal so it's not like it's throwing the salary hierarchy out of whack.

It doesn't leave you really any room to improve the forward group, but makes a defense for forward trade platable.

(This has been talked about here already, not my original idea. Would JR and PA do an offer sheet?)
 
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