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Keep Hogs, he's been really good the last 10-15 games and is showing his game is coming back. It would be silly to sell low on him, especially when he has 24 goal talent.
krutovsdonut
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yep. it makes some sense if they are indeed burned on rantanan. they are clearly star chasing. having been burned on guentzel they may conclude they have to trade for someone signed longterm and they have been after ep40 for a while. but then there is the play of ep40.
plus, logically rantenan goes the other way and the receiving team has to have him extended.
Demko gets you nothing right now. He had no offseason to train, give him one offseason and see if he can stay healthy and then you make a decision.
Boeser is 100% move. He needs to be one fast team with a set up man to succeed. With Miller gone he is a 20-25 goal player now. On a team that's fast and has a play maker center he's a 40 goal guy
And therein lies why the Canucks don't want to pay him for term, they know their lineup, they know he won't produce like that here
It's fascinating that people think that Brock is going to return a 1st and a good prospect. Do these people watch the games? I can assure you the scouts do and they notice how useless Brock is without Miller. I can't see his return exceeding a 2nd.
ephmrl
5th overall.
Gustav Nyquist just returned a 2nd and he’s on pace for 30 points. There’s several teams who would be willing to trade a 1st for Boeser.
sandwichbird2023
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I really don't think Petey can play the Canes' fast aggressive forechecking system, it's hard to understand why they have so much interest in him still.
The saddest part of this TDL is that the team isn't that far away from competing imo. They are hanging around the WC spots with all that's going on, it's quite impressive. Aside from good health to Hughes, Hronek and maybe Demko, they are really just 1 elite forward away. And we have that player on the roster, he's just not playing like an 11.6m player. Petey is both the team's biggest problem, AND best solution, at the same time. If he plays at even a 90 points pace, we are going to be ok.
I think that's probably what management is thinking too and decide to stand pay this TDL and give Boeser a 8m x 6 contract (bad idea imo) and run it back again next season. It's the safest route.
I don't know if Allvin will be wheeling and dealing this Friday. Last year, he did most of his heavy lifting well before the TDL. And this year has been no different.
But the Canucks do have guys who would attract varying degrees of interest from other teams. Depth defenders like Soucy and Forbort; a scoring winger like Boeser; and some utility forwards like Pius Suter and maybe Blueger, could be in play. What they'd ever get back, is the debating point.
The thing is, if they traded all these guys, and elevated some kids from the farm, I really don't think it makes them all that much worse. It might slightly lessen their playoff chances over the short term. But big picture, the experience some of these youngsters get down the stretch, would really set them up for next season.
But the Canucks do have guys who would attract varying degrees of interest from other teams. Depth defenders like Soucy and Forbort; a scoring winger like Boeser; and some utility forwards like Pius Suter and maybe Blueger, could be in play. What they'd ever get back, is the debating point.
The thing is, if they traded all these guys, and elevated some kids from the farm, I really don't think it makes them all that much worse. It might slightly lessen their playoff chances over the short term. But big picture, the experience some of these youngsters get down the stretch, would really set them up for next season.
PavelBure10
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In a vacuum, yeah maybe. But teams like Columbus are having an anomaly of a year and their goaltending is DREADFUL. Getting a guy like Demko with a proven track record and being able to manage his load with a team that's been winning with Merzlikins in net - I mean, it's a rare opportunity for that organization. Demko's shown to be a vezina level talent - the league will absolutely recognize that, especially when he only costs $5 million.
Simultaneously look at Carolina - Andersen has had serious medical issues and they've made their big swing at Rantanen. They should be doing everything to bolster their line up.
I'd only suggest a Demko trade if management felt Lankinen is there guy, there's uncertainty in the organization when it comes to Demko's ability to stay healthy despite reduced workloads, and they would like to shore up their offense.
It's the classic trade from a position of strength to address a weakness.
If those 2 are our top 6 RW next year then we will fight for a top 10 pick.
rypper
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No clue what Lek will be next year but that’s a huge ask for a rookie.
I love Garland, but he is at his best driving your third line. Much
Ike myers is at his best as your 5D, he can play in your top four for injury or whatever, but he is best as a 5.
Peen
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my personal guess is they're going to re-sign him because they won't get a premium asset they can flip easily.
seems telegraphed that six years is the compromise point. boeser wants to stay, canucks want to keep him. canucks want 4-5 years, boeser obviously seeking 7-8. if they've already offered him the 8x5, my guess is they work it out for the sixth year. they hardcore caved on zadorov from their original 4x4 all the way up to matching that stupid bruins contract.
seems telegraphed that six years is the compromise point. boeser wants to stay, canucks want to keep him. canucks want 4-5 years, boeser obviously seeking 7-8. if they've already offered him the 8x5, my guess is they work it out for the sixth year. they hardcore caved on zadorov from their original 4x4 all the way up to matching that stupid bruins contract.
MarkusNaslund19
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Last year went so well I forgot how many posters have a natural disposition to just quit and bail on the team and its players.
"We should tank".
We're literally in a playoff spot right now with 23 games left.
NOBODY is saying this is a year to trade futures to support this incarnation of the team.
