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[bob77]

TDL is the ideal time to trade Soucy as depth D return the most at that time from contenders. If we can somehow convince him to waiver his NTC (I'm shocked he has one to begin with), that would be the best time to do so.

Healthy scratches will convince a guy

 

[Nucker101]

Only angle for Norris is Quinn Hughes BFF, otherwise no thanks. Injury prone and I think the injuries have impacted him as a player even when he does play now.

 

[racerjoe]

His real value would be primarily in that he's BFFs with Quinn Hughes and what it would mean for a Hughes re-signing to have Norris here.

As a player, he has a very similar profile to Brock Boeser so you'd think the thinking would be that you replace Boeser/Boeser's cap space with a younger version, make your captain happy, and then potentially flip Boeser for a bigger asset haul than you spent on Norris.

I can't imagine the cost for Norris would be terribly high given his production relative to contract and his injury history.

I actually really like that idea, and also wonder if we could get Sillinger for Boeser. There has been rumours CBJ is interested in Brock and on the CBJ board it sounds like he is interested play. Of course normal pluses and minus but as a base.

 

[Knight53]

Pettersson/Norris/Chytil is not a stanley cup contending centre core. Would be a waste of assets.

Best play is to get one of the 5-6 top 6 center prospects in this years draft.

Trade Boeser/Debrusk/Soucy for assets. Horde those assets until the offseason. Players will shake loose from teams.

The defence is looking excellent.

Hughes - Willander
EP2 - Hronek
MP3 - Myers

Goalies are great - Demko/Lankinen
Bottom 6 is great

Goal now should be to revamp the entire Top 6.

 

[rypper]

Best play is to get one of the 5-6 top 6 center prospects in this years draft.

And wait 2-3 years for them to be ready.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Josh Norris at $8M and Filip Chytil on the same team would be insane given their injury histories, but it’s probably a type of bet we’ll need to make and hit on

I don’t hate Norris because if you lose Boeser you really have basically Petey and Hughes that are good on the powerplay and then nobody else. He has some value from being good on the powerplay and he is now pk doing a good job. Also, is now playing in a matchup role keeping his head above water.

 

[Hansen]

Pettersson/Norris/Chytil is not a stanley cup contending centre core. Would be a waste of assets.

Best play is to get one of the 5-6 top 6 center prospects in this years draft.

Trade Boeser/Debrusk/Soucy for assets. Horde those assets until the offseason. Players will shake loose from teams.

The defence is looking excellent.

Hughes - Willander
EP2 - Hronek
MP3 - Myers

Goalies are great - Demko/Lankinen
Bottom 6 is great

Goal now should be to revamp the entire Top 6.

Going for top prospects at the draft will cost us Hughes. We arent tanking or rebuilding. Its only win now moves that we can make

 

[Nick Lang]

Would love to be wrong and MP comes in at around $6m per, but with the new cap limit and the scarcity of quality D, as well as the fact we just traded a 1st for him, I think he has all the leverage at this point.

Hope they don't give him too much trade protection. Would be nice to have the option to move on from him after couple seasons, if we need to.

I agree on the leverage aspect. I just hope he's not a greedy dick like Zadorov and looks to negotiate a reasonable salary. Hopefully there is a good rapport with management that helps that out. The numbers people are projecting put in him in the top 30-40 or so range of dman by salary I believe. A little crazy for a steady stay at home defenseman but I guess I'm a 100% more comfortable giving him that kind of cash than a player like Zadorov if it's one or the other.

 

[arttk]

If you believe the internet rumors, he got into a physical altercation (or attempted to) with a member of the coaching staff.

No way to know it's true unless someone involved comes out and says so, but that'll likely never happen. So read my post and then here comes the choo-choo train of a major grain of salt to take with it.

yeah that would never get confirmed, if it's true, it would be too damning and even if true, no player or coach wants to snitch like that.

just file it as internet rumor

 

[Bgav]

Going for top prospects at the draft will cost us Hughes. We arent tanking or rebuilding. Its only win now moves that we can make

You still need top prospects to have a window. They need to be planning for if Quinn stays as well. You need to supplement the team with high end young talent

 

[bob77]

Pettersson/Norris/Chytil is not a stanley cup contending centre core. Would be a waste of assets.

Best play is to get one of the 5-6 top 6 center prospects in this years draft.

Trade Boeser/Debrusk/Soucy for assets. Horde those assets until the offseason. Players will shake loose from teams.

The defence is looking excellent.

Hughes - Willander
EP2 - Hronek
MP3 - Myers

Goalies are great - Demko/Lankinen
Bottom 6 is great

Goal now should be to revamp the entire Top 6.

Sounds like a rebuild, and then the thought of doing so during Quinn prime years. Tough decision though. Arguments can be made both ways. Flip a coin. Sometimes being patient is the right move and waiting to see if some magic in the core appears again. But it’s hard for an average general manager to be patient.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Plus his agent knows we have to do the extension to soften the blow on moving Miller....Kind of like the extension we gave Luongo after we traded for him.

This isn't a battle though, both parties are very familiar and friendly and want to get a deal done, which is why its happening so quickly.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

With the Sens in the playoff mix and likely could use a W, I wonder if there is a basis around Norris for Boeser.

 

[dbaz]

personally i wouldnt be giving up much for an injury prone player in norris whos making 8mil for the next 6yrs. id expect the return to be much less than what miller got and that wasnt ideal.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Also Chytil is here to stay, we're not flipping him or anything of the sort ive read in some posts.

There's way more to what the mgmt team is doing than just stats and contracts, there is a reason to adding MP3s personality and nationality to the dressing room. It's not an accident Chytil & DOC are big and fast, or hronek & Chytil are countrymen.

