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Having the best prospect pool is only good if those prospects actually graduate into good NHL players. Haha.
TruGr1t
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Forbort's health is certainly the question, believe he's had two groin surgeries and a hand injury recently. When healthy, though, he's basically played similar minutes for the Bruins to what Cole player for us last year (between 17-19 minutes), and has led their top-10 PK alongside Carlo.
My cynicism about Blake and Yzerman has paid off. Both have been very bad when it comes to actually making moves that improve the team.
The funny thing is that I don’t mind Yzerman’s moves up front, for the most part. It’s that there’s the mythology built up around him that people are finally realizing it’s just that.
The teardown version of a rebuild is much easier than the building back up part. Neither of them have shown a knack at that part yet.
The funny thing is that I don’t mind Yzerman’s moves up front, for the most part. It’s that there’s the mythology built up around him that people are finally realizing it’s just that.
The teardown version of a rebuild is much easier than the building back up part. Neither of them have shown a knack at that part yet.
lawrence
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Yzerman doesn't have a Hedman or Stamkos to start with like he did in Tampa. thats a huge difference while Seider and Lucas Raymond are not bad young guys, far from anything of a Stamkos and Hedman. Yzerman similar to Holland. OVERRATED.
Nucker101
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I know it was a different regime but the guy waived to go live in Winnipeg for years. I don’t think he was coming back here unless Allvin paid at least double, probably more
I think this may be he plan anyway. Easier to find an LD than RD, Forbort brings a dependable but redundant skill set, and he’s frequently injured. Canucks have a decent amount of depth on the right side too.
Nah. Good guy but there’s no point. Any addition in defence should be an actual upgrade.
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the faber/fiala trade was fine. at the time he was coming off a pretty unimpressive sophmore year where he had regressed from his freshman performance and the kings had brandt clarke in the same position/role who was coming off an absurd season in the ohl
anyone who thought faber would turn out the better of the two back then would have been in the extreme minority
anyone who thought faber would turn out the better of the two back then would have been in the extreme minority
sting101
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Our D is sorely lacking at the moment.
Not very secure knowing that Myers Soucy is not a very good top 4 pairing and that Forbort Desharnais is bad at hockey but can defend the house and thats about it. Scraping the barrel for barely 3rd pairing and probably not that good at complementing each other as well.
Hronek better not take a step back or were in big trouble and at the moment there is little options but to play Hughes Hronek 25 minutes a night and burn them out
Gonna have to find at least 1 good player that can log 18-20 minutes and hopefully a long term top3 D that can help lock down a 2nd pairing or play with hughes if you move Hronek off that top pair
Not very secure knowing that Myers Soucy is not a very good top 4 pairing and that Forbort Desharnais is bad at hockey but can defend the house and thats about it. Scraping the barrel for barely 3rd pairing and probably not that good at complementing each other as well.
Hronek better not take a step back or were in big trouble and at the moment there is little options but to play Hughes Hronek 25 minutes a night and burn them out
Gonna have to find at least 1 good player that can log 18-20 minutes and hopefully a long term top3 D that can help lock down a 2nd pairing or play with hughes if you move Hronek off that top pair
It depends on the LD - if it's good enough, potentially it can anchor the second pairing. If Vancouver is able to add someone like Sanheim or Gavrikov partway through the year, that would be an extremely strong blueline.
Honestly, D depth is overrated. As I mentioned earlier, the D as it stands today is better than either blueline that just played in the Cup finals. It's also substantially better than any blueline Rutherford ever won a Cup with, in Carolina or Pittsburgh.
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Everyone is aware that we have $250 K in cap space right?
Just who all are you counting on jettisoning to become cap compliant when we haven't even signed Silovs yet.
Just who all are you counting on jettisoning to become cap compliant when we haven't even signed Silovs yet.
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Seems like every other signing is in Carolina.
They're also carrying 14 forwards and 8 defense.
They're also carrying 14 forwards and 8 defense.
mriswith
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A big difference between Virtanen and Hog is that Hog was awesome in his first season here and started his second season red hot as well. He looked like a surefire bet to develop into a top 6 winger. Virtanen was crap his entire tenure except that one unbelievably flukey season.
It took Green's patented "prospect development plan"™ of benching Hog after scoring, benching him after playing well, throwing him on every possible line to avoid any chance of chemistry, and giving him absolutely no feedback or clue as to why he's getting jerked around or punished to crush him. The exact same garbage treatment that led to Garland thinking he had a bad year after putting up a monstrous 50 ES points leading to a slump the next year.
I was really disappointed by him in the playoffs and I'm not against using him as a trade chip for the same reasons as most here and if he gets stuck on the 4th line next year he's not going to score 20 from there again, but I think he still has more upside than we've seen so far.
mriswith
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People love to say this about Yzerman but never have a specific answer for how they could have done better. He inherited a bunch of bad contracts and busts when he took over in 2019, and there are no elite forwards drafted near Detroits picks that they missed. They got screwed by the lottery in their tank years and did the best with what they ended up with. If they get one of Byfield or Stutzle like they should have in 2020 their franchise outlook is tremendously different right now.
Up until 2023. His single biggest mistake in the rebuild was ending the tank right before the 2023 season and a draft class packed with elite talent. He desperately needed to tank one more year and pull one of the four 1C's at the top of the draft but he didn't. But all of the criticism is that Detroit should be better now, not that they should have tanked longer, and that they should have franchise talent by now as if that's the GM's fault when there isn't any that was picked anywhere near their draft slots.
Yzerman should have done what Bill Zito did - use open spots on his roster to audition players with upside. Zito found a bunch of core pieces that way: Verhaeghe, Forsling, Bennett, Montour, etc. Instead Yzerman overpaid a host of declining vets - Copp, Compher, Chiarot, Holl, etc. He put a firm ceiling on what was achievable with his team.
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I think they should’ve done what Chicago did and do a f*** it burn it all down tank. Right now they don’t have that elite talent that is needed to actually compete.
vadim sharifijanov
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this is interesting and i never noticed this before. the two weakest, most star-less cup-winning d corps of my lifetime were both assembled by JR. he has the norris winner obviously, maybe he can collect the hat trick here?
but i’m realizing, after them are this year’s panthers next worse? other candidates are the oilers after coffey was traded, montreal in 93 led by young desjardins, tampa in 2003 led by pavel kubina and pre-all-star dan boyle
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