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Agree with the others who mentioned Maccelli as a buy-low reclamation project. Really creative player, could have some chemistry with Petey. Very efficient even-strength scorer prior to tumbling down the lineup this season.

Soucy for Maccelli? Lol. Roughly equal salary, one year left on each deal.

Rocking a 6.5 on ice shooting % and a 974PDO
Usually he's putting up like 2.6-2.9pts/60 at evens and this year he's at 1.5/60

Feels like a very good buy low candidate, and allows us to re-allocate valuable cap from bottom pairing D to potential top 6 playmaker.
 
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Rocking a 6.5 on ice shooting % and a 974PDO
Usually he's putting up like 2.6-2.9pts/60 at evens and this year he's at 1.5/60

Feels like a very good buy low candidate, and allows us to re-allocate valuable cap from bottom pairing D to potential top 6 playmaker.
Yeah, and I pointed out the other day that he’s an elite playmaker on the PP, which the team is sorely lacking with Miller gone.

He’s got a bunch of warts but the one he does well (passing/playmaking) he does exceptionally well. With Chytil/Blueger/Suter up the middle the team could probably use a playmaking winger at even strength too.
 
Here's the full Friedman quote:

The other thing I wanted to mention is that I think Vancouver has made Carson Soucy available. He got scratched the other night and I think they've let people know he might be available. They're just remodelling their defence right now. He's had a tough year but I really like Soucy as a player. I thought he was a really good player for them last year in the playoffs, he had a real presence. We'll see where that goes but I've heard they've made him available.

(on his no trade clause) I think in situations like this it's something the player is aware of. The thing it says to me is that the way they looked the other night there's probably not a lot of room for him. They're probably willing to work with the team and the player to see if there's something out there better for him. What it says to me is that their overall vision is that he's going to get squeezed a bit here.

Starts at 14:35: The FAN Hockey Show

Basically the usual Friedman hedging but Brough wasn't pulling a Taj here.
 
That's what I thought too. They've had all kinds of troubles including injuries early on. Apparently their left side is pretty solid now though with Cole and Matta, although I think Matta is UFA next year. I wonder if a Hoglander swap might be an option. Do you have any views on Macelli's defensive side compared to Hoglander?
I think Hoglander's "work rate" is generally there in all zones on the ice, more whether he knows what he's supposed to be doing. Maccelli is smarter, but he can look lazy at time. Their defensive impacts are pretty similar though.

I don't think UTA would do a swap with Hoglander.
 
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Not a fan of moving Soucy at all before the end of the season unless it's a value added TDL move. I know he's sucked and had his LOL worthy moments this season but he was also overplayed a lot due to Hronek's injury and our lack of depth. We'd be selling him at his lowest value, and would have the exact same problem happen again if one of Hughes/Hronek/MP3 went down for the foreseeable future.

Odds are he can improve playing bottom-pairing minutes or even just with the 4-Nations break.
 
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Trading Soucy to recoup an asset makes a ton of sense, even if the return is mediocre. He has been brutal this season and we have seen that D Petey can handle bottom pairing minutes. Willander is also coming and will need playing time.
 
I think you're in a whole lot of denial here. These notions are absolutely off the wall. They are not going to trade M.Petterson, or Chytil minutes after they just traded for them. Like ... what the f#*k lol? Everyone and their bird knows we're still trying to compete and that's not changing anytime soon. C'mon Sting, you know this. I'm not sure what Chytil for Cozens accomplishes for either club or why Buffalo would do this. Cozens is 2 years younger but ... meh ... why?
More like upset at the stupidity of the M.Pettersson trade. If he signs 4-5yrs or less at a reasonable cap hit then i will rescind my anger. But why would he do that? He's got the teams balls in a vice? Was there a reason they couldn't just sign him as a UFA at seasons end and not burn a mid round 1st? Either way it was poorly timed and without a good contract it's a disaster

I get the Miller thing....as much as it hurts to hear our team is a bunch of pansies it had to happen so we could keep Petey happy.

Chytil Mancini 1st is a decent return given the 12-22 range of pick and circumstances. That pick had some serious value to try and get back a quality top6C that meets the age range of Hughes/Pettersson. Chytil is a good stop gap top6 at the right age. Mancini has some RD3 value and was a nice add on given they refused to move off Schneider

Here's the problem and most of you guys are in a whole lot of denial when it comes to how far off this team is now. Our top line is mostly a cruel joke right now as a Contender. To make it stranger people are clamouring for a Boeser trade. The only guy who has looked top line worthy in the last 2 yrs and is younger than M.Pettersson.

M.Pettersson fits what we needed "prior" to trading Miller. Once we moved off Miller the smart play was to accumulate draft picks and futures and use them at max currency at the draft to make a splash for a big fish. 26 or younger not someone close to 30 at his apex of earnings and about to slide as a player.

Chytil is looking like another Brandon Sutter acquisition. You do realize he played 10 games last year? His best year is 45pts and is turning 26.
If you can get some return value and flip him to another team for a better or just more durable player in a package you do it. You're right though why would Buffalo do it unless Cozens contract gives them worries and his status is not all happy and good which might be the case. If so and they think Chytil and Kulich might have some chemistry and the 2yrs vs 7yrs is more attractive you never know especially if you had a couple 1st round picks to dangle and could sweeten the pot with maybe a guy like Hoglander or even O'Connor .

