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[Nick Lang]

Here's the full Friedman quote:



Starts at 14:35: The FAN Hockey Show

Basically the usual Friedman hedging but Brough wasn't pulling a Taj here.

So basically Friedman just using common sense like the rest of us. No real news at all.

More like upset at the stupidity of the M.Pettersson trade. If he signs 4-5yrs or less at a reasonable cap hit then i will rescind my anger. But why would he do that? He's got the teams balls in a vice? Was there a reason they couldn't just sign him as a UFA at seasons end and not burn a mid round 1st? Either way it was poorly timed and without a good contract it's a disaster

I get the Miller thing....as much as it hurts to hear our team is a bunch of pansies it had to happen so we could keep Petey happy.

Chytil Mancini 1st is a decent return given the 12-22 range of pick and circumstances. That pick had some serious value to try and get back a quality top6C that meets the age range of Hughes/Pettersson. Chytil is a good stop gap top6 at the right age. Mancini has some RD3 value and was a nice add on given they refused to move off Schneider

Here's the problem and most of you guys are in a whole lot of denial when it comes to how far off this team is now. Our top line is mostly a cruel joke right now as a Contender. To make it stranger people are clamouring for a Boeser trade. The only guy who has looked top line worthy in the last 2 yrs and is younger than M.Pettersson.

M.Pettersson fits what we needed "prior" to trading Miller. Once we moved off Miller the smart play was to accumulate draft picks and futures and use them at max currency at the draft to make a splash for a big fish. 26 or younger not someone close to 30 at his apex of earnings and about to slide as a player.

Chytil is looking like another Brandon Sutter acquisition. You do realize he played 10 games last year? His best year is 45pts and is turning 26.
If you can get some return value and flip him to another team for a better or just more durable player in a package you do it. You're right though why would Buffalo do it unless Cozens contract gives them worries and his status is not all happy and good which might be the case. If so and they think Chytil and Kulich might have some chemistry and the 2yrs vs 7yrs is more attractive you never know especially if you had a couple 1st round picks to dangle and could sweeten the pot with maybe a guy like Hoglander or even O'Connor .

This whole year has reminded me of the Tortz era. Miller is essentially Kesler and the return of Chytil Mancini 1st was essentially Bonino Sbisa 1st.
The 1st that could have been McCann or a good young player was just pissed away on a UFA to be.

Demko has become Luongo. Lots of malcontent rumours and wanting out ground swell. We almost cannot sign him at what he will want so he will head to his Florida and O'Connor is Shawn Matthias.

It's just the same stay competitive dog shit excuse to keep individual players happy. Refusing to accept that your not a real contender and far from it. Refusing to make the Logo the most important thing.

I guess the only silver lining here is we have 3 blue chip prospects and Hughes Pettersson are 25/26 not 33/34 like the Sedins were so a quick retool is a possibility but damn why the hasty decisions to blow that 1st rounder when better more long term solutions will come available

Well I agree on the overall sentiment but surely you knew we were never going to rebuild or make that pick ourselves without trying to turn it into a now player. Obviously, you've seen the plan and the pressure to add a defenseman of this sort all year long.

I agree in the sense that it's a lot to pay for M.Petterson, although he looks to fit like a glove. Exactly what we need, a steady, calm, defensive minute muncher behind #43. I was hoping we could sign him for 4-5 years at just under $6 mil. With the numbers being thrown around I am also a little dicey. It's hard to acquire defenseman though. Easier said then done. The market is fierce. One thing this does is set our D up for the foreseeable future. Not a bad thing if you're intending on trying to win some hockey games.

I also realize this a middle of the road team but I'm in favor of moving Boeser as well. I don't see his contract being any good for our team moving forward. Of course he needs to be replaced somehow. I find there is a big difference between an aging Boeser, and a 29-24 year old M.Petterson. Boeser will age out far quicker imo.

I get you're upset at the state of affairs. That's hockey, it's a struggle but I like that we've turned the corner on the whole debacle after this trade. Upwards and onwards. I hope we continue to get younger and faster. I liked the vibe on the team the other night. At least they played like a group committed to each other.

