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[Mr. Canucklehead]

True but if you trade him, assuming it's for futures, you get those assets and the cap space.

Unless every team interested in Boeser is expecting us to take a bad contract with term back, but I doubt that's the case.

We are in the unique position of having the space to take a contract (within reason) if it increases his value.

(I think the likeliest thing is Boeser is a Canuck after this Friday. I think Soucy is the most likely guy to go. And I see us adding a forward - what quality the forward is, not sure)

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

EP for Cozens + Peterka

Flip Cozens + Boeser (50% retained) for Byfield + pick/prospect.

 

[bossram]

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I like some pieces but not the whole deal.

Speed running their transformation into SEA 2.0. The Sea of Mid.

 

[TruGr1t]

I'm ready to vomit when the Boeser 6x$8M contract is announced.

 

[valkynax]

EP for Cozens + Peterka

Flip Cozens + Boeser (50% retained) for Byfield + pick/prospect.

There's no way in hell are we getting Byfield.

 

[MS]

True but if you trade him, assuming it's for futures, you get those assets and the cap space.

Unless every team interested in Boeser is expecting us to take a bad contract with term back, but I doubt that's the case.

The messaging to the team if you trade Boeser for futures when they're sitting in a playoff spot is disastrous. It will move a Quinn Hughes about 3 steps closer to the door.

I hate this sort of loser mentality. People would have been selling Diduck and Craven on the eve of the 1994 playoffs.

 

[Szechwan]

Having Byfield and EP on the same team will give this board an aneurysm trying to figure out who isn't living up to their potential the most.

 

[kanucks25]

We are in the unique position of having the space to take a contract (within reason) if it increases his value.

This management team hasn't really taken on a cap dump yet and I can't see them doing it now. If they trade Boeser they are likely looking to replace his cap with something useful, not a dump.

The messaging to the team if you trade Boeser for futures when they're sitting in a playoff spot is disastrous. It will move a Quinn Hughes about 3 steps closer to the door.

I hate this sort of loser mentality. People would have been selling Diduck and Craven on the eve of the 1994 playoffs.

I don't know, Hughes is not an idiot, he has to know that this team has little chance to do anything in the playoffs even if they make it (is Hughes even healthy?), and being smart at this deadline increases the chances of them doing something real going forward, as early as next season.

I think it depends on the specific situation. For example, if I was Columbus I would not sell Provorov even if that means he walks as a free-agent. I don't think we're in the same boat.

They could also do what they did with Horvat and Miller: flip the futures for a younger NHL player.

 

[Szechwan]

honestly this board should have a futurama memes-only rule

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

There's no way in hell are we getting Byfield.

Not with that attitude!

 

[MS]

I don't know, Hughes is not an idiot, he has to know that this team has little chance to do anything in the playoffs even if they make it (is Hughes even healthy?), and being smart at this deadline increases the chances of them doing something real going forward, as early as next season.

I think it depends on the specific situation. For example, if I was Columbus I would not sell Provorov even if that means he walks as a free-agent. I don't think we're in the same boat.

They could also do what they did with Horvat and Miller: flip the futures for a younger NHL player.

I will absolutely guarantee you that Hughes (and every other player on the team) wants to be in this year's playoffs *desperately* and doesn't believe that the team has 'little chance'.

 

[Szechwan]

I will absolutely guarantee you that Hughes (and every other player on the team) wants to be in this year's playoffs *desperately* and doesn't believe that the team has 'little chance'.

I'm sure they want to be, but Hughes knows he's got an injury that is going to nag the rest of the year. He also knows they don't have a 1C at the moment and likely won't this season. I have my doubts he's expecting a cup, pretty much everything that could go wrong for the team this year, has.

 

[kanucks25]

I will absolutely guarantee you that Hughes (and every other player on the team) wants to be in this year's playoffs *desperately* and doesn't believe that the team has 'little chance'.

And management has to be smart enough not to cater to their stupidity, or we're right back on the Lindenning "have to try to win for the Sedins" track again.

 

[sting101]

If you let Boeser walk, you're 'trading' him for whatever we sign with the $7 million in cap space. In a capped league it isn't like value just disappears and he's getting replaced with a minimum-wage AHLer.

True but if you trade him, assuming it's for futures, you get those assets and the cap space.

Unless every team interested in Boeser is expecting us to take a bad contract with term back, but I doubt that's the case.

Issue is how do you replace those goals if you miss out on Ehlers Rantanen Marner plus add another player who can replace the difference between Miller and Chytil? Are you ok with going to free agency needing 2 players to even become a playoff team? Is this a viable plan considering you just traded a 1st round pick from a non playoff team for a pending UFA defenseman?

Are you going to get better value per goal and increase the efficiency and is it worth the fact it will be another key player eroded from the core group? At what point are we just building a team with other teams misfits? The list of UFAs are all almost all older than Boeser is that a concern

How does this fit with Hughes and the time window till he's UFA

 

[MS]

And management has to be smart enough not to cater to their stupidity, or we're right back on the Lindenning "have to try to win for the Sedins" track again.

There is a reason why basically no team ever in any sport sells when they're sitting in a playoff spot, and it isn't 'stupidity'.

Every time anything like this comes up, the loser mentality of fans and the total ignorance of how sports works just boggles my mind.

 

[Jerry the great]

If you let Boeser walk, you're 'trading' him for whatever we sign with the $7 million in cap space. In a capped league it isn't like value just disappears and he's getting replaced with a minimum-wage AHLer.

if we were firmly in a playoff position, playing well with a legitimate chance to go somewhere beyond the first round this strategy is totally valid. the reality is we are an injury riddled mess with massive holes and would get violated by WPG IF we squeak in.