This whole year has reminded me of the Tortz era. Miller is essentially Kesler and the return of Chytil Mancini 1st was essentially Bonino Sbisa 1st.
The 1st that could have been McCann or a good young player was just pissed away on a UFA to be.

Demko has become Luongo. Lots of malcontent rumours and wanting out ground swell. We almost cannot sign him at what he will want so he will head to his Florida and O'Connor is Shawn Matthias.

It's just the same stay competitive dog shit excuse to keep individual players happy. Refusing to accept that your not a real contender and far from it. Refusing to make the Logo the most important thing.

I guess the only silver lining here is we have 3 blue chip prospects and Hughes Pettersson are 25/26 not 33/34 like the Sedins were so a quick retool is a possibility but damn why the hasty decisions to blow that 1st rounder when better more long term solutions will come available
 
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Not a fan of moving Soucy at all before the end of the season unless it's a value added TDL move. I know he's sucked and had his LOL worthy moments this season but he was also overplayed a lot due to Hronek's injury and our lack of depth. We'd be selling him at his lowest value, and would have the exact same problem happen again if one of Hughes/Hronek/MP3 went down for the foreseeable future.

Odds are he can improve playing bottom-pairing minutes or even just with the 4-Nations break.

Good chance we flip whatever asset we get for him in a package for another player.
 
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More like upset at the stupidity of the M.Pettersson trade. If he signs 4-5yrs or less at a reasonable cap hit then i will rescind my anger. But why would he do that? He's got the teams balls in a vice? Was there a reason they couldn't just sign him as a UFA at seasons end and not burn a mid round 1st? Either way it was poorly timed and without a good contract it's a disaster

I get the Miller thing....as much as it hurts to hear our team is a bunch of pansies it had to happen so we could keep Petey happy.

Chytil Mancini 1st is a decent return given the 12-22 range of pick and circumstances. That pick had some serious value to try and get back a quality top6C that meets the age range of Hughes/Pettersson. Chytil is a good stop gap top6 at the right age. Mancini has some RD3 value and was a nice add on given they refused to move off Schneider

Here's the problem and most of you guys are in a whole lot of denial when it comes to how far off this team is now. Our top line is mostly a cruel joke right now as a Contender. To make it stranger people are clamouring for a Boeser trade. The only guy who has looked top line worthy in the last 2 yrs and is younger than M.Pettersson.

M.Pettersson fits what we needed "prior" to trading Miller. Once we moved off Miller the smart play was to accumulate draft picks and futures and use them at max currency at the draft to make a splash for a big fish. 26 or younger not someone close to 30 at his apex of earnings and about to slide as a player.

Chytil is looking like another Brandon Sutter acquisition. You do realize he played 10 games last year? His best year is 45pts and is turning 26.
If you can get some return value and flip him to another team for a better or just more durable player in a package you do it. You're right though why would Buffalo do it unless Cozens contract gives them worries and his status is not all happy and good which might be the case. If so and they think Chytil and Kulich might have some chemistry and the 2yrs vs 7yrs is more attractive you never know especially if you had a couple 1st round picks to dangle and could sweeten the pot with maybe a guy like Hoglander or even O'Connor .

This whole year has reminded me of the Tortz era. Miller is essentially Kesler and the return of Chytil Mancini 1st was essentially Bonino Sbisa 1st.
The 1st that could have been McCann or a good young player was just pissed away on a UFA to be.

Demko has become Luongo. Lots of malcontent rumours and wanting out ground swell. We almost cannot sign him at what he will want so he will head to his Florida and O'Connor is Shawn Matthias.

It's just the same stay competitive dog shit excuse to keep individual players happy. Refusing to accept that your not a real contender and far from it. Refusing to make the Logo the most important thing.

I guess the only silver lining here is we have 3 blue chip prospects and Hughes Pettersson are 25/26 not 33/34 like the Sedins were so a quick retool is a possibility but damn why the hasty decisions to blow that 1st rounder when better more long term solutions will come available

We had nobody even close to Hughes in 2014. Sedins had already started declining.
 
Yeah, and I pointed out the other day that he’s an elite playmaker on the PP, which the team is sorely lacking with Miller gone.

He’s got a bunch of warts but the one he does well (passing/playmaking) he does exceptionally well. With Chytil/Blueger/Suter up the middle the team could probably use a playmaking winger at even strength too.
He is just soooo soft, and his inability/unwillingness to go to the net would not go over well with our coach. He kind of strikes me a s a guy who performs a lot better in mean nothing games that have no temperature to them.
 
That's what I thought too. They've had all kinds of troubles including injuries early on. Apparently their left side is pretty solid now though with Cole and Matta, although I think Matta is UFA next year. I wonder if a Hoglander swap might be an option. Do you have any views on Macelli's defensive side compared to Hoglander?
If they don't want Soucy, we can always trade him to a contender for a pick/prospect/player, and use that to flip over to Utah for Macelli. It doesn't have to be a direct Soucy-for-Marcelli trade.
 

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