 

[Vector]

Canucks

• Thinks they will be pretty active between now and March. 7th
• A lot of teams have a very good idea of where they are actually at
• Looking to replace the offense they lost
• Thinks Morgan Frost has higher upside than Filip Chytil

Josh Norris

• Senators have spent most of this season trying to trade him somewhere
• Term, cap hit, and injury history has really scared team off
• One team referred to his shoulder as a “mashed potato”
• If the right deal presented itself, they would be ready and willing to move on

Hughes

• Would say he’s very involved but isn’t giving input on every transaction
• A Miller trade doesn’t happen without a tacit acknowledgement from him, and the entire leadership core, that it was time to move on
• Views him in the same way as Nathan Mackinnon or Connor McDavid although more understated
• Respects the tone that needs to be struck and power that he wields; is very respectful of that with his teammates

Marcus Pettersson

• Could have acquired him at any time over the last two years
• Was at one point untradable
• Is not sold that he will actually help the team that much
• Thinks extending him quickly is the worst thing the Canucks can do
• Just talked to a team that acquired a player in the last couple of weeks and is already questioning that move
• Guesses his next contract will be in the mid-5m range; term will be key

Elias Pettersson

• Can’t just be about the numbers but also eye-test
• Needs to be a play driver; is on the clock; time for him to step up
• Has significant questions marks if he can step up
• We’re a calendar year in and still in evaluation mode; at some point you have your answer

Trades Before the 4 Nations Tournament

• Doesn’t think anything is imminent
• No trades percolating like the Miller situation; Rantanen trade was unexpected
• Nothing jumps out that is going to happen before now and the start of the tournament
• Very curious what the Seattle Kraken are going to do

 

[Peen]

So basically Friedman just using common sense like the rest of us. No real news at all.

it’s different when we make assumptions about it versus when he does.. that means he’s being told it.

his i wonder isn’t the same as vector’s i wonder

 

[Vector]

If you're wondering about his comment about a team acquiring a player and already regretting that decision, here's all the NHLers that have traded teams in the three weeks prior to the Miller & Pettersson trades.

Rantanen (Carolina)
Hall (Caroilna)
Necas (Colorado)
Drury (Colorado)
Perunovich (New York)
Frost (Calgary)
Farabee (Calgary)
Kuzmenko (Philadelphia)
Pelletier (Philadelphia)

 

[aregora]

"I wonder" if that's a reference to Taylor Hall.

 

[Vector]

"I wonder" if that's a reference to Taylor Hall.

That is the first player I thought of as well.

 

[credulous]

If you're wondering about his comment about a team acquiring a player and already regretting that decision, here's all the NHLers that have traded teams in the three weeks prior to the Miller & Pettersson trades.

Rantanen (Carolina)
Hall (Caroilna)
Necas (Colorado)
Drury (Colorado)
Perunovich (New York)
Frost (Calgary)
Farabee (Calgary)
Kuzmenko (Philadelphia)
Pelletier (Philadelphia)

there's no way it's frost, farabee, kuzmenko or pelletier. that trade just happened

 

[wonton15]

The Calgary/Philly one just happened where half the players havent played, and the Perunovich trade was good. Highly doubt it’s Rantanen/Necas who have produced results, so… Taylor Hall?

 

[Vector]

there's no way it's frost, farabee, kuzmenko or pelletier. that trade just happened

Very possible it's Kuzmenko given the Tortorella aspect and Seravalli's a Philly guy. I still don't think it's him, however.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

When will we see a Pettersson goal assisted by Petterson and Petterson?

I wonder which of the Petterson scores first?

 

[Vector]

Martin Necas would be the funniest possibility.

 

[Phrasing]

Not truly interested in any of the rumored centers available. Hopefully this next acquisition is out of left field like Hronek.

 

[Wisp]

TBH Soucy should fetch decent value. The sheer dearth of reliable defensemen helps us here (not enough good defensemen to around thanks to expansion). Big body, good prior track record, light cap hit. Should return a 2nd at least and another pick. Would give them some more assets to go center hunting too.

 

[Curm]

Just talked to a team that acquired a player in the last couple of weeks and is already questioning that move

Would be funny if it was Rantanen, with 1 goal and 2 points in 4 games, and if he wasn't open to an extension.

The Hughes comments are a no-brainer.

 

[Nuckles]

Martin Necas would be the funniest possibility.

I mean everything from Rantanen saying he would have taken a steep discount to MacKinnon being visibly shaken up by it in an interview, maybe there's been some off-ice drama that stemmed from the move.

 

[wonton15]

Not truly interested in any of the rumored centers available. Hopefully this next acquisition is out of left field like Hronek.