If we're not extending Boeser, we should be converting him into assets that can be used to try and rebuild something that resembles a foundation....AS well as having the cap space this summer. If the assets, or a portion of can be flipped for a piece that helps now and going forward by all means, pull the trigger. if not, the draft is another opportunity, and a decent time to move picks for immediate help.

 

[ahmon]

Boeser should be traded years ago.

He's not helping us win now. If management actually wants to make the playoffs then you move dead weight and actually get good players to win.

Move Petey to the wing. at least try him with Chytil and see how it goes.

Canucks aren't even making the playoffs if they stand pat

 

[MS]

if we were firmly in a playoff position, playing well with a legitimate chance to go somewhere beyond the first round this strategy is totally valid. the reality is we are an injury riddled mess with massive holes and would get violated by WPG IF we squeak in.

If we're not extending Boeser, we should be converting him into assets that can be used to try and rebuild something that resembles a foundation....AS well as having the cap space this summer. If the assets, or a portion of can be flipped for a piece that helps now and going forward by all means, pull the trigger. if not, the draft is another opportunity, and a decent time to move picks for immediate help.

This is how things work in EA Sports but not in the actual NHL when you're dealing with real money and real people.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

If you let Boeser walk, you're 'trading' him for whatever we sign with the $7 million in cap space. In a capped league it isn't like value just disappears and he's getting replaced with a minimum-wage AHLer.

All fun and games until the players we replace him with have to be moved in a other year because it's a bad value contract.

Im all for keeping Boeser to a team friendly deal but letting him walk would be a massive joke. This team doesn't have any assets and can't afford to lose any more value.

Being ok with him leaving for nothing is the same as being happy we lost Tanev and Toffoli for no reason just to replace them with garbage like Virtanen.

How'd that work out for us?

 

[Orr4Norris]

And management has to be smart enough not to cater to their stupidity, or we're right back on the Lindenning "have to try to win for the Sedins" track again.

This. Getting assets and cap space right now so you can be aggressive at the draft is more important than feelings right now.

The best management teams remove emotion from the equation. All that matters is the Cup.

 

[thecupismine]

The messaging to the team if you trade Boeser for futures when they're sitting in a playoff spot is disastrous. It will move a Quinn Hughes about 3 steps closer to the door.

I hate this sort of loser mentality. People would have been selling Diduck and Craven on the eve of the 1994 playoffs.

If they deal him I fully expect them to flip the assets right away for another piece. The teams form has been disastrous this last stretch, so I wouldn’t be surprised whichever direction they go at this point.

You are right though, it wasn’t like the Canucks dealt Naslund in 2007/2008 for assets, and the cap space was used the following summer to get Demitra (RIP) and eventually Sundin as well. Probably would’ve been nice to have a 1st, but that loser mentality could have seeped into the culture of the room, which could’ve wiped out some of the greatest years in Canucks history.

You think that team fights back from the 8 game loss streak the following year to win the division if they don’t have that experience of fighting and failing before?

People forget the human side of developing a winning team. It’s not some video game where we optimize for total talent - that leads to atrophy of existing talent as the culture ends up toxic as heck. The same people wanting assets are the same that are mad Hughes was playing 25 minutes a game down the stretch in Tocchets first season here, which was massive in him developing into the best dman in the league.

 

[Tinhorn1]

There is a reason why basically no team ever in any sport sells when they're sitting in a playoff spot, and it isn't 'stupidity'.

Every time anything like this comes up, the loser mentality of fans and the total ignorance of how sports works just boggles my mind.

Why make a statement when we can instead make an overstatement. What fans possessing "total ignorance" and a "loser mentality" are saying is, from what I remember, no different from what Jim Rutherford himself was saying just last year with regards to either signing Pettersson before the deadline or trading him.

 

[kanucks25]

There is a reason why basically no team ever in any sport sells when they're sitting in a playoff spot, and it isn't 'stupidity'.

Every time anything like this comes up, the loser mentality of fans and the total ignorance of how sports works just boggles my mind.

Generally I agree with you but with the condition Hughes and Petey are in right now, these are special circumstances.

 

[MS]

All fun and games until the players we replace him with have to be moved in a other year because it's a bad value contract.

Im all for keeping Boeser to a team friendly deal but letting him walk would be a massive joke. This team doesn't have any assets and can't afford to lose any more value.

I will be absolutely f***ing choked if we trade Boeser for magic beans right now. It would be an insane decision for where the team is at.

Again, this sort of mentality absolutely blows my mind.

If we somehow turn Boeser into Lafreniere or something, fair enough. But this team should not (and will not) be trading core players for magic beans when we're sitting in a playoff spot. And it won't be a 'massive joke' when it doesn't happen.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

I will be absolutely f***ing choked if we trade Boeser for magic beans right now. It would be an insane decision for where the team is at.

Again, this sort of mentality absolutely blows my mind.

If we somehow turn Boeser into Lafreniere or something, fair enough. But this team should not (and will not) be trading core players for magic beans when we're sitting in a playoff spot. And it won't be a 'massive joke' when it doesn't happen.

Well then let's sign him? So just to clarify you were ok with Tanev and Toffoli walking to replace them with garbage contracts?

This is the kind of mentality management possesses and is the reason we've had a decade of darkness. Just pissing away value time and time again.