And I think we should trade Boeser. But 'trade everything that isn't nailed down' is just quitter mentality.
"I hope we don't make the playoffs because we'll just get blown out".
Playoffs are valuable experience and also the most fun a lot of players have. If you don't want to watch them, then don't. But we all know you would.
I have literally seen posts of people saying if we try to blow ourselves up maybe we could even pick like top 12 (in a terrible draft). Like, do you enjoy the sport at all or just like buying lottery tickets?
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This year has gone horrifically and we're still currently in the playoffs.
You guys do know that the world isn't ending in June, right? Like this season is a learning experience for this team and making the playoffs through this adversity is meaningful.
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"Trade Petey, I'm tired of him. He makes 11.6 blah blah".
Do you play the stock market? If so, do you have to skip meals and use a rope for a belt?
I'm a big believer in Petey and think he's going to make a lot of people look dumb for wanting to dump him for the disappointing Cozens.
I get he has an NMC coming up. But by what mechanism do you think he's literally never going to be good again?
This isn't Loui Eriksson who has completely lost his legs and is already into his 30's.
This isn't OEL who lost his legs and is in his 30's.
This is an incredibly talented 26 year old who has struggled incredibly due to a confluence of factors.
Injury leading to poor training, combined with likely imposter syndrome due to the contract, combined with dealing with a MAGA moron trying to bully him all season.
Do I wish he could have thrived in spite of all of this? Yes. Has it been incredibly frustrating to watch him struggle to the extent that he has? Yes.
But a good GM holds here unless you learn he has Demko's hips or something.
A Mike Milbury makes an emotional decision and dumps him for a 'good Canadian kid' like Cozens who is so overrated in this market it's hilarious. His career high is basically a bad year for Petey (other than this one) and he sucks defensively and doesn't have much vision.
But posters haven't watched him and aren't angry at him so they want to make the move, which they can then blame Alvin for next season when Petey is back on a 90 point pace and Cozens is struggling to reach 50.
"We should tank".
We're literally in a playoff spot right now with 23 games left.
NOBODY is saying this is a year to trade futures to support this incarnation of the team.
And I think we should trade Boeser. But 'trade everything that isn't nailed down' is just quitter mentality.
"I hope we don't make the playoffs because we'll just get blown out".
Playoffs are valuable experience and also the most fun a lot of players have. If you don't want to watch them, then don't. But we all know you would.
I have literally seen posts of people saying if we try to blow ourselves up maybe we could even pick like top 12 (in a terrible draft). Like, do you enjoy the sport at all or just like buying lottery tickets?
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This year has gone horrifically and we're still currently in the playoffs.
You guys do know that the world isn't ending in June, right? Like this season is a learning experience for this team and making the playoffs through this adversity is meaningful.
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"Trade Petey, I'm tired of him. He makes 11.6 blah blah".
Do you play the stock market? If so, do you have to skip meals and use a rope for a belt?
I'm a big believer in Petey and think he's going to make a lot of people look dumb for wanting to dump him for the disappointing Cozens.
I get he has an NMC coming up. But by what mechanism do you think he's literally never going to be good again?
This isn't Loui Eriksson who has completely lost his legs and is already into his 30's.
This isn't OEL who lost his legs and is in his 30's.
This is an incredibly talented 26 year old who has struggled incredibly due to a confluence of factors.
Injury leading to poor training, combined with likely imposter syndrome due to the contract, combined with dealing with a MAGA moron trying to bully him all season.
Do I wish he could have thrived in spite of all of this? Yes. Has it been incredibly frustrating to watch him struggle to the extent that he has? Yes.
But a good GM holds here unless you learn he has Demko's hips or something.
A Mike Milbury makes an emotional decision and dumps him for a 'good Canadian kid' like Cozens who is so overrated in this market it's hilarious. His career high is basically a bad year for Petey (other than this one) and he sucks defensively and doesn't have much vision.
But posters haven't watched him and aren't angry at him so they want to make the move, which they can then blame Alvin for next season when Petey is back on a 90 point pace and Cozens is struggling to reach 50.
your last 50 posts are identical. We get it. EP is great and and you believe in him. MAGA morons are bad.
MarkusNaslund19
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My last 50 posts are refutations of the same 12 posters seethe posting about how him struggling THIS last game means we need to really trade him.
I said two months ago he's not going to look right until next season. Seeing people act like each new game where he's still skating in mud and can't shoot or trust his body is a sign he 'doesn't care hurr durr 11.6 million' is exhausting and demands a response.
I'm sorry that it's hard for you that I'm not jumping on the whiny bandwagon.
sorry but you are on the whiny bandwagon. you are whining that people are whining about your favorite player. Fans have a right to be upset that our highest paid player appears to not give a flying f*** about playing in Vancouver. Or even playing hockey for that matter. He appears completely checked out. The "whining" will stop when he puts in effort. It's not just about the points it's about the process.
Columbus would probably really want Garland. Evason had lots of small players in Minny that played well.
Peen
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I am better than you all because of my opinion.
Mr. Canucklehead
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Curse you. I thought I had the superior opinion, but alas, it’s you who is mightier.
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