They're meticulously adding every dollar to an already 12+ million TDL cap space on purpose. (not acquiring cap dumps for first rounders)

Players want to come here, play here, and stay here, and seemingly several willing to take discounts tbh.

 

[arttk]

personally i wouldnt be giving up much for an injury prone player in norris whos making 8mil for the next 6yrs. id expect the return to be much less than what miller got and that wasnt ideal.

players like that are usually not available if there wasn't some warts.

 

[MS]

personally i wouldnt be giving up much for an injury prone player in norris whos making 8mil for the next 6yrs. id expect the return to be much less than what miller got and that wasnt ideal.

I would expect it to be, like, Kudryatsev and a 2nd, or something. Maybe Hoglander involved.

I can't see how a 1st or any of our top 3 prospects would be moving for Norris.

 

[arttk]

Also Chytil is here to stay, we're not flipping him or anything of the sort ive read in some posts.

There's way more to what the mgmt team is doing than just stats and contracts, there is a reason to adding MP3s personality and nationality to the dressing room. It's not an accident Chytil & DOC are big and fast, or hronek & Chytil are countrymen.

They're meticulously adding every dollar to an already 12+ million TDL cap space on purpose. (not acquiring cap dumps for first rounders)

Players want to come here, play here, and stay here, and seemingly several willing to take discounts tbh.

Rehabbing his value and adding an asset to flip for a even better center should not be off the table.

 

[Flik]

This isn't a battle though, both parties are very familiar and friendly and want to get a deal done, which is why its happening so quickly.

Agreed, I think we pulled the trigger on the trade, knowing full well what it would take to extend him and will get that wrapped very soon.

 

[bossram]

Short of signing Marner or Rantanen, there isn't much out there in terms of an elite forward via UFA. Nor are teams really itching of trading U27 guys who are established top liners. The odds of drafting a guy who could develop into an elite forward are slim unless you are picking top 5.

The next best thing is taking flyers on guys who could potentially break out. Norris would have been a last resort addition a year ago....unfortunately, we are sort of in a bind now.

I agree. It's tough to get impact forwards. The most reliable place to find them (for cheap) is the top of the draft.

I don't get Norris though (other than being Hughes' friend). He's not really a guy you hope can "break out". We kinda know what he is. Brass evidently doesn't want to retain Boeser, but IMO he is a better player than Norris.

His real value would be primarily in that he's BFFs with Quinn Hughes and what it would mean for a Hughes re-signing to have Norris here.

As a player, he has a very similar profile to Brock Boeser so you'd think the thinking would be that you replace Boeser/Boeser's cap space with a younger version, make your captain happy, and then potentially flip Boeser for a bigger asset haul than you spent on Norris.

I can't imagine the cost for Norris would be terribly high given his production relative to contract and his injury history.

I think Boeser is a generally better player than Norris. Norris is younger.

If the primary reason to acquire a guy is, "he's friends with Hughes", I dunno, doesn't seem the most sound strategy.

Just build a winning team.

 

[MS]

I think Boeser is a generally better player than Norris. Norris is younger.

If the primary reason to acquire a guy is, "he's friends with Hughes", I dunno, doesn't seem the most sound strategy.

Just build a winning team.

Pre-injuries Norris was tracking better than Boeser. Currently, probably not, although he's still on pace for 31 goals/82 this year.

It might not seem sound but it's a thing that happens all over the league. Keep your stars happy. Look how the Oilers have surrounded McDavid with his buddies or how Ovechkin always has a Russian contingent in Washington and so on.

There is going to be a huge pull in a couple years for Hughes to want to jump to NJ in particular and with a player this fantastic - probably the best player in franchise history - you want to be doing everything possible to sell staying here to him. It's not like Norris is some donkey so if you have to overpay a little bit to fit a guy like this on the roster, it probably makes sense.

 

[pitseleh]

I think Boeser is a generally better player than Norris. Norris is younger.

Though I agree, you’re also probably getting Norris for 2-3 years less than what Boeser will demand too. All else equal I’d take Boeser but Norris from 25-30 is more attractive than Boeser from 28-35. (Though I’d probably avoid both and try for something else.)

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

No interest in Norris at all, aside as a cheap UFA signing this summer if the Senators buy him out.

I'm wondering if Ottawa would be interested in a Pinto-for-Hoglander type swap. Vancouver would have to add, but I can see Hoglander's term being attractive to Ottawa, and of course Green loves the guy.

 

[Slapshot_11]

Why are we trying to get players who can't stay healthy??

Jim Benning 2.0

 

[bossram]

Pre-injuries Norris was tracking better than Boeser. Currently, probably not, although he's still on pace for 31 goals/82 this year.

It might not seem sound but it's a thing that happens all over the league. Keep your stars happy. Look how the Oilers have surrounded McDavid with his buddies or how Ovechkin always has a Russian contingent in Washington and so on.

There is going to be a huge pull in a couple years for Hughes to want to jump to NJ in particular and with a player this fantastic - probably the best player in franchise history - you want to be doing everything possible to sell staying here to him. It's not like Norris is some donkey so if you have to overpay a little bit to fit a guy like this on the roster, it probably makes sense.

Never said he was a donkey. But I disagree that he was ever tracking better than Boeser. Norris has always been more of a pure finisher/PP producer that needs other to create for him. Not a bad player, but I don't think he changes anything.

The main factor for Quinn staying will be whether the Canucks are good and are a semi-realistic contender for the foreseeable future. I think acquiring one of his buddies would have a marginal effect, at best. Making roster moves where that is the main rationale is a mistake, IMO. If the Canucks don't turn it around, he's going to NJ whether Norris is here or not.

The "friend" line of reasoning isn't really far removed from Benning's "good in the room" talk.