Tend to agree, but Josh Norris makes some sort of sense with the Hughes connection and is the sort of bet we might need to make. You can imagine management is sniffing around this, but the cap/injuries is a legitimate deal breaker to me.

 

[God]

I don't think it's Hall, it seems like he's fit in pretty well on Carolina.

I am gonna throw out PO Joseph as a possibility

I also do not like Josh Norris' shoulder described as "mashed potato"

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Marcus Pettersson

• Could have acquired him at any time over the last two years
• Was at one point untradable
• Is not sold that he will actually help the team that much
• Thinks extending him quickly is the worst thing the Canucks can do
• Just talked to a team that acquired a player in the last couple of weeks and is already questioning that move
• Guesses his next contract will be in the mid-5m range; term will be key

That would be a great deal IMO, but Seravalli seems really low on MP, calling him a #5 recently in a different interview. I don't remember him being "untradable", especially with defenseman being so highly valued.

 

[Vector]

I don't think it's Hall, it seems like he's fit in pretty well on Carolina.

I am gonna throw out PO Joseph as a possibility

I also do not like Josh Norris' shoulder described as "mashed potato"

That was more than 3 weeks ago.

 

[God]

That was more than 3 weeks ago.

I was going off of your "last couple of weeks" transcription, did he actually say 3 weeks or did he say a couple of weeks? Couple of weeks could mean a month or two.

 

[Phrasing]

Tend to agree, but Josh Norris makes some sort of sense with the Hughes connection and is the sort of bet we might need to make. You can imagine management is sniffing around this, but the cap/injuries is a legitimate deal breaker to me.

His shoulder is not going to last.

Same reason I’m hesitant on the Chytil acquisition with the Canucks being burned by Poolman and Ferland who both had concussion histories. If anything I’m looking to flip Chytil if not this year then in the off season after maybe squeezing some productivity out of him with an increased role.

 

[Bgav]

I don't think it's Hall, it seems like he's fit in pretty well on Carolina.

I am gonna throw out PO Joseph as a possibility

I also do not like Josh Norris' shoulder described as "mashed potato"

That would be hilarious because he played 4 years in pitts before originally being traded to st louis

 

[Vector]

That would be a great deal IMO, but Seravalli seems really low on MP, calling him a #5 recently in a different interview. I don't remember him being "untradable", especially with defenseman being so highly valued.

He’s just plain wrong about Marcus Pettersson. There are times, some would say frequently, where he has an opinion and is just about as incorrect as a human can get. He’s very loud and confident in being so obviously and provably wrong too.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Canucks

• Thinks they will be pretty active between now and March. 7th
• A lot of teams have a very good idea of where they are actually at
• Looking to replace the offense they lost
• Thinks Morgan Frost has higher upside than Filip Chytil

Josh Norris

• Senators have spent most of this season trying to trade him somewhere
• Term, cap hit, and injury history has really scared team off
• One team referred to his shoulder as a “mashed potato”
• If the right deal presented itself, they would be ready and willing to move on

Hughes

• Would say he’s very involved but isn’t giving input on every transaction
• A Miller trade doesn’t happen without a tacit acknowledgement from him, and the entire leadership core, that it was time to move on
• Views him in the same way as Nathan Mackinnon or Connor McDavid although more understated
• Respects the tone that needs to be struck and power that he wields; is very respectful of that with his teammates

Marcus Pettersson

• Could have acquired him at any time over the last two years
• Was at one point untradable
• Is not sold that he will actually help the team that much
• Thinks extending him quickly is the worst thing the Canucks can do
• Just talked to a team that acquired a player in the last couple of weeks and is already questioning that move
• Guesses his next contract will be in the mid-5m range; term will be key

Elias Pettersson

• Can’t just be about the numbers but also eye-test
• Needs to be a play driver; is on the clock; time for him to step up
• Has significant questions marks if he can step up
• We’re a calendar year in and still in evaluation mode; at some point you have your answer

Trades Before the 4 Nations Tournament

• Doesn’t think anything is imminent
• No trades percolating like the Miller situation; Rantanen trade was unexpected
• Nothing jumps out that is going to happen before now and the start of the tournament
• Very curious what the Seattle Kraken are going to do

Don't really understand his comments on M Pettersson. Sounds like he just isn't a fan of him.

 

[Vector]

I was going off of your "last couple of weeks" transcription, did he actually say 3 weeks or did he say a couple of weeks? Couple of weeks could mean a month or two.

He said last two weeks. I added a third week just as a